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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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Rhyme Animal said:
This.

As I've stated before in here, there's a culture of under-achieving (or 'bottling it') that somehow permeates through Spurs, and it's gone on for decades.

Their fans will rarely, if ever, acknowledge this and instead look for excuses within the individual game or campaign that they capitulated in, thus missing the overarching point.

They should've finished above Arse last season, but didn't.

They should've progressed through their CL group, but didn't.

They should've got past Gent, but didn't.

They should've won a trophy in the last 9/10 years, but haven't.

This might not be popular opinion among Spuds fans on here, but I genuinely think the club and fans should focus on the F.A Cup this season at least as much as they're focusing on Top 4.

The reason I say that is because if they get Top 4 again, what are they gonna do with it...? Their European form is so lowly, and all it does is detract from trophies they might actually win.

That club needs a trophy, they need to experience what other aspiring clubs like Wigan, Foxes, Portsmouth, Swansea, Birmingham have experienced since Spurs last trophy win - the feeling of actually winning something.

If they don't, they can expect players to start looking elsewhere.

Another trophy-less season, and I think you'd be looking at a 'one more season' attitude from players like Kane, Alli, Erickson etc.
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They won the league cup in 2008, did nothing for them.

There seems to be a myth on here that winning a trophy leads you to greater things, based on us winning the league cup in 2006 and finally winning the league again the following season. In reality they probably weren't even related, Arsenal ending their trophy drought recently has done nothing for them, as well as all the shit teams you listed have been relegated soon after winning a trophy.
 
Dominos said:
They won the league cup in 2008, did nothing for them.

There seems to be a myth on here that winning a trophy leads you to greater things, based on us winning the league cup in 2006 and finally winning the league again the following season. In reality they probably weren't even related, Arsenal ending their trophy drought recently has done nothing for them, as well as all the shit teams you listed have been relegated soon after winning a trophy.
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Do you think If Arse hadn't won those 2 FA Cups they'd still have Sanchez and Ozil now...?

These Spurs players need a trophy, and the best of them will leave if they don't win one this season or next.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Do you think If Arse hadn't won those 2 FA Cups they'd still have Sanchez and Ozil now...?

These Spurs players need a trophy, and the best of them will leave if they don't win one this season or next.
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Fair enough it might help with keeping certain players for an extra couple of years. Though if they're attracting offers from massive clubs and they're at a club who's only chance of a trophy is the fa/league cup then there's still a very high chance they leave. If the likes of Ozil and Sanchez hadn't already played for (and been disposed of) the super clubs like Madrid and Barca then Arsenal might be struggling to hold onto them right now, the Spanish giants would be sniffing around and it'd be very difficult to keep them.

This idea that it can transform a whole club's mentality and prompt a huge increase in the future success of the team is one I can't buy into.
 
Peanut Butter said:
It's definitely sarcastic.

But the message is spot on. People obsess over Top 4 only to be shite in the CL when they get there.

I want Utd to win trophies. This obsession about Top 4 gets on my tits in modern footy - like it's something to gloat about if you get there.
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This 100% all day long! I will never get this Top 4 over a trophy mentality for as long as I live. We're supposed to be a Top 6 now so two big teams are going to miss out every year. But some guy yesterday said he's worried now as four of the teams above us aren't in Europe ??

They fret about getting into Europe then when they do, moan about the travel and extra games, worry about the teams not in Europe and when they get knocked out, jump for joy.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
This.

As I've stated before in here, there's a culture of under-achieving (or 'bottling it') that somehow permeates through Spurs, and it's gone on for decades.

Their fans will rarely, if ever, acknowledge this and instead look for excuses within the individual game or campaign that they capitulated in, thus missing the overarching point.

They should've finished above Arse last season, but didn't.

They should've progressed through their CL group, but didn't.

They should've got past Gent, but didn't.

They should've won a trophy in the last 9/10 years, but haven't.

This might not be popular opinion among Spuds fans on here, but I genuinely think the club and fans should focus on the F.A Cup this season at least as much as they're focusing on Top 4.

