You mean like they did for Liverpool?
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You mean like they did for Liverpool?
I think you're right but having seen the latest shots I think the 18 months from now to be ready doesn't seem unrealistic.
Maybe it's negotiating or maybe there are other issues like transport rearing their heads again.
Could you elaborate? To what extent would you expect PL to accommodate for Spurs.
I don't expect them to do anything, however they did help Liverpool with fixture scheduling during their main stand extension.
The shots don't tell the whole story at all.
If you've ever done construction you would know that the structure is the easiest part to put up. It's the part that makes everyone think, "wow this is going up so quickly" and then the real work starts and that's when you get projects that seem to last forever even though the whole building appears to be there.
Steel + concrete = easy
The rest can be very tough.
There's no real way of knowing what the cost is until it's done or what the estimates were.
That said "big London structure costs double the original estimate" is a headline you could read about nearly everything built.
It's a building project that isn't even half done though.
No building project of that size will ever have correct estimates at this point.
In fact I would expect them to increase further, just like every other building project of that magnitude.
Just curious as to what you mean? I'm a building contractor and I'm pretty sure any other contractor would agree that getting the main structure up is the hardest bit. Weather, logistics, workforce (sub contracting) etc, what do you mean by the rest?
Why are there so many Spurs fans on here?
I'm not having a dig. I just find it odd. Even when Spurs weren't a top four team we always seemed to have a few of them about.
I'm not having a dig. I just find it odd. Even when Spurs weren't a top four team we always seemed to have a few of them about.
No idea - I put it down to this just being a fantastic forum not just for Utd fans but for football fans in general and a big part of why it is so great is that you have many fans of other teams on it. That's quite unusual for a football team forum but I guess it's partially because the forum layout and staff are great but also because Utd is such a massive club there is more interest than most other clubs.
My own reasons for being here include all of the above but also I was getting so frustrated reading some of the total dirge being written about my club - by both Utd fans AND Spurs fans I might add that I finally bit the bullet and registered.
Probably a combination of a decently supported team and the Caf being one of the better football forums around, especially for oppo fans.
But yeah, the numbers are increasing now with Spurs being better than us
Because no-one will fund my wall.
I hear a orange faced, strange haired American might be able to advise you on that.
Probably a combination of a decently supported team and the Caf being one of the better football forums around, especially for oppo fans.
But yeah, the numbers are increasing now with Spurs being better than us
I still don't view Spurs as 'better' than us, I know that may seem blinkered, or biased, and I'm of course aware that they're above us by 7 points in the PL (though if we win our game in hand it's 4 points).
But look at their European performance compared to ours, they literally capitulated in both the CL and the EL, getting knocked out by fecking Gent.
We beat them when we last played them in the PL, and like I said above, if we pull it back to 4 points, with a new manager building a new team, while they have carried momentum from last season, and added about 70m on a team that challenged last season - it doesn't look so bad for Utd.
And their squad compared to ours doesn't match up.
With the bonus point that we've managed to win more trophies in the last 10 months than they've won in the last 10 years.
They play far better football than us. They have a much more balanced and consistent (in terms of performances) first eleven and a younger squad. There's a reason why they're 7 points and 15 GD ahead of us.
We do have more trophies than them, that is a fair point. But you could argue that given our league position we've been in a position to challenge for trophies far more than Spurs who were in a title push last year and are/were in a title push this year. The only way we can qualify for the Champions League is to win Europa so it's no surprise that we're taking that competition fairly seriously. Having said that, we've been tripping over the line recently. We probably do have a better squad on paper, but not by much.
I also do believe that Spurs have an issue at club level from fans to players with crossing the line. It's well known that getting the first win is always the hardest and once you crack it, winning becomes a habit. Currently Spurs struggle in this area and until they get that first win it will always weigh them down. I think all other clubs have more experience in this regard (including Liverpool). This is why Spurs imo should be targeting to win the FA Cup, that should be their number 1 priority this season.
We do have more trophies than them, that is a fair point. But you could argue that given our league position we've been in a position to challenge for trophies far more than Spurs who were in a title push last year and are/were in a title push this year. The only way we can qualify for the Champions League is to win Europa so it's no surprise that we're taking that competition fairly seriously. Having said that, we've been tripping over the line recently. We probably do have a better squad on paper, but not by much.
I also do believe that Spurs have an issue at club level from fans to players with crossing the line. It's well known that getting the first win is always the hardest and once you crack it, winning becomes a habit. Currently Spurs struggle in this area and until they get that first win it will always weigh them down. I think all other clubs have more experience in this regard (including Liverpool). This is why Spurs imo should be targeting to win the FA Cup, that should be their number 1 priority this season.
I can't speak for others but I've got a few reasons. This is a good forum with (generally!) good attitudes towards opposition fans, though the atmosphere can be a bit weird towards Spurs fans at times.
I think I post more in the CE than I do in the football forums.
I also am very aware about being ensconced within bubbles. Whether that be football or life in general. There's no point me being a member of s Spurs forum where all I read about is how great the club is. Similarly, most of the people I know have roughly similar political views to me and it is interesting to see and discuss views that are vastly different.
Tbh I enjoy the opinions of opposition fans and like discussing with them, but Christ can some of them be tits.
