Spurs could be title challengers next year. Their first 11 is arguably the best in the league. What's frustrating for me is that 3 of their key players Eriksen, Dembele and Alli were available for peanuts at the time and we seemingly weren't in for any of them. Even i could see they were quality before they went to Spurs.
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All of Spurs' first choice 11 were signed for relatively little:
Lloris £12m
Dier £4m
Alderweireld £11.5m
Vertonghen £10m
Walker £4m
Wanyama £11m
Dembele £15m
Rose £1m
Eriksen £11m
Alli £5m
Kane £0
It's the bigger signings they've struggled with - Sissoko £30m(
), Soldado £26m, Lamela £26m(came good in the end), Janssen £18m, Paulinho £17m.https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/13/mauricio-pochettino-tottenham-native-talent
Pochettino say his policy was inspired by Alex Ferguson’s ‘Class of 92’ and ‘Young English players have the same talent as in Argentina, Spain and Brazil’
Dele indeed looks to me as he's the best English prospect last five years, along with Sterling probably so I give him that. Then Kane, Walker, Rose...
Pochettino say his policy was inspired by Alex Ferguson’s ‘Class of 92’ and ‘Young English players have the same talent as in Argentina, Spain and Brazil’
Dele indeed looks to me as he's the best English prospect last five years, along with Sterling probably so I give him that. Then Kane, Walker, Rose...
All of Spurs' first choice 11 were signed for relatively little:
Lloris £12m
Dier £4m
Alderweireld £11.5m
Vertonghen £10m
Walker £4m
Wanyama £11m
Dembele £15m
Rose £1m
Eriksen £11m
Alli £5m
Kane £0
It's the bigger signings they've struggled with - Sissoko £30m(
God dammit I loved Soldado before he came, but he really did struggle. I'm still convinced if he had been in a better team built round him to feed him the balls he needed he couldn't of cut it in the PL, his attitude and determination could never be question we were just a shambles at that time. Janssen I'm willing to give a second season, his performances haven't been terrible but his confidence is rock bottom. Hope he will be like Son and just needs time.
I have no idea why we signed Sissoko I just hope PSG or China come in and allow us to break even. Lamela is a good player and has adapted well (after time) but he's not the player we thought we would be getting. Paulinho was a punt after a very good World Cup.
I've said above there are a multitude of reasons to explain our failures in Europe. Which have ben numerous recently. To boil it down to essentially 'as a team, you're not good enough/ you're not suited to playing in Europe' is just far too simplistic imo.
I've said there is a general correlation between league performance and European ones and you seemed to disagree. Yet, as I said, over the past ten years in the PL:
Man Utd 5
Chelsea 2
Man City 2
Leicester 1
Cl titles: Chelsea 1, Man Utd 1
Finals: Man Utd 2, Chelsea 1, Liverpool 1 (2006/2007)
Semi-finals: Man City 1, Chelsea 3, Man Utd 1, Arsenal 1 (2008/2009), Liverpool 1 (2007/2008).
So surely you can see there is quite a strong correlation between the two most successful clubs and their success in the CL? Nobody is saying other clubs can't do well (ie Leicester now). But as a sustained thing? Don't think so really.
We'll need to see a big improvement in European performances and also a trophy or two imo for this team and Poch to get the credit they deserve (and rightly so). We need to take another step forward now.
Question for Spurs fans. Will Son keep his place in the Spurs team now Kane is back?
All depends, if Poch sticks with 3-4-3 he will be on the bench the 2 behind Kane will be Ali and Eriksen, if he goes back to 4-2-3-1 he will start.
But they are title challengers this year, being title challengers doesn't necessarily mean you have to win the title imo.
Obviously better teams are better suited but there are teams like Liverpool who didn't do better than Arsenal in the league but did better in Europe, Chelsea didn't do better than City in League but did better in Europe.
I'm not saying better teams in league don't perform better in Europe, I'm saying there are lesser teams in League who are more suited to European football sometimes.
Dembele's career was going nowhere before last season and Alli would have suffered same fate as our talented players with change of managers and lack of stability.
Well, the poll has shown the caf up hasn't it. Not only made top 4 but comfortably the 2nd best team in the country.
