Spurs already are a big club .... as reflected (for example) in the new stadium complex under construction and the fact that income-wise Spurs will shortly enter the top 10 globally.
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Spurs already are a big club .... as reflected (for example) in the new stadium complex under construction and the fact that income-wise Spurs will shortly enter the top 10 globally.
Tbf it didn't bring any success to Spurs also. The achievement that you are celebrating is exactly the achievement that is looked down by Arsenal fans.
Spurs: Top 4 finish + KOed in group stages + KOed by Gent in Europa + 0 trophies + Stadium is in construction
Arsenal: Top 4 finish + Qualified from group stages + Recent FA cup wins + Stadium is already completed.
Size of the clubs is different but winning something is success IMO.
You ducked my question.
As for yours, I've already said that playing at Wembley (instead of WHL) and inexperience go a long way to explaining our European failings.
We're only 3 years into Pochs tenure and I'm not really celebrating anything. I'm just happy right now that we seem to have taken the next step in our development.
I have already said this to @balaks. Inexperience is the easiest excuse used for failures. All your defenders played at highest level for years. Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Lloris have played in CL before and all the back 5 players play for their national teams and in major tournaments.
Yeah Poch has done superb job, no denying that but unless they win something it's hard to call it as success.
i don't understand your argument here, football is football it doesn't follow a pattern. I mean look at your squad right now. You have a manager who has won everything, a centre forward who has won everything and international stars everywhere. Why is United struggling to win games?
Fully agree.
For example United shell out mega bucks for Shaw and then pay him big wages, and all this before he's even proved himself worthy. It's been a similar story with Martial and more recently with Lingard (who is now on a 100k per week!) Is it any surprise that the energy and commitment levels within the United squad are far lower compared to Spurs?
I'd 1000 times more rather see the likes of Harry Winks drive Spurs forward as compared to shelling out utterly ridiculous sums (fee + wages) on the likes of Pogba, who jogs about the pitch thinking about his next hair styling appointment.
I see it as a success in terms that since Poch took over he has dramatically improved us as a team and year on year has improved our results. I totally agree that if we are still in the same position in 2 seasons time with no silverware then il start to worry.
Having said that the end of the day there are only so many domestic trophies to be won and the luck of the draw has a lot to do with any cup run. There are much wealthier clubs than us who can payroll more wstablished players so personally as long as we're competing and I'm entertained I'm very happy for the mean time.
Lamela, Eriksen, Wanyama, Dembele, Kane and Alli only has two top notch players, that's more important than the back line.
How are you defining top notch and what exactly do you mean?
Not sure what your point is. I was replying to the post asking "how many in europe have better back 5", if it's so good you would have qualified from the group. I didn't say ManUtd are best or among the best.
Fair enough.
Amazing comment based on nothing but another attempt at winding up. Congrats!
Again you've ducked my question ... I'm still waiting to hear about all these many European teams with a back 5 that's collectively better than Lloris, Walker, Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Rose.
As for your comment, Alderweireld (etc) may have some CL experience, but many others in our best XI do not, even if the best XI were available to pick. And in any case, I mentioned the Wembley factor predominantly.
Spurs are 2nd in the league table for a reason. Your argument is not credible, because its basic premise is that many European teams are better than the best 2 or 3 teams in the Prem. I don't buy it.
It's actually based on two things: 1) His casual jogging about the pitch; and 2) his ever changing hair-style.
6th biggest club in England. The gap between spurs and pool will only be bridged by real on field success, which obviously leads to commercial success. A new stadium helps but you guys are 92million quid away and that alone wont be enough.
Who cares whether you buy it or not. Spurs defense did well in the league but didn't in the Europe.
Teams that have conceded as many or less goals than Spurs in CL: Arsenal, Dynamo Kyiv, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Bayern, Leverkusen, Juventus, Sevilla, Lyon, Leicester, Copenhagen.
So pick your choice.
Kane, Alli level players. Surely you can see that the rest in that front 6 are a level below them?
So, based on these two things you came up to the conclusion that his only thoughts are about changing the hair style? Don't be ridiculousHave you seen the PL teams effort in the CL the last few years?
The PL is weak.
The only PL club in the top 10 rankings is Chelsea.
Rankings are done over 5 years so it's a pretty good guide.
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2017.html
So what?
