Actually, Burrow, I've got a Champions League game this evening against Sevilla.
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Good for you!
omar (Blackpool manager) has asked me to post this:
omardalvi said:Hey Damien, could you do me a favour and post my players available for loan in the thread?
J CARLOS GK 83
F ALEX CM/AM 80
J CAMPANA CM 82
A LACAZETTE AM/Wing 83
And also ask them if they know how to get out of debt, which i am currently in, and if i dont do something fast, the debt will just increase? And ask whether debt has any effect on the club.
And about the loan list, one condition, i will recall any player when i want him, and after his job is done, the club can have him back on loan.
Thanks.
P.S. - i also have some 70 rated players for loan.
And i will just read the reply in the thrad. Thanks again.
Bastard, I was just looking at Campana as a possible transfer.
Damien, tell him he must sell me Jose Campana in order to get out of debt. Tell him also that he shouldn't have been so ridiculous as to sign all those expensive players when he's manager of lowly Blackpool Rovers.
Same thoughts about Messi. Think its time for him to move on......Zarlak should sell.
I'm guessing he's had a good season?Will be interesting to see what happens to Blackpool financially as their squad overall is stronger than mine, their wages are slightly higher and their stadium capacity is just 16k.
An honest question to those lower league teams who've signed all these hot prospects and are now struggling to pay their wages; what are you going to do when their ratings increase and demand more wages to coincide?
I'm most worried for Darlington, your man Trionz has played as if this is a fully populated gameworld in which he can sell players whenever needs be, but alas it seems total muppetry could well bring about financial devastation for four fifths of the English football league.
I'm most worried for Darlington, your man Trionz has played as if this is a fully populated gameworld in which he can sell players whenever needs be, but alas it seems total muppetry could well bring about financial devastation for four fifths of the English football league.
Damien calculate my finances will you please.
Trionz has played this very well actually because he has bought most 70s risers, so they will rise more than high 80s ones, and once they rise he will sell them off to higher division clubs, plus because division 5 is mostly AI he will still have a higher squad rating even by keeping a few risers post rise.
Trionz will be fine due to the risers he has signed. He'll be able to sell them all on for a profit, will be out of the red (if he is going into debt) and into the black with a little kitty to spend on more. There are a lot of other teams I would worry about ahead of Darlington.
As for the wages from player increases, the only time you should worry is when it comes to renegotiating contracts. When possible sign players on 5 season contracts and you don't have to worry too much about the wages from rating increases.
You could try to use robocop's financial calculator from a few pages ago. It's not completely accurate as it doesn't take into account cup runs but it is a decent indicator of whether you'll be ok or in trouble: https://www.redcafe.net/f64/soccer-manager-red-cafe-league-349538/index109.html#post11380078
If you can't use it, pm me or tell me the stats and I'll put the figures in. I would do something to the extent that I did on mine but it is very time consuming and there's a few stats I would need that I don't have access to.
I didn't get the highlighted part.
I have a wage bill of 175k.
I have bought just 2 players of rating above 80 & just 2 rated 78.
I am not planning to hang onto any of them.
I will be fine, but this setup will of course be difficult, as most good youngsters have been scouted and i won't be able to buy any anytime soon.
There won't be any devastation for any club btw.
Transfer bans, when lifted, brings choices & depending on those choices, your finances will affect.
Robocops Patented Financial Calculator
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au-WEhXiGX2hdEtzeS1FdkxSUkp3NzQ1OXRlaDdOUkE
Work In Progress, tell me if I have made a mistake. You can't edit it from that link, but if you copy and paste it into another google docs it should work I think. If not I will change it.
Edit - Update
Holy feck.
That's amazing.
But that is not a complete picture.
I wish. but most will rise to just 77-79.
If you have gone by the forums, always expect less than what is predicted.
They are after all normal posters like us, who are trying to predict based on internet.
Robo, could you please explain the calculator a bit more, e.g. in omar's scenario he is making 140k loss per week based on attendance revenue but the calculator tells he will not be in debt.
Damien will try, thanks, cannot access SM as my laptop powrr adapter broke and the website is not mobile friendly, will ask for help if need be.
