The Rise of the Right Wing In Ireland.

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https://www.thejournal.ie/european-and-local-elections-explainer-6393698-Jun2024/
 
They're not being counted today man.

They have to separate them from the local election slips so that they can count the local election slips.


Ok, we can see if the figures available are just guesses.

I know people at four different counts and they all have rough figures for Euro elections.

Niall Boylan looks like he might get a seat, while Brid Smith is looking shaky. Ming Flanagan looks to have retained his seat in the NW.
 
feck its depressing. We might narrowly avoid too many hard right figures but its thrown us directly back to the same old FFG shit. Cant see a plausible government without them.
 
Ok, we can see if the figures available are just guesses.

I know people at four different counts and they all have rough figures for Euro elections.

Niall Boylan looks like he might get a seat, while Brid Smith is looking shaky. Ming Flanagan looks to have retained his seat in the NW.

At this point they would very much rough guesses. The articles I've seen say as much.
 
Overview in the Sunday World.

https://m.sundayworld.com/news/iris...-hold-firm-in-local-elections/a633750088.html

Sinn Fein's march seems to have been halted. I wonder what the cause was. The right wingers have definitely been targeting them more than the government because they know any votes thet get are most likely from the protest voters the Shinners have recently taken onboard. But some of it has to do with how quiet Sinn Fein have become on most issues. By trying not to rock the boat they have lost ground. They have a lot of work to do now.
 
Overview in the Sunday World.

https://m.sundayworld.com/news/iris...-hold-firm-in-local-elections/a633750088.html

Sinn Fein's march seems to have been halted. I wonder what the cause was. The right wingers have definitely been targeting them more than the government because they know any votes thet get are most likely from the protest voters the Shinners have recently taken onboard. But some of it has to do with how quiet Sinn Fein have become on most issues. By trying not to rock the boat they have lost ground. They have a lot of work to do now.

They haven't helped themselves, I'm not sure if it's complacency but I'd expect a party that's trying to increase their holding or move to being either in government or at least the main opposition after the next GE to be far more vocal, visible and concrete in the positions they're taking.

SF just seem to have been coasting on the assumption that they were going to clean up. And the decision to run so many candidates hasn't helped them either, effectively shooting themselves in the dick.

I'm not a SF supporter but if I was I'd be asking some serious questions of Mary Lou's leadership.

Some interesting reading here:
SF has slumped in the polls - we spoke to grassroots members about what needs to change
 
They haven't helped themselves, I'm not sure if it's complacency but I'd expect a party that's trying to increase their holding or move to being either in government or at least the main opposition after the next GE to be far more vocal, visible and concrete in the positions they're taking.

SF just seem to have been coasting on the assumption that they were going to clean up. And the decision to run so many candidates hasn't helped them either, effectively shooting themselves in the dick.

I'm not a SF supporter but if I was I'd be asking some serious questions of Mary Lou's leadership.

Some interesting reading here:
SF has slumped in the polls - we spoke to grassroots members about what needs to change

Yep 100%. Part of the reason for their inactivity imo is the diverse party membership. The old barstool provos have very different expectations and ideals than the round spectacled Eoin O Broins. You can only juggle such a divide for so long. While they were the only protest vote they got votes by default.

This quote from what you posted is true. I follow the faf right loons closely and they attacked Sinn Fein much more than the government.

“They’re trying to demoralise you all the time. People are calling Sinn Féin traitors and sharing stuff from people like Tommy Robinson – he was never a friend to Ireland,” O’Regan added, referring to the UK-based far-right agitator.
 
It’s actually impressive how much of a balls SF have made of everything.

that said it looks like it’s mostly that the usual older voters have turned out for FFG and young people haven’t really bothered to vote for SF? And it seems Indos were the ones to profit from far right loonies making sure to vote.
 
It’s actually impressive how much of a balls SF have made of everything.

that said it looks like it’s mostly that the usual older voters have turned out for FFG and young people haven’t really bothered to vote for SF? And it seems Indos were the ones to profit from far right loonies making sure to vote.

The other factor is that local politics are not the same as National politics. The shinners are up on their last local election performance.

The local councillors here in west Sligo are nailed on, especially the two independents. A lot of those voters will vote SF in the generals.

The surge of the roaring independents was always going to draw from the SF vote more than the conservative parties.
 
that said it looks like it’s mostly that the usual older voters have turned out for FFG and young people haven’t really bothered to vote for SF?

Which is 100% on SF.

They had 2 first time candidates running in Wexford, apart from seeing their posters I've seen nothing from or about them, who they are, what they stand for, or why I should vote for them.
 
Which is 100% on SF.

They had 2 first time candidates running in Wexford, apart from seeing their posters I've seen nothing from or about them, who they are, what they stand for, or why I should vote for them.

Yeah, not getting young people who are willing to vote is a total feck up.
 
Yep 100%. Part of the reason for their inactivity imo is the diverse party membership. The old barstool provos have very different expectations and ideals than the round spectacled Eoin O Broins. You can only juggle such a divide for so long. While they were the only protest vote they got votes by default.

