And as per usual, the cowards that are An Gardai Siochana are nowhere to be seen on one of the busiests' streets in the City Centre.
The Rise of the Right Wing In Ireland.
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And as per usual, the cowards that are An Gardai Siochana are nowhere to be seen on one of the busiests' streets in the City Centre.
Coward shouting “kill him” whilst filming. Hope that he’s charged with inciting violence at the very least
It's getting to a stage where there needs to be some kind of push back against these fascist scum bags, if the gards aren't willing to do it, good people will have to. Otherwise we're going to sleep walk into outright fascism.
The Gardai and presumably the Government are aware of the rise of this type of thing. Obviously more needs to be done as people can't think they can go around beating innocent people up.
This incident is being investigated and they should be able to identify these scumbags from the video. Thankfully, these gobshites posted it themselves. To the surprise of nobody there was no evidence of and nobody reported anything in relation to a child abduction.
https://extra.ie/2024/06/18/news/irish-news/concern-migrant-attacks
All these fascists understand is violence, throw a bit of it their way and they'll crawl back under their bridges. That poor lad won't feel safe ever again in Ireland.
There’s every chance the people attacking that guy have no political affiliations at all. Just violent thugs, with nothing better to do, who’ve been radicalised by what they read on their phones (most of which originates in the US/Russia). So who, exactly, are you proposing we beat up to stop something like this happening again?
People doing this shit. Make it known that this won't be accepted in Ireland.
So track down the individuals who beat this guy up and beat them up. And keep doing that every time any foreigner gets beaten up in Dublin? Isn’t that a bit Batman?
Ever hear of the battle of cable street?
Yet Hitler won his street battles, did that make him right?
If you're advocating violence outside the law you're not solving the problem, you are part of the problem.
You’re not proposing to beat up members of an organised fascist movement though. You’re proposing beating up random individuals who hate foreigners because of what they read on the internet. Not to mention that one or two of the assailants in that video must have genuinely thought they were beating up a predatory paedophile. You’d crack their skulls too, right?
If the gards aren't willing to act then what are we supposed to do? These fecking scum torches Dublin less than a year ago, they're now running riot around Dublin battering foreigners. Do we just letting them keep doing this?
We don't. People last year were arrested and charged. Same as this crowd will be
It is an organised fascist movement, it's all part of the same movement that's storming the western world. Yes, anyone assaulting people that have done nothing wrong other than get picked out by fascists deserves consequences. If the gards aren't willing to do their jobs, someone else will have to.
A couple of thousands. Don't act dumb.
Out of curiosity, is it OK to beat up someone if there's evidence of that person doing something bad?
In this scenario, are the police doing their jobs and locking this person up?
Hopefully the someone else will also be arrested and taken off the streets, with the gards and the courts doing their jobs.
You recognise them as the same people, do you?
Who said the Garda aren't willing to act? People were arrested in the aftermath of the riots and they are working to identify this lot. They've also said they're aware of the rise of this type of attack and it is a growing concern.
In general, they've been a bit softly, softly with the far right over the years but I think that is changing now, especially after the riots along with them acting the bollix outside the Dail and showing up outside minister's houses.
I'm honestly not sure what you are suggesting at all. You can't actually arrest people until you have evidence that they've committed a crime.
They're doing so well at the first part of the job
The people stoking the hatred are not necessarily the people who are beating up foreigners but the two are intrinsically linked. One feeds the other. I'm with @Raven . It's ok to beat up violent racists and fascists. I've zero interest in the nuance between them.
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We literally brought in a hate speech law, lock them all up. Anyone that goes to these backwards fecking rallies.
Violent vigilantes are apparently ok if we agree with their politics.
What's the alternative? Allow ourselves to be totally overrun by violent, hateful, racist, fascist scum? We need to show them that this will not stand.
Let's say in this scenario the police seems to either downplay or look the other way and have yet to be exposed by a scandal.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
Nah, but if someone stood up for that man by returning the violence I'd be in full support.
Likewise the 'protests' we have seen with hate speech and intimidation should be met. Ideally by the police but historically that hasn't been the case. If the same level of aggression towards the police and populace was perpetrated under a hammer and sickle or anarchist banner they would be. That's been the case both here and abroad. I have been in peaceful protests under those banners and been attacked by the police both here and abroad.
The government have said feck all of merit or strength against this new nationalism or addressed the talking points in any cogent way. These fecks will basically keep them in power by splitting the working class vote. So why would they flatten them? Again, historically they never have.
They attacked Sinn Fein more than the government.
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The alternative is not enacting fascist policies to fight fascism. You're going to have to be more realistic and a little bit more copped on in your solution finding.
An eye for an eye and the whole world would be blind. - Gandhi
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at, of course that group of pedos deserved punishment for their crimes?
What's your solution then? I'm noticing a distinct lack of one.
I'm not necessarily getting at anything, I'm interested if you're really arguing that people should now beat up (guilty) people if police are perceived to do nothing.
If that is your view, then you can have that view ofcourse.
Well I've no problem with by-standers jumping to the guy's aid and I'd like to have seen that but it's difficult for being to get involved when that type are swinging knuckle-dusters. I'm not sure if that's what @Raven is suggesting or something more organised as he hasn't elaborated to that extent.
Again, what's the alternative? Just allow them to continue attacking children? Because that seems to be exactly what happened.
There wasn't a couple of thousand, dont act dumb. Your getting caught up in fear mongering. Granted theres good reason to be fearful but its just a lot less dramatic than you describe.
Organise against them and don't be afraid of knocking them around. At the moment they're being allowed to do exactly as they please. Torching refugee centres, torching Dublin city centre and attacking foreigners. They wouldn't be so bold if they were facing the same violence they were enacting on others.
How many do you think there were to completely overwhelm the gards.
Somewhat unserious response: don't punish the vigilantes with jail when they take matters in their own hands.
Serious response: I prefer taking the media route, expose a scandal, help the victims etc. Then see what happens.
At least some of those people are convinced they’re beating up a paedophile. We’re saying it’s not cool to beat up paedophiles who happen to be foreign and if you do, someone else will beat you up? And that’s fine? We can beat up alleged racists but not alleged paedophiles. All getting a bit slippery, if you ask me.
I’m all in favour of seeking out and targeting whoever is pulling their strings but suspect a significant proportion of them aren’t even living in Ireland.
Considering how many guards there were feck all. You dont fight the far right, you arrest them and charge them as they break crimes and fight the circumstances that allow them to grow.
Fascism in Ireland is all over the fecking media