The reason I say that is because if they get Top 4 again, what are they gonna do with it...? Their European form is so lowly, and all it does is detract from trophies they might actually win.

That club needs a trophy, they need to experience what other aspiring clubs like Wigan, Foxes, Portsmouth, Swansea, Birmingham have experienced since Spurs last trophy win - the feeling of actually winning something.

If they don't, they can expect players to start looking elsewhere.

Another trophy-less season, and I think you'd be looking at a 'one more season' attitude from players like Kane, Alli, Erickson etc.
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Ouch :lol:
 
We need a good result tomorrow to set us up nicely for the run in. Personally I don't give a crap about the EL and said so long before the first leg against Gent.

First I want top 4 and secondly the FA Cup, both are still well in the radar, but we need a good result tomorrow.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
We need a good result tomorrow to set us up nicely for the run in. Personally I don't give a crap about the EL and said so long before the first leg against Gent.

First I want top 4 and secondly the FA Cup, both are still well in the radar, but we need a good result tomorrow.
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That baffles me I'll be honest. Since when are Spurs too good for the Europa League?

You've won two trophies in 25 years, surely you can't afford to be picky when it comes to silverware?
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
That baffles me I'll be honest. Since when are Spurs too good for the Europa League?

You've won two trophies in 25 years, surely you can't afford to be picky when it comes to silverware?
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Totally agree, very strange post. Spurs look to be having an identical season to last, a solid top 4 finish but ultimately no silverware. The next arsenal?
 
I can kind of vaguely understand why you'd want top 4 ahead of going far in the europa.
But why would you rate the fa cup ahead of it?
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
That baffles me I'll be honest. Since when are Spurs too good for the Europa League?

You've won two trophies in 25 years, surely you can't afford to be picky when it comes to silverware?
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Because we don't have the depth of player to go deep in the EL and finish top 4, simple as that. And for us we need the financial benefits of being in the CL again next season, unlike the clubs that we compete with we aren't awash with money.

Our challenge for a trophy should be concentrated on the FA cup, 3 games and that's it, we can live with that.

Normally I would expect us to beat Stoke without too many worries at home but after Thursday's exertions I'm not so sure about tomorrow, that's what the EL does.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
We need a good result tomorrow to set us up nicely for the run in. Personally I don't give a crap about the EL and said so long before the first leg against Gent.

First I want top 4 and secondly the FA Cup, both are still well in the radar, but we need a good result tomorrow.
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I find it baffling that someone would care about top 4 over a trophy that provides the same reward.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Because we don't have the depth of player to go deep in the EL and finish top 4, simple as that. And for us we need the financial benefits of being in the CL again next season, unlike the clubs that we compete with we aren't awash with money.

Our challenge for a trophy should be concentrated on the FA cup, 3 games and that's it, we can live with that.

Normally I would expect us to beat Stoke without too many worries at home but after Thursday's exertions I'm not so sure about tomorrow, that's what the EL does.
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As well try and finish outside top 6 to concentrate on the league, to have fewer matches with less travel and one game per week
 
SirHenryPercy said:
I thought last time you qualified you finished third like us, behind Wolfsburg and PSV?

So yes, again.

You winning trophy's in the past won't help you, the same as it didn't help us.
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And the year before that the Quarters.

But yeah, let's just take the smallest sample possible to add weight to a dreadful argument.... on an oppositions fan site.

I'd say the fact that we're still in every competition we entered this year, as opposed to going out at almost the earliest opportunity in 3/5 competitions, would bode slightly more favourably for our chances in Europe next year, should we qualify.

As I type this I wonder why I bother, and why any of you bother being here.
 
Duafc said:
And the year before that the Quarters.

But yeah, let's just take the smallest sample possible to add weight to a dreadful argument.... on an oppositions fan site.

I'd say the fact that we're still in every competition we entered this year, as opposed to going out at almost the earliest opportunity in 3/5 competitions, would bode slightly more favourably for our chances in Europe next year, should we qualify.

As I type this I wonder why I bother, and why any of you bother being here.
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It's not the smallest sample, it's the most recent sample.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
About as valuable as your original post and link which had nothing to do with the present day.
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Wrong.