This quote from what you posted is true. I follow the faf right loons closely and they attacked Sinn Fein much more than the government.

“They’re trying to demoralise you all the time. People are calling Sinn Féin traitors and sharing stuff from people like Tommy Robinson – he was never a friend to Ireland,” O’Regan added, referring to the UK-based far-right agitator.

It always seemed a bit of a stretch the way a party that is fundamentally nationalist was also progressive and socialist. Those are typically not Venn diagrams that intersect.
 
Which is 100% on SF.

They had 2 first time candidates running in Wexford, apart from seeing their posters I've seen nothing from or about them, who they are, what they stand for, or why I should vote for them.

I think that’s because they’re a bit paralysed by immigration being such a hot ticket item and knowing their policy on it won’t go down well with their base. They were hoping they could hide in the shadows and wait for the mainstream parties to implode. A tactic that might still work in the general election.
 
I think that’s because they’re a bit paralysed by immigration being such a hot ticket item and knowing their policy on it won’t go down well with their base. They were hoping they could hide in the shadows and wait for the mainstream parties to implode. A tactic that might still work in the general election.
The funny thing is the government are currently just throwing the can down the road on immigration with the constant removal of tents and new ones popping back up, they probably thought after the last few years there was so way they’d be back in power in 2025. They might have to change their tactic. Fecking depressing to think FFG might be in power again given how awful they’ve performed on basically everything.
 
It always seemed a bit of a stretch the way a party that is fundamentally nationalist was also progressive and socialist. Those are typically not Venn diagrams that intersect.

No, not in the modern political vernacular but their nationalism is the last of the very progressive anti imperialist punch-up nationalism, so ideologically it does fit. Nationalism took a turn about 100 years ago and became something very different. Sinn Fein's nationalism has it's roots in the post enlightenment revolutions.
 
The funny thing is the government are currently just throwing the can down the road on immigration with the constant removal of tents and new ones popping back up, they probably thought after the last few years there was so way they’d be back in power in 2025. They might have to change their tactic. Fecking depressing to think FFG might be in power again given how awful they’ve performed on basically everything.


The cynic in me thinks the imagery of tents and the like was grist to the mill of the right wing who took the focus from the disgrace that is the housing crisis and made the debate about immigration. Suited them perfectly.
 
I think that’s because they’re a bit paralysed by immigration being such a hot ticket item and knowing their policy on it won’t go down well with their base. They were hoping they could hide in the shadows and wait for the mainstream parties to implode. A tactic that might still work in the general election.

Yep.
 
The cynic in me thinks the imagery of tents and the like was grist to the mill of the right wing who took the focus from the disgrace that is the housing crisis and made the debate about immigration. Suited them perfectly.
Thats how i view it. They weaponised immigration. Think they're playing with fire and are spectacular dickheads for introducing that muck to irish politics. I really, really hate them and their stupid smiling faces.
 
Unfortunately it looks like this dickhead Gavin Pepper who I referenced earlier is going to take a seat in my area (Finglas/Ballymun).
 
I think that’s because they’re a bit paralysed by immigration being such a hot ticket item and knowing their policy on it won’t go down well with their base. They were hoping they could hide in the shadows and wait for the mainstream parties to implode. A tactic that might still work in the general election.

This is 100% it. The cliche lads wearing Celtic jerseys with Eire 32 on the back have been shocked that SFs nationalism isn't their nationalism when it comes to immigration, and immigration is right now a more relevant nationalism issue for them than Northern Ireland.

Irish politics is in a very bad place right now. Its ripe for a credible equivalent to the AFD to come along, but that doesn't seem to be imminent, thank christ. Just leaves us in the same place as we ever have been.
 
Well, the one fascist running in clondalkin got elected. Linda de Courcy of Independent Ireland. So that sucks. Pretty mixed bag in the rest of the seats with some good and some bad.
 
Well, the one fascist running in clondalkin got elected. Linda de Courcy of Independent Ireland. So that sucks. Pretty mixed bag in the rest of the seats with some good and some bad.

Gavin Pepper in Fingal too. He's a scumbag.
 
Some poor bloke getting set upon by a mob seemingly for being foreign.

Apparently this has happened a few times in the City where an immigrant is accused of attempted child abduction, with zero evidence with no thought to having the guy arrested, and then beaten up.

Shameful behaviour from that security guard too who pushes him back out on to the baying mob. He should have let him in and called the cops.

 
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Some poor bloke getting set upon my a mob seemingly for being foreign.

Apparently this has happened a few times in the City where an immigrant is accused of attempted child abduction, with zero evidence with no thought to having the guy arrested, and then beaten up.

Shameful behaviour from that security guard too who pushes him back out on to the baying mob. He should have let him in and called the cops.



That is so depressing. That's all the scum will achieve, bringing racial violence to the streets in places like the North Inner City, Tallaght and Clondalkin. The places that feel the wost end of every social problem. Pricks.