Oh yeah and all the forums are also shown up for not predicting Leicester winning last season and Chelsea this season.
That's a bit different than predicting we would finish top 4 IMO.
Yep, not least because we're talking the chances for any 1 of 4 positions rather than just top spot.
No it's not.
It was 25/75 at the start of the season up till Christmas. The first few pages are fun reading too in context.
So the chances of Leicester winning the league last season were equivalent to Spurs finishing in the top four? Come on.
Why only Leicester? How many predicted Chelsea to win the league this season? It's not like Spurs were miles ahead of others, they finished in 3rd behind Arsenal and only 4 or 5 points ahead of ManUtd and City. So it's not something outrageous to think Spurs might not finish in top 4 when you consider the changes that happened at other clubs. Obviously things didn't go well as planned, so not sure how that "shows up" caf.
As usual, the majority were dazzled by 'big name' players/managers and by the prospect of big bucks spending. So they end up not properly seeing key factors like squad stability and continuity, the further development of young players and team spirit and cohesion.
No it's not, but then when that does materialise a little humility is in order, and who knows, perhaps even giving them a little bit of credit. Instead you have people who were clearly wrong, ready to be arrogant all over again as soon as they've sifted the goalposts. That's fine if you're goading Glaston, but it can't pass for serious talk.
As usual, the majority were dazzled by 'big name' players/managers and by the prospect of big bucks spending. So they end up not properly seeing key factors like squad stability and continuity, the further development of young players, squad balance, and team spirit and cohesion.
Your whole argument is undone by Chelsea winning the league, team that spent but spent well and started to play as a team much quicker than others.
Spurs gets lot of credit, so not sure what are you on about. It's called "Prediction" for a reason, no one knows what will happen, so people assume and make the posts.
The way some Spurs fans come on here to preach to the Caf about finishing second..
FFS
FFS
The way some Spurs fans come on here to preach to the Caf about finishing second..
FFS
I think they are way too many Orcs on CAF, I mean pretending like ManUtd fans and post only about very few specific teams. Not going to name them but I'm sure there are many.
The way some Spurs fans come on here to preach to the Caf about finishing second..
FFS
Seasons not over just yet...
Besides, we can sit up and enjoy it given we both predicted they'd finish in the Top 4 (I thought it was obvious). We can let posters like Roonster get in a hissy fit given he got it horribly wrong. I'll pass you the popcorn.
If you predict a team to finish outside the top four, but they actually end up second, it means they have outperformed your expectations. Surely, you should then be giving them a bit of credit.
Instead you get 'if you don't win the title you're nothing'. If that's meant to be serious it's stupid. If it's aimed at provoking Glaston then it's mildly amusing.
Seasons not over just yet...
Besides, we can sit up and enjoy it given we both predicted they'd finish in the Top 4 (I thought it was obvious). We can let posters like Roonster get in a hissy fit given he got it horribly wrong. I'll pass you the popcorn.
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I'm sure plenty of posters have given credit to Spurs for their season and like you said few of the posts of that type are just wum attempts.
@The Stain you voted no? I'll provide some football education during the summer. Redskys Excellent Educuation Kourse.
Whoops, messed up the tag. @The Stain
No, because we're talking about top 4 - four places up for grabs - not the league title. The majority just assumed, as usual, that these places would be filled by the big-spending teams with 'big name' players/managers, but they missed several key factors, as I've already said.
And by the way, Chelski haven't won the title yet, even if they're big favourites to do so.
But Chelsea have proved the team that spends big will rise to the top easily and that's what happened again this season. It's taking time for other clubs who haven't invested properly but spending money always helps, proved by the league title winners in all the leagues and also in Europe.
Why does a simple discussion or debate always fall on it's arse .
.Well they never get to see their team win trophies so they need something to cling onto.The way some Spurs fans come on here to preach to the Caf about finishing second..
FFS
Dembelle in!! Needs to score more goals.
Best team in the league
The top 6 places are occupied by the six richest clubs. And 7th occupied by the 7th richest.
It's getting close to the point when i feel no pressure when watching us play at home because i expect us to win. May not seem like much but i cant recall feeling like this in my 35+ years supporting the team.
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