You make some great points and I agree 100% about the need to win something - anything. The FA cup is extremely important to us this year - imo just as important as us finishing in the top 4 because as you rightly say we need to get to the next level and get a trophy. Then our players will hopefully believe they can win more things, confidence grows and the club can make the next step.
You say that as if United had stopped playing in the league. We were/are trying to win every match to get top 4. Spurs took Europa seriously as well. Did you not see how they played vs Gent/Genk at home?
I think that's just people in general unfortunately.
I've always said I'm not interested in dick waving contests about groups of men kicking a ball around and I'd prefer to just have good discussions based as much on facts as possible. I don't really see why people tr to wind each other up but each to their own I guess.
True but I can't stand the dick-swinging of many fellow Utd fans so it works both ways. Can't tar a couple with all.
I had a discussion with a few posters in the Arsenal thread post Bayern about how entitled and essentially blinkered fans of bigger clubs can be.
We took the League Cup and FA Cup far more seriously than Spurs have Attila as far as I know, pretty sure Poch used both as an excuse to play squad players. Poch took the first leg against Gent seriously, the second leg not so much resting Eriksen and Son in favour of Winks and Sissoko. He did the same in the CL Group stages, I remember him resting Eriksen in favour of Winks and rotated the fullbacks a bit. To my knowledge, he's always done this in Europe with Spurs.
What kind of the defeatist talk is this? We're only 4 points behind Liverpool and have two games in hands. It's hardly a difficult task considering Liverpool's record against lower placed league teams this season.
Also it's wrong to say that(as you seem to imply) the only reason why Spurs aren't competing for other titles is because they're involved in the title race. The reason they lost in the Europa Cup is the reason that they're(or were) not good enough(or experienced enough but they still should be Gent in a two leagued tie) to compete in Europe right now. Any other reason is just making excuses for them.
The experience point is very valid - as a club we are still relatively new to European football and many of our players are also pretty new to it. I remember Utd taking a few seasons to really get to grips with top European competition and I think the same is true of us currently. As other posters have said we really, really need to win something to get the ball rolling and the FA cup this year is our best chance.
They played full strength team in the second leg except Rose, I think he was injured.
2nd leg team vs Gent
Tottenham Hotspur Lloris, Walker, Dier, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Davies, Wanyama, Dembele, Eriksen, Dele, Kane.
Substitutes Vorm, Wimmer, Trippier, Winks, Sissoko, Son, Janssen.
1st Leg team
Tottenham Hotspur: Lloris, Walker, Alderweireld, Dier, Davies, Wanyama, Dembele, Sissoko, Alli, Winks, Kane. Subs: Vorm, Son, Nkoudou, Trippier, Eriksen, Onomah, Wimmer.
You don't play your full team in the 2nd leg if you aren't taking it seriously. I imagine he rested Eriksen and Son because he would expect that team to be strong enough to beat Gent away. I think Rose was injured during this time so it was the first choice fullbacks
I didn't watch most of their CL group stage matches....why would he rest the fullbacks and Eriksen for Winks in them? Whats the point in trying so hard to get CL football if you arent going to take the CL seriously. That can't be right
Yeah was getting the legs the wrong way round. The first leg they didn't take seriously playing Winks and Sissoko (missing Rose through injury).
So only 2 players didn't play, that doesn't look like not taking seriously tbh. Maybe they underestimated the opponent and tried to overturn the deficit at home.
I get your point about experience. But I don't buy it. Gent were 7th at that time in the Belgium League, Spurs should've swatted them around(or at least defeated them) instead of being eliminated by them.
It's only the English clubs that talk about lack of experience in Europe, Guardiola was moaning about it inspite of being knocked out by a very young European team.
We got absolutely played off the park in some of our CL group games, in particular by Monaco who really taught us a lesson. We simply arent good enough yet to compete at the highest European level - we will get there though I think.
I honestly do put it down to not only lack of experience at the highest level in Europe but also a lack of experience in general for several of our players. We werent good enough to beat Gent over the two legs, thats the reality of it. Not sure if its the standard of the Premiership in general that is poor and that we overrate our own teams but Gent deserved to beat us.
I think it's two factors. The standard of Premiership is poor plus also the fact that maybe some of the players took that tie for granted and got complacent.
Complacency is linked to a lack of experience though imo - they need to learn to take these teams seriously and fingers crossed with that defeat it was a hard lesson learned.
They surely will I think. Pochettino is one of the brighest minds in the game, and I think there's low chance of the Gent debacle happening next season.
He does need some help in recruitment though, his signings record at Spurs has been far from impressive. Coaching wise he's probably the best in the league, so that covers it up nicely.
Resting your best player (imo) in Eriksen and replacing him with a youngster is imo not taking it seriously. That's the move you make when you have won the first leg convincingly and can afford to take a few risks and rest some of your players. To be fair, they also got knocked out in the 2nd leg due to Alli being an idiot and getting a Red Card. This is something we know all about at United, thats the beauty of knockout football.
European football is where Pochettino has shown himself to be inexperienced. Spurs have struggled to replicate their Domestic form in Europe under him and have at times looked overwhelmed. This leads me back to my original point about their mentality. That for me is by far the greatest weakness, as demonstrated by the fact that in 19 away games this season they've only won 6. Which again shows how stupid it was to head over to Gent and play a weakened team given they know that their Away form isn't great.
Getting over aggressive when things aren't going their way doesn't help. They probably would have went through if it wasn't for that Delle Alli ridiculous tackle.
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