Damien will try, thanks, cannot access SM as my laptop powrr adapter broke and the website is not mobile friendly, will ask for help if need be.
Sorry my bad, I meant 70s players generally rise more than ones who are already high 80s, I agree the forum posters are guessing but because you have bought most of the discussed risers, you still ought to have most of them rise, and make good profits.
Thanks. Don't need him just yet, but might do if my current dealings fall through.
That's the point though; will he be able to sell them on to higher division clubs? In a fully populated gameworld he'd be okay, since all players bought and sold would be between human players, but in our gameworld transfers between human players will be very rare. Who's gonna want to buy Trionz's players once their stats rise? Better to buy cheaper players from the AI who're about to rise than to buy Trionz's expensive already risens, no?
I think you've underestimated the difficulty in selling players when the vast majority of the gameworld is populated by AI's.
You've also not taken morale into account. A player who's rating has risen from 78 to 83 for example will soon be dropping sharply in morale if you don't re-negotiate his contract with him to coincide.
I may be wrong, but Trionz's strategy seems to rely on him having the ability to easily move players on once their wage demands become unsustainable, but in a private gameworld I don't think that strategy is as viable as it would appear to be in a fully populated public gameworld.
Of course he could part-ex the players of to AI teams, but what will he became getting in return? Only players of similar calibre which will expect similarly unpayable weekly wages.
The bit in bold is a great point, and some have had difficulties selling off their players to the AI.
As for the bit about morale, I forgot about that but not sure how big an impact it will have if they are being played week in, week out.
The highlighted part is the difference between a public, fully populated gameworld whereby every transfer would be made between human managers, and our gameworld in which nobody's gonna want to buy your expensive risers when they could get players cheaper from the myriad of easily flummoxed AI managers.
Enough with the financial chat. Most of you are screwed!
From what I've read morale has a big impact on performance and wages have a big impact on morale.
Could he not just loan them out until he's in a better position/league.
Interesting. What if the player is on a 5 season contract and has a large raise in rating shortly after? Do you think the renegotiate contract button will reappear if the player is not happy with their wages?
Cider, you do know that there isn't a human manager who was controlling Milan when you flogged off Tevez to them, don't you?
Loan them out to who? Who's gonna want them? Who's gonna be able to afford them?
Trionz is only an example; I imagine many clubs will be in the same position. When everybody's looking to sell their players on, who's gonna be wanting to buy everybody's suddenly expensive players?
I don't know, but I don't imagine a player who's ratings have risen will be too happy sat on a 75rating contract for five years.
I am not expecting any bid from clubs which are managed by you guys.
Bar Tello, i have no player with the pull for such bids.
These are the players, who will make way for players, which will attract you guys.
External team do bid for players, as observed by you as well in Tevez's case, though late.
I just have to wait till first bid, if i get into red.
Thereafter player exchanges can always happen.
Regarding concerns, players can be concerned till they reach level 5.
Yes, it will appear.
Also when a player is newly transferred, they don't usually have 5years long contract; and are not meant to have contract extension till the new season.
But if they get a rating increase, that option will come.
Of course, but AI purchases seem to be very rare and probably won't make up the for the deficit.
Why do i have a feeling that you wanted me to expose my strategy?
Your strategy has been quite transparent. I'm just highlighting the flaw in your strategy.
I transfer listed four places for asking prices ranging from just under £100K to about £1.5M. Had offers for all four a day or two after listing. I don't think AI purchases are in fact rare.
If that's the case then i guess everyone's sorted.
Pretty much, though anyone who has to sell players for less than they bought them for is gonna take a hit, especially if they need chunks of what they bring in to cover debt rather than invest in new players.
Damn Sunderland-manager! Start being more active damnit!
I might be wrong, but I think foreign players may be easier to sell on.
I have a few million in the bank and don't give a feck
That's how I roll. No debt here.
That's how I roll. No debt here.
taking a gamble tonight against hamburg. my team is fecked fitness wise, so the reserves getting an outing. my team rating is 84, Hamburgs is 87 and I'm away from home. Lucky to pull a draw here.
Horrible attitude. This is an embarrassment to England. As England manager I'd drop your players if I had any.