He creates more chances than Dembele and Wanyama combined (52 vs 48),
scored more goals than Dembele and Wanyama combined (4 vs 2),
assists more than Dembele and Wanyama combined (3 vs 1)
wins more aerial duels than Dembele and Wanyama combined (2.71 per 90mins vs 2.6 per game)
Wins as many duels per 90 mins as Wanyama (1.45 tackles and 1.57 Interceptions vs 1.96+1.14)
Yeah Jogging Pogba out performs Spurs midfield.
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Why you bring United back into things?
We love Pogba as he's a homegrown youth product. Like Lingard and Rashford.
Here's you contracting your own argument. You claim that Spurs need to improve their first XI in order to do well in Europe. Then you cite Leicester as an example of a team that's done well in Europe.
I guess you must believe that Leicester's first XI is better than that at Spurs
Here's you contracting your own argument. You claim that Spurs need to improve their first XI in order to do well in Europe. Then you cite Leicester as an example of a team that's done well in Europe.
I guess you must believe that Leicester's first XI is better than that at Spurs
I didn't contradict, Leicester have done well in Europe than Spurs. It's not even worth arguing.
I'm not arguing that Leicester haven't done well. This was perfectly clear from my post.
I'm saying the fact that Leicester have done well blows apart your silly claim that Spurs can only do well in Europe if we improve our first XI.
I was replying to a Spurs fan who cited United.
Pogba is a "home grown" who spent years in Italy and then cost you almost as much as the entire cost of Spurs first XI. He's a prime example of precisely how Spurs should not be proceeding.
I didn't said that directly, maybe it was implied in one of my posts.
Point is Spurs back 5 is doing good job in PL but not so much in CL. Your question "How many have better back 5 than Spurs" is useless as with the same back 5 you didn't do much and KOed of Europe twice in a season and both at first hurdle.
So if only very few teams have better back 5 then why didn't they qualify in a group that was very winnable?
Statistically he's done very well in his first season of EPL so perhaps give him more credit.
You seem to obsess over United. Your team is doing well so why not enjoy that eh?
I could easily cite stats that show how Alli blows Pogba out of the water.
But regardless of stats, my eyes - and those of many other observers - see a different story, namely that Wanyama and Dembele - both individually and collectively - have had more positive impact on Spurs' season than Pogba has had on United's.
What's up with your obsession with Pogba and United's finances?
Alli plays behind the striker, Pogba plays as CM. Like for like comparison, compare to Spurs CMs, not attacking mids.
Now stats don't tell the story after going on and on about stats all season.
And this is where you lose your credibility as you talk about stats when they suit you and your agenda but disregard them when they don't.
Again you've turned the thread into United v Spurs for some reason.
No I'm saying I don't care if we're referred to as a big club or not.
This whole "big club" thing is pointless and I don't care. People can argue Aston Villa is a big club and come up with a compelling argument, but in the end it's meaningless.
Many here refer to Man Utd as the biggest club right? Doesn't really mean a thing for the league though and that's what I care about.
Pogba is given almost more freedom than Alli though, and has way more shots than any other CM.
They're definitely comparable players, in my opinion, and Alli is definitely better already, and 3 years younger...
But there you go, that's where we decided to bank our 90m.
No. Pogba plays deeper and I don't know how that's even up for debate. Herrera and Pogba plays in 2 man midfield in most games. He has more shots as he shoots from distance.
Harry Kane back in Spurs squad.
I've already answered this twice. Having to play at Wembley rather than WHL was the biggest single reason ... contrast this with our home record (i.e. at WHL) in the league this season.
But if you don't agree that few European teams have a better back 5 than Spurs, then perhaps you could list all the many teams supposedly that do.
So Pau Lopez may get his Tottenham debut tomorrow with Vorm sustaining a knee injury and if Lloris is still ill we may see a GK debutant.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-for-early-return-from-injury-against-watford
Harry Kane back from injury! I'm sure he was supposed to be out all season! Doping or mind games? Or maybe it was just a miraculous recovery. Either day it's messed with my FF plans. I had put son in my midfield.
Harry Kane back from injury! I'm sure he was supposed to be out all season! Doping or mind games? Or maybe it was just a miraculous recovery. Either day it's messed with my FF plans. I had put son in my midfield.
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