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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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Bale Bale Bale said:
All of Spurs' first choice 11 were signed for relatively little:

Lloris £12m

Dier £4m
Alderweireld £11.5m
Vertonghen £10m

Walker £4m
Wanyama £11m
Dembele £15m
Rose £1m

Eriksen £11m
Alli £5m

Kane £0

It's the bigger signings they've struggled with - Sissoko £30m(:wenger:), Soldado £26m, Lamela £26m(came good in the end), Janssen £18m, Paulinho £17m.
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Thats impressive and kind of annoying. Why can't we spend better.
 
Irrational. said:
Great team. They have so many underrated players that put in brilliant performances week after week: Lloris, Walker, Dembele, Son, Eriksen.

Might be an unpopular opinion but I'll just throw this out there. This is as good a Spurs team as it gets, with most of their players in and around their respective peaks. I don't think they can improve on this next season. They've reached the pinnacle that they've been building towards for several years.
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Think they have another level or two if they keep Poch and this group of players together a few more seasons.
 
Look excellent. Think that currently their form is even better than Chelsea's. Good work by Pochettino.
 
balaks said:
Lucky for us games are played on the pitch and not on paper then.
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Definitely. What Poch has done at Spurs is a magnificent achievement. When we look at your spend and our spend, and then compare the performances, it just makes you wonder, how good you guys would've been had you been handed a budget similar to ours.
If Spurs do manage to keep hold of Poch for a long period, it may well become one of the greater managerial stints in recent years
 
anant said:
I'm pretty sure had you said that at the start of the season, people would've ridiculed you. On pitch, the statement is true but on paper, it's not true. Chelsea, City and us have a better XI on paper and possibly Arsenal fans would've claimed the same at the season's start
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Maybe at the start of the season, but that's not now. I thought they'd get top 4 in the poll above. 'On paper' doesn't mean anything but even then it's not true:

Lloris < De Gea (marginal imo)
Walker = Valencia
Alderwiereld > Smalling
Vertonghen > Rojo or others
Rose > Any of our left backs
Dembele < Pogba (mainly on reputation, not on actual PL performances)
Dier/Wanyama > Herrera
Alli > Mkhitaryan
Son < Rashford/Martial ('on paper', but we'd be raving about them if they were producing Son's current level)
Eriksen > Mata
Kane < Ibrahimovic (again marginal given Ibra's age)
 
We've now exceeded our points total from last season, with 6 games to go.
 
Leftback99 said:
Maybe at the start of the season, but that's not now. I thought they'd get top 4 in the poll above. 'On paper' doesn't mean anything but even then it's not true:

Lloris < De Gea (marginal imo)
Walker = Valencia
Alderwiereld > Smalling
Vertonghen > Rojo or others
Rose > Any of our left backs
Dembele < Pogba (mainly on reputation, not on actual PL performances)
Dier/Wanyama > Herrera
Alli > Mkhitaryan
Son < Rashford/Martial ('on paper', but we'd be raving about them if they were producing Son's current level)
Eriksen > Mata
Kane < Ibrahimovic (again marginal given Ibra's age)
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Even I voted that they'd be in top4 but thought it would be at the expense of Chelsea:p. At start of the season, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have said Vertonghen> Bailley, we would've probably even said Rose> Shaw( but just marginally). We might have compared Carrick with Dembele and gone with both being equal because we are biased as shit. We might have also said Eriksen and Mata aren't a lot different (just go to Eriksen's thread or this thread at the beginning of the season and people were saying Eriksen isn't good enough:lol:).
Maybe we do the rating now, it'd be Spurs guy>Utd guy for every case except DDG>Looris(marginal), Walker=Valencia and maybe Dier/Wanyama>=Herrera(marginal)
 
This is the difference between Spurs/Chelsea & us. When they play a lower team they swat them away scoring lots of goals, whereas we dominate proceedings, score a goal, then sit back, & opponents manage to equalise against the play.

Pity Pochettino isn't our manager, as he is similar to Ferguson in how he likes his teams to play.
 
Spurs now have scored the most goals (68) and conceded the fewest (22) in league. They have scored 8 times 4+ goals in PL this season (United - just once). They are the strongest home team as well.
 
Irrational. said:
Great team. They have so many underrated players that put in brilliant performances week after week: Lloris, Walker, Dembele, Son, Eriksen.

Might be an unpopular opinion but I'll just throw this out there. This is as good a Spurs team as it gets, with most of their players in and around their respective peaks. I don't think they can improve on this next season. They've reached the pinnacle that they've been building towards for several years.
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If we could keep some of our key players healthier that would improve us tremendously.

