I know Spurs have young team but lack of experience is overplay here. Most of the players are in mid 20s. Only players who can be considered young is Alli and Winks. Players like Lloris, Alde, Vertonghen, Walker, Wanyama, Eriksen have played professional football for so long and have plenty of experience.
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I know Spurs have young team but lack of experience is overplay here. Most of the players are in mid 20s. Only players who can be considered young is Alli and Winks. Players like Lloris, Alde, Vertonghen, Walker, Wanyama, Eriksen have played professional football for so long and have plenty of experience.
I don't think that was getting over aggressive (in the sense that it wasn't a pre meditated tactic). It was a stupid and childish reaction to a bad challenge from a very young player who is still learning to properly control his emotions.
They underestimated the team and that's why they got knocked out. If you don't take the competition seriously then why was first choice GK, FB, CB, CMs, Striker, Attacking mid played the game?
They managed 4 points in 5 games away in Europe this season (A 1-0 win against Moscow in their first Group Stage game and a 0-0 against Leverkusen). Combine that with playing at Wembley for their Home games and it's a recipe for disaster really. There was a really interesting interview with a West Ham player a few weeks ago on Five Live where he spoke about the issues they had playing in a new stadium and on a new pitch. Gave an interesting insight to a players perspective.
I do agree about the Premiership though, I won't bore you into the details (you can ask in PM if you like) but from my research we're the 3rd best League in Europe and Ligue 1 are catching us up fast.
How many of them have played regular top level European football though? Lloris, Toby, Eriksen, etc. all have won things before and have international experience and some european experience at previous clubs but I dont think any of them (apart from Lloris) can you say have genuine top level European experience?
Wanyama, Vertonghen,Walker, Kane all played in Europe and also in major tournaments for their countries.
I think the attitude is probably in part because we've had some strange Spurs fans on here down the years...and Gladstone who's just somehow really irritating and makes you want to argue with him just for the sake of it. Mainly Gladstone, really.
What you've said makes sense though, I guess. I think it helps on here as you generally get a more honest view rather than a bunch of United fans with the same United fan opinion, all agreeing with each other.
I just wondered why so many Spurs fans in particular. We had a spell of there being loads of Chelsea fans too, but that was more when us and them were the two teams going for the league.
Let's be honest. Many of us are also very keen on Tottenham with their football, coach, and how they recently move toward young players & British ones, Arsenal dislike... What is not to like about it when both share this many common interest? Tottenham fans at first would be welcomed with open arm as many of us would want a good discussion to understand more about their team. Then some certain Tottenham fans just went overboard with the welcome & it's getting irritating for even a light hearted discussion to kill time during international break.
Similar thing is happening with certain Chelsea posters. They were all nice & down to earth last season. Now some of them just jump into every discussion forcing their view on everything, even United related. It's no longer fair view in discussion but more argument.
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That is fair enough.
Yeah I think it does enrich the board greatly tbh. Definitely provides a different dynamic to just fans of the same club in a relative echo chamber.
There's definitely a lot more than when I joined in 2010. I think there was only Glaston, me and that mod? back then? Seems to be a lot more now. But actually, come to think, I feel like there's a lot more opposition fans in general on here now? There are Dortmund, Bayern, Juventus, Real, Barcelona, Seville, Atletico, Swansea, Stoke etc etc fans on here now. Not sure if I've forgotten but I feel that is a much wider range than there was before?
I can't say I've ever been quite keen on Tottenham. I preferred it when they were rubbish and funny. Now they're good I find them quite boring (apart from the mini meltdown at the end of last season, which was fun).
I do think Pochettino is a good coach and that they have a good team, but I can't bring myself to either like or dislike them. They're just kind of there...somewhere just slightly too far above us and below Chelsea for me to consider their results relevant.
So you enjoy when teams who don't support lose, just like any other fan.
Nothing unusual about that! Spurs did their best in Europe and Pochettino was still really sad about going out of the Europa league, even more so than the Champions league according to himself in a press conference (I forgot which one). Our failure in Europe wasn't for the lack of trying, but a coming together of a variety of different factors I think, although if people look back at the Gent games it's still unbelievable how we managed to lose that with the control, chances and everything we had.
I find Tottenham interesting just now, a strong first squad capable of beating anyone on a good day.
Add to this an upcoming manager and possibly almost half the England team making watching their progress intriguing. I've also voted for them to be top four and think last season's experience will assist this time around.
