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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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He will be a United fan today. Everyone with half a brain in spurs position will want united to win today.

Definitely, if only to keep Arsenal further from Europe :drool:
 
Are you a spurs fan?

Yes - although the short term joy of a europe-less campaign for them would be offset by:
a) The chances that it might force Wenger out (who has kept them reasonably poor for some time now), and/or;
b) The chances that it might help their season to rebuild if they don't have European football to worry about (See Chelsea/Liverpool recently)
 
He will be a United fan today. Everyone with half a brain in spurs position will want united to win today.

Of course. Pochettinho was just showing a bit of wit.
 
Yes - although the short term joy of a europe-less campaign for them would be offset by:
a) The chances that it might force Wenger out (who has kept them reasonably poor for some time now), and/or;
b) The chances that it might help their season to rebuild if they don't have European football to worry about (See Chelsea/Liverpool recently)
That's characteristics of spurs, they would rather see Arsenal fail than them winning the title:lol:
 
That's characteristics of spurs, they would rather see Arsenal fail than them winning the title:lol:

Not necessarily - it would just put a dent in their obsession for a short while. All they seem to hang on to these days is the "Never finished outside of top 4 with Wenger" and the "St Totteringham's" thing.

If the title were more realistic then it would be something to concentrate on, but it's a big stretch for Chelsea to lose a 4 point lead at this stage, even if they do lose today.


Same as last season - we were never in it, and simply gatecrashed the top 4, yet all I ever read is Arsenal fans gloating about how we lost the title????
 
That's characteristics of spurs, they would rather see Arsenal fail than them winning the title:lol:

Is that characteristic of Spurs? Considering that's not what he said or what the majority of our fanbase would think?

Indeed, I can't think of any club other than arsenal that have a name for when they finish above local rivals. Bit of a strange tradition imo
 
Is that characteristic of Spurs? Considering that's not what he said or what the majority of our fanbase would think?

Indeed, I can't think of any club other than arsenal that have a name for when they finish above local rivals. Bit of a strange tradition imo
That was a reply to cjj, first thing he mentioned was that a united win today will decrease Arsenal's chances of top 4 and not your chances of getting closer to the leaders:p
 
He will be a United fan today. Everyone with half a brain in spurs position will want united to win today.

Of course, because he is a Tottenham fan :)

Although I would cheer for United against Chelsea anyway, even if it had nothing to do with Spurs.
 
Not necessarily - it would just put a dent in their obsession for a short while. All they seem to hang on to these days is the "Never finished outside of top 4 with Wenger" and the "St Totteringham's" thing.

If the title were more realistic then it would be something to concentrate on, but it's a big stretch for Chelsea to lose a 4 point lead at this stage, even if they do lose today.


Same as last season - we were never in it, and simply gatecrashed the top 4, yet all I ever read is Arsenal fans gloating about how we lost the title????
Chelsea had a better margin a couple of rounds ago, and considering that you have a better form recently, It was funny that this is the first thing you came up with.
 
Can you explain what specifically you think is the poison and rot in the club? I'm not arguing I'm just interested to hear what you think is the problem.

I could write a paper on this subject, mate. For me it stems back from the last few years of Sir Alex's reign. It was an accumulating set of issues starting from the top that could be papered over by our manager's brilliance, the influence that went into hiring Moyes almost as a point of promoting British managers as opposed to leaving the club in good hands, Gill's departure, again Moyes' suicidal hubris that tore a core backstaff apart and so forth. I will write out my thoughts in full later as it is worth more discussion - Easter celebrations then getting ready for my trip to the UK!

There definitely was a lot of 'rot' going on at Spurs when he took over, easy to forget all the established pro's Poch basically kicked out of the club. He had to almost completely renew the squad, something he did with fringe players, academy players and cheap young players. He immediately sold Dawson, Sigurdsson, Sandro, Livermore, and Naughton, and bought Davies, Alli, Vorm and Dier. After his first season he sold Soldado, Capue, Townsend, Paulinho, Holtby, Kaboul, Lennon, Chiriches and got rid of Adebayor. He bought Alderweireld, Son, Wimmer, Trippier and N'Jie.

These are massive changes, and he has to get a lot of credit for being able to make this transition as quick and seemless as it has been, he also said that his biggest challenge was to change the mentality at Spurs, not something easy to achieve.

Really great points and I don't disagree at all with regards to appreciating what Poch has done. I do also think that Spurs were a perfect platform for him. But there is still a lot of work to be done - correct me if I'm wrong, but perhaps Spurs fans have more patience with him for not beating Leicester to the title last year and their meek CL and then EL performance this season. I don't know how United's fans would have handled that. Could he have easily phased out Rooney in the same way as Soldado? Rooney is a United legend, albeit marred one. It isn't the same type of clearout. Then again, I doubt he would have been as stupidly arrogant as Moyes with his personnel changes. There's also a part of me that sees the lows reached by United as an important part of the newly developing history.
 