I posted a link showing the gargantuan difference between the European pedigree of clubs like Spurs and Arsenal and United.

You wish to consider only one year, like a mug.
 
Duafc said:
Wrong.

I posted a link showing the gargantuan difference between the European pedigree of clubs like Spurs and Arsenal and United.

You wish to consider only one year, like a mug.
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Wrong,

What you've done in the past will have no impact on how you get on next time, obvious.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Well you guys want top 4 as well, so do Arsenal, is that so you and them can also do nothing in it again?
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I'll answer more fully seeing you seem to be struggling.

United want to be in it because we think we can win it, because we have a long history of success in it, as well as having actually won it.

Also United have a manager who has won it with multiple clubs.

Also United have players with European pedigree and champions league medals.

Keep banging on about our last season in the CL of our recent struggles post Fergie all you like, again I can't understand your presence on this forum.

Spurs, according to you want to be in it for money, even at the expense of never winning other trophies.

You should have a re think on that front I think.
 
I rate Pochettino very highly as a coach. I've seen enough from his work at Southampton and Spurs to be highly impressed.

He has inherited and improved a number of players. That is coaching fundamentally. To work with what you have and maximise as much as you can from it. Not only has he brought on individuals but he's built very solid teams who at their best play a good brand of football.He's done more for the national team than our own managers which should be commended. And unlike others he doesn't have a carry-on side to him.

However to progress to the next level and win the title he needs to improve his recruitment.
£47m for Sissoko and Janssen is ridiculous. One should be in the Championship and the other would struggle down there. £20m for N'Jie and N'Koudou. What have they done?

Spurs are going to struggle financially in the next few years - they can't afford to waste money. If they get Top 4 this season that's a job well done as they weren't expected too at the start - he then has to right the wrongs of summer 2016 or be left behind.

He also needs to take the FA Cup very seriously - he needs a trophy, these players need a trophy and the club needs one. I think the idea that one trophy win is a catalyst for success is a myth - but in this case they need to get the first in the board just to prove to themselves they are capable more than anything.
 
Duafc said:
I'll answer more fully seeing you seem to be struggling.

United want to be in it because we think we can win it, because we have a long history of success in it, as well as having actually won it.

Also United have a manager who has won it with multiple clubs.

Also United have players with European pedigree and champions league medals.

Keep banging on about our last season in the CL of our recent struggles post Fergie all you like, again I can't understand your presence on this forum.

Spurs, according to you want to be in it for money, even at the expense of never winning other trophies.

You should have a re think on that front I think.
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Yep we want to be in it for the money, we're honest. want to be in it because you think you can win it, with your current crop that's delusional.

You are absolutely nowhere near the level of the big boys.
 
Duafc said:
Wrong.

I posted a link showing the gargantuan difference between the European pedigree of clubs like Spurs and Arsenal and United.

You wish to consider only one year, like a mug.
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To be fair, we can't fall back on our previous European years too much because even in the last 3/4 years when we were actually in it, we haven't done too well.

Having said that, we'll be a much better prospect than Spurs 100%. Spurs don't just lack depth but they lack the quality too. Mourinho is a top European coach with proven pedigree, and many of our players have competed successfully in Europe for years. Spurs crashed out of CL, came to our round, and got knocked out again lol. If depth is the flaw, then there's absolutely no way they will accumulate depth of a sufficient quality to help them in the CL and compete in the League over this summer window.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Yep we want to be in it for the money, we're honest. want to be in it because you think you can win it, with your current crop that's delusional.

You are absolutely nowhere near the level of the big boys.
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We'll win it again before Spurs though.

And you'll never in a million years catch me on a Spurs forum arguing the point.
 
Duafc said:
Then why have only 22 clubs won it since 1955?

Real 11 times?

Your argument is simplistic to the point of idiocy.
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When was the last time Real were dumped out in the group stages?

I'll give you a clue it wasn't 2 years ago. You're miles off of these clubs, winning trophy's in the past won't help you next time, it's blatant idiocy to think it will.
 
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