Add to this an upcoming manager and possibly almost half the England team making watching their progress intriguing. I've also voted for them to be top four and think last season's experience will assist this time around.
Also must humbly ask what does Wummer mean?
'WUM' stands for Wind up Merchant, which means someone who tries to wind people up, or annoy/ goad them, without the intention of having a serious conversation of any kind at all.
Aha, knew it was going to be something with hindsight that was obvious.
Thanks for kindly elucidating me
Thanks for kindly elucidating me
Gotta love Pochettino
What!? This is just laughable, I'll refrain from using the loathsome green smiley, but mate, that is laughable.
We're 4 points behind 4th with 2 games in hand!
To put it another way - it's actually in our own hands, and this is what players and managers like, for a reason.
I'd rather be in our position that Liverpool's right now, no doubt.
Indeed, great post.
Totally agree with all this too.
I do feel that certain Spurs fans atm are getting way, way ahead of themselves. But that is absolutely correct from Balaks, they've got a great, young first 11, but with other club's financial abilities, Spurs need to win something, anything.
I've said it before many times, and Spurs fans don't like it, but 2 seasons of this good form without winning anything and I really do think some key players will be off - and I'm talking this Summer.
That accusation can be leveled at quite a few teams though.
Look at how United acted in that Chelsea cup defeat. Look at how Chelsea have acted in several games, there's a very good reason they've received numerous warnings from the FA.
So you enjoy when teams who don't support lose, just like any other fan.
Spurs did their best in Europe and Pochettino was still really sad about going out of the Europa league, even more so than the Champions league according to himself in a press conference (I forgot which one). Our failure in Europe wasn't for the lack of trying, but a coming together of a variety of different factors I think, although if people look back at the Gent games it's still unbelievable how we managed to lose that with the control, chances and everything we had.
It wasn't even so much that I like watching Spurs lose. It's just that you always managed to lose in amusing ways...you couldn't just lose 2-0 like a normal team. You have to lose 4-3 after being 3-0 up, or go to Stamford Bridge and attempt to have your entire starting 11 sent off. Tottenham have always been good entertainment when they lose or don't win games.
Arsenal are similar...or were. My favourite one of their games was when they took the lead against Liverpool in the 99th minute of a 90 minute game, and still managed to not win...they somehow conceded a free kick and then a penalty straight from the kick off.They really needed the win so it was treated like the end of the world
Spurs now though just go 3-0 up inside 20 minutes or something, and then win. Or they lose routinely away to a big team. I think two times recently I've tuned into one of your games hoping to see you slip up or for it to be close, and both times you were already 3 or 4-0 up. Annoying and very un Spurs like.
My Spurs mate fan was annoyed with Pochettino in the Champions league because he said he kept resting players. I don't know how true that is. Seemed to me more like the combination of playing at a different ground and just not being used to the different way European teams approach games. I didn't see the Genk games, but United fans definitely know how it feels to not understand how we didn't win a game this season...for us though (or me anyway) it's kind of a refreshing change from last season when instead it was not understanding how we did win.
Spurs fans how do you feel ahead of this game ? Any injuries apart from Kane ? I Want to bet against you today.
Rose is still out, and Lamela for the rest of the season. Janssen has apparently recovered from illness, but I don't think he'll start anyway.
This is a tricky fixture, as Burnley are decent at home and our away record is not great. A draw wouldn't be too bad for us, but I'm hopeful we can nick a win.
I'm expecting a front 3 of Alli, Son and Eriksen, but it will be interesting to see if Poch goes with 3 at the back again ... my guess is yes.
It wasn't even so much that I like watching Spurs lose. It's just that you always managed to lose in amusing ways...you couldn't just lose 2-0 like a normal team. You have to lose 4-3 after being 3-0 up, or go to Stamford Bridge and attempt to have your entire starting 11 sent off. Tottenham have always been good entertainment when they lose or don't win games.
Arsenal are similar...or were. My favourite one of their games was when they took the lead against Liverpool in the 99th minute of a 90 minute game, and still managed to not win...they somehow conceded a free kick and then a penalty straight from the kick off.They really needed the win so it was treated like the end of the world
Spurs now though just go 3-0 up inside 20 minutes or something, and then win. Or they lose routinely away to a big team. I think two times recently I've tuned into one of your games hoping to see you slip up or for it to be close, and both times you were already 3 or 4-0 up. Annoying and very un Spurs like.