I can't see us winning all of the remaining six games as that would be a 13 game winning streak which Arsenal held since 2002 and Chelsea only tied it this year (to be stopped by us :drool:). So that may be too big an ask, but going for 5 of 6 could be a little more realistic. Although still difficult given we've got tricky fixtures coming up.

What that means though is Chelsea would have to drop 3 games and that in itself is a big ask as well.

I'm not sure my head and my heart can take this.
 
I can't see us winning all of the remaining six games as that would be a 13 game winning streak which Arsenal held since 2002 and Chelsea only tied it this year (to be stopped by us :drool:). So that may be too big an ask, but going for 5 of 6 could be a little more realistic. Although still difficult given we've got tricky fixtures coming up.

What that means though is Chelsea would have to drop 3 games and that in itself is a big ask as well.

I'm not sure my head and my heart can take this.

I for one hope you do it, I was banking on Chelsea earlier on but after the plastic twats threw Mourinho under the bus I am firmly in the Spuds camp.

I will endure some Glastonspur gloating for the cause.
 
I for one hope you do it, I was banking on Chelsea earlier on but after the plastic twats threw Mourinho under the bus I am firmly in the Spuds camp.

I will endure some Glastonspur gloating for the cause.
It's odd, but I actually think Glaston would be much more bearable and magnanimous were we to win it.
 
If Spurs league title challenge is over by the time we play them, they better bend over and allow us to thrash them so we get into top 4.

Actually, I think we'll also do well against Spurs because they will come out and play. I think we can also beat them.
 
If Spurs league title challenge is over by the time we play them, they better bend over and allow us to thrash them so we get into top 4.

Actually, I think we'll also do well against Spurs because they will come out and play. I think we can also beat them.

Last season has some what scared me when it comes to this fixture, I know we were well in that game until TFM went off injured but the way they hit us for 6 (well 3) in such a short space of time leaves its mark. I'm a lot more optimistic about the away games to City and Arsenal
 
Last season has some what scared me when it comes to this fixture, I know we were well in that game until TFM went off injured but the way they hit us for 6 (well 3) in such a short space of time leaves its mark. I'm a lot more optimistic about the away games to City and Arsenal
But that was before Mourinho sorted out our defences. Of course we'll lose at some point, but I don't think we'll capitulate like we did sometimes last year.

Likewise, LVG had made our attacking so static and formulaic, it was impossible for his teams to fight back after conceding. Thats not the case with Mourinho teams who share the SAF 'never say die' ethos.

Very different era. Which is even more evidence of the progress we have made.
 
I think those same clubs that sold to Spurs would have held us ransom for the same players because we are Manchester United. Add £5-7 more per head.

Also, David Moyes
Fair point.

Still, it's annoying yet also encouraging to see that a good side can be built without spending vast sums. There's players out there good enough. We just need to identify them.
 
I can't see us winning all of the remaining six games as that would be a 13 game winning streak which Arsenal held since 2002 and Chelsea only tied it this year (to be stopped by us :drool:). So that may be too big an ask, but going for 5 of 6 could be a little more realistic. Although still difficult given we've got tricky fixtures coming up.

What that means though is Chelsea would have to drop 3 games and that in itself is a big ask as well.

I'm not sure my head and my heart can take this.

You won't win all of them, as the big boys are gonna come to North London soon.

Having said that, I would rather you win the PL than those cheating bastards.
 
Fair point.

Still, it's annoying yet also encouraging to see that a good side can be built without spending vast sums. There's players out there good enough. We just need to identify them.

I think it's the manager as much as the players, do you see any other manager in the league doing as well with Spurs as Poch has done in the past 2 years? personally, for me.. I don't think so, If he's ever tempted away we might see a very different Tottenham, despite retaining the same squad and not for the better.
 
I think it's the manager as much as the players, do you see any other manager in the league doing as well with Spurs as Poch has done in the past 2 years? personally, for me.. I don't think so, If he's ever tempted away we might see a very different Tottenham, despite retaining the same squad and not for the better.
The thing about Pochettino is that he shows he can improve players and it's not just a tactical system. Even the players he was with at Southampton showed they could still perform even after he left.

We would undoubtedly take a dip should he ever leave though.
 
The thing about Pochettino is that he shows he can improve players and it's not just a tactical system. Even the players he was with at Southampton showed they could still perform even after he left.

We would undoubtedly take a dip should he ever leave though.

Yep, fair point.
 
Really coming on now ...

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Probably the biggest few weeks of my entire life as a Spurs fan coming up - I'm a mixture of total excitment and utter terror if I'm honest. I really hope the team can continue the fantastic form for the rest of the season and push Chelsea all the way. I will be a bit disappointed if we end this season empty handed at this stage with an (very) outside chance of the first double since 1961. I hope my heart can take it.
 
I'd love Spurs to win. I'll just put 3-4 posters on here for ignore, and I would enjoy them finally winning something.
 
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