Plus Alli still has possibly several more levels to reach and many are forgetting Harry Winks who I think will become an excellent midfielder for us.
 
Realistically, will this team be torn apart if Poch leaves? At the moment it doesn't seem like any player wants to leave. However, I get the feeling that if Poch goes, we could see an exodus.
 
Traub said:
Realistically, will this team be torn apart if Poch leaves? At the moment it doesn't seem like any player wants to leave. However, I get the feeling that if Poch goes, we could see an exodus.
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Pochettino is definitely the most critical piece.

Would it be torn apart though? Likely not immediately. Too many long term contracts to have an exodus.

Which could then leave us open to hire Poch 2.0 AKA David Wagner.
 
Traub said:
Realistically, will this team be torn apart if Poch leaves? At the moment it doesn't seem like any player wants to leave. However, I get the feeling that if Poch goes, we could see an exodus.
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It'll happen if Poch stays unless they can turn this promise into trophies.

If they can win the league this year or next then they might hang on to the big names. If they don't one of them will leave and there'll be the usual dominoe effect after that.

Sad part of modern football.
 
Football is often unpredictable, especially long term. I don't see anyone leaving this summer, and probably not the season after either since it will be the first season in the new stadium. After that it will probably depend on what situation the club is in.
 
AlwaysRed66 said:
This is the difference between Spurs/Chelsea & us. When they play a lower team they swat them away scoring lots of goals, whereas we dominate proceedings, score a goal, then sit back, & opponents manage to equalise against the play.

Pity Pochettino isn't our manager, as he is similar to Ferguson in how he likes his teams to play.
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Poch has come out and said a few times that he has learned from Fergie's ways.

I like him as a manager a lot. But he was never ready to take over United in its current state. Their collapse in the title run-in last year is evidence of that. Perhaps once we've weeded out the last of the poison and rot in our club. In that sense I don't know too many other managers besides Jose up to that psychological challenge
 
Pochettino is the man. I don't enjoy his Spurs side as much as his Soton one, but he's so impressive regardless. I wanted him to replace Sir Alex in 13/14 which, I admit, was/would've been a stretch, but I think he's the best manager in the league and is on his way to becoming one of the best in the world.

It'll be interesting to see how they cope next year at Wembley.
 
That was realistically our last 'easy' game of the season.

We have two difficult home games left (Arsenal and Man Utd) and four difficult aways (Leicester, Crystal Palace, West Ham and Hull). One, hopefully two games in a neutral venue (Chelsea and City/ Arsenal).

A lot of teams there with lots of different motivations to help us. A defining couple of months for these players and manager.

Also intrigued to see how Poch approaches the semi. Son is on hot form right now but I feel we should go back to the 3-4-2-1 against Chelsea, though Rose will be a huge miss. Harsh but perhaps needs to be done. And Lloris back in goal too please.
 
@bbc5live reporter: "Will you be a Manchester United fan tomorrow?"

Pochettino: "No, I'm always a Tottenham fan."
 
@bbc5live reporter: "Will you be a Manchester United fan tomorrow?"

Pochettino: "No, I'm always a Tottenham fan."

Dynasty building in progress ... :)
 
I can't believe 66.7% voted Spurs won't be in top 4 this season, and I wasn't one of them ;)

They have the quality in their XI not a world class quality but top side quality for PL. Players who can score goals and the best defensive unit in the league. Although, I'm surprised that they are challenging the league right now. Sacrificing both Europa League and Champion League leave them a lot of positive.
 
Mike09 said:
I can't believe 66.7% voted Spurs won't be in top 4 this season, and I wasn't one of them ;)

They have the quality in their XI not a world class quality but top side quality for PL. Players who can score goals and the best defensive unit in the league. Although, I'm surprised that they are challenging the league right now. Sacrificing both Europa League and Champion League leave them a lot of positive.
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The discrepancy used to be larger (closer to 75%) around a month ago, so I guess a few people only voted recently.
 
Sweech said:
The discrepancy used to be larger (closer to 75%) around a month ago, so I guess a few people only voted recently.
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I don't remember when did I vote. I think before you got kicked out from Europa League. But 75% is huge.
 
Sterling Archer said:
Poch has come out and said a few times that he has learned from Fergie's ways.

I like him as a manager a lot. But he was never ready to take over United in its current state. Their collapse in the title run-in last year is evidence of that. Perhaps once we've weeded out the last of the poison and rot in our club. In that sense I don't know too many other managers besides Jose up to that psychological challenge
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Can you explain what specifically you think is the poison and rot in the club? I'm not arguing I'm just interested to hear what you think is the problem.