My Spurs mate fan was annoyed with Pochettino in the Champions league because he said he kept resting players. I don't know how true that is. Seemed to me more like the combination of playing at a different ground and just not being used to the different way European teams approach games. I didn't see the Genk games, but United fans definitely know how it feels to not understand how we didn't win a game this season...for us though (or me anyway) it's kind of a refreshing change from last season when instead it was not understanding how we did win.
Haha, it's a great compliment to be 'unspurslike' at last. Agree with your assessment, before you never knew what you were gonna get with Spurs. And I could never relax since it was always in the back of my mind that we could mess any result up at any moment. Must have been good entertainment, but as a Spurs fan also frustrating at times.
I personally don't agree with your friend that we went out because of player selection at all. Injuries, current form and Wembley cost us more in the CL. And in the CL, based on all other metrix than the one that matters (goals) we did well in my opinion. Maybe your right in the aaseament that we weren't sure how to break the teams down in Europe etc., but I also feel that if we had a fit Kane, Alderweireld and so on we would have had a much better chance.
The Gent match was different...
What odds are you getting? Rose is also out, and Lamela of course.
However, I think we got too much for Burnley
Burnley don't score many though. It's a scenario where if you can get 2 goals you will most likely win as they'll probably get 1 max. I have you down as a win.
Thanks for the feedback, Burnley at 5.8 was worth a punt !
And that's exactly how it played out.
Burnley definitely caused us a couple problems early although with nothing truly dangerous.
I'm proud of how we did even though we were reduced to a squad consisting of what felt like mostly backups.
I'm not too shabby at this football prediction lark. Had us drawing to West Brom too.
Spurs showing some bottle to fortify their top four place. But it was around this time onwards they caved in so let's see what happens by mid May.
However, got to admire Spurs' tenacity for now.
However, got to admire Spurs' tenacity for now.
Credits where its due. They deserve to be where they are.
Great result for us, this is the exact game we would have stumbled at last season. When you consider Kane has been injured twice this season for a good number of games, likewise with Toby, Jan, Rose and Lamela. Today we lost both Winks and Wanyama in the first have but manager to get the win. Has made the run in a bit more interesting that's for sure if yourselves and City can do us a favour it could be a very exciting last 9 games.
I'm just pissed we have all these injuries before an FA Cup semi-final against a Chelsea side who it feels like haven't had a single injury all season.
Full strength I think we've got enough to beat them, but without Kane, Rose, and potentially Wanyama I'm incredibly pessimistic.
Spurs fans? Can some enlighten me how Janssen has been playing? Even though he doesnt score, I have the feeling that his workrate and general play are quite decent whenever I see some highlights.
And Alli and Eriksen are very good players.
And Alli and Eriksen are very good players.
Kane will be back for that. Don't know about Rose and Wanyama. And course Winks looks very doubtful too.
I agree. He holds the ball up well, has a decent lay-off and works hard - makes life difficult for opposition CBs. If he starts to a score a few more then his confidence will rise and he may go on a bit of spree.
He's only 22 and I hope Poch sticks with him for next season.
7 points behind Chelsea who play City next, who also still have to play us and Everton away, as well as a bunch of teams fighting for relegation.
Spurs are silently winning the games. The feckers are not spectacular, but consistent. It is actually scary how they win consistently games against small and midtable teams.
He's the Dutch Emile Heskey right now. His work rate and hold up play is spectacular, frankly. Unfortunately, that eagerness often means he's not in position to finish moves, and when he is ... his finishing has been quite poor. He worked tirelessly for the first 70 minutes against Burnley yesterday, defending from the front, winning balls constantly and playing Eriksen and Alli in. But when the game opened up, Son was the better choice to have on the pitch - Janssen wouldn't have been in position to finish the chance that made it 2-0 and killed the game off.
Indeed, as opposed to us. That's why they're in with an outside chance of the title and we're in with an outside chance of fourth.
I wouldn't really say his finishing has been poor. He hasn't really had many opportunities. I can only think of two headers he could have done better with. Otherwise all his shots usually brought very good saves from the keepers.
Due to last night's game, Spurs have apparently become the first team in Premier League history to be losing in the 88th minute before going on to win by two goals.
It was one hell of a turn around - my poor dog crapped itself with me shouting so much.
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