I kind of agree that our club is plagued atm although I can't quite put my finger on what is causing it and evidently the previous two managers couldn't (or were they adding to it?)

I don't understand how such deep rooted issues can arise from ultimately 11 men trying to kick a leather ball into a net.

I'm starting to think that basically we are relatively shite now because of how good a manager Fergie was and the wonders he did with average players. It's frustrating because we have all the money in the world, history, stadium, fantasy etc and it all looks to be on a slight decline if I'm honest.
 
Sterling Archer said:
Poch has come out and said a few times that he has learned from Fergie's ways.

I like him as a manager a lot. But he was never ready to take over United in its current state. Their collapse in the title run-in last year is evidence of that. Perhaps once we've weeded out the last of the poison and rot in our club. In that sense I don't know too many other managers besides Jose up to that psychological challenge
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There definitely was a lot of 'rot' going on at Spurs when he took over, easy to forget all the established pro's Poch basically kicked out of the club. He had to almost completely renew the squad, something he did with fringe players, academy players and cheap young players. He immediately sold Dawson, Sigurdsson, Sandro, Livermore, and Naughton, and bought Davies, Alli, Vorm and Dier. After his first season he sold Soldado, Capue, Townsend, Paulinho, Holtby, Kaboul, Lennon, Chiriches and got rid of Adebayor. He bought Alderweireld, Son, Wimmer, Trippier and N'Jie.

These are massive changes, and he has to get a lot of credit for being able to make this transition as quick and seemless as it has been, he also said that his biggest challenge was to change the mentality at Spurs, not something easy to achieve.
 
Mike09 said:
I don't remember when did I vote. I think before you got kicked out from Europa League. But 75% is huge.
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The caf is a weird place and I think a lot of votes and sometimes the opinions espoused here are more to do with Glaston and less to do with Spurs.
 
Sweech said:
The caf is a weird place and I think a lot of votes and sometimes the opinions espoused here are more to do with Glaston and less to do with Spurs.
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Why? Because people didn't think Spurs will finish in top 4?

Few Spurs fans predicted Chelsea will finish outside top 4 and one of them predicted they will finish 7th behind Everton. It's prediction based on many things and nothing to do with Glaston.

CAF also predicted Chelsea won't finish in top 4, so is that lot to do with any particular Chelsea fan?

Just check few pages and you see Spurs getting lot of credit for their season.
 
To be fair, as a Spurs fan I predicted Chelsea to finish 6th and Manchester City to finish 5th. Predictions don't always come true.
 
33 % agreeing with a top 4 place for Spurs is huge. What else do people expect, that every single person should sing the same tune, especially on a rival forum. City and Arsenal looked sure bet for two of the four spots. That meant 4 teams were in it for the rest two.
Obviously 2/3 of the people felt Chelsea,us and Pool had a better chance than Spurs. Not exactly an outlandish thing to do.
 
hellohello said:
To be fair, as a Spurs fan I predicted Chelsea to finish 6th and Manchester City to finish 5th. Predictions don't always come true.
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Exactly. How many Spurs would have predicted them to qualify from group stages this season?

Poch did excellent job though, completely transformed the club both in the style of play and mentality.
 
A lot of praise for a team yet to win anything.

That being said, they're heading the right way for sure. Whether they can remain competitive and pay for the new stadium remains to be seen.
 
roonster09 said:
Why? Because people didn't think Spurs will finish in top 4?

Few Spurs fans predicted Chelsea will finish outside top 4 and one of them predicted they will finish 7th behind Everton. It's prediction based on many things and nothing to do with Glaston.

CAF also predicted Chelsea won't finish in top 4, so is that lot to do with any particular Chelsea fan?

Just check few pages and you see Spurs getting lot of credit for their season.
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I don't think it's bold to claim that Glaston influences the opinion people take on Spurs here. Especially when several admit as much.
 
Sweech said:
I don't think it's bold to claim that Glaston influences the opinion people take on Spurs here. Especially when several admit as much.
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It's not bold it's 100% true. He's singlehandedly managed to make dozens of people (me included) despise a football club we'd historically have no bad feelings toward. He's the Pepsi ad of club ambassadors.
 
GlastonSpur said:
@bbc5live reporter: "Will you be a Manchester United fan tomorrow?"

Pochettino: "No, I'm always a Tottenham fan."

Dynasty building in progress ... :)
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He will be a United fan today. Everyone with half a brain in spurs position will want united to win today.
 
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