Any stat that has more Brits coming here year on year can't be good, lads. They're meant to be the baddies.
The Rise of the Right Wing In Ireland.
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Totally. Ireland for the Irish, and anyone who is not a Tan.
You’re being melodramatic with the angle on these stats which sound a bit like the Great Replacement crap the fascists this thread is about like to bang on about. We’re not seeing a massive exodus of Irish people replaced by people from the developing world (not saying you implied this but the headline figures you shared could easily be interpreted that way)
Even the most pessimistic interpretation (none of the 69k leaving are immigrants returning to their home country) we’re seeing about 30k Irish people being swapped out for 30k EU/UK citizens each year. In a country of 5 million + people. Plus we have a very long tradition of exporting our young people abroad, more recently tending to return a few years later.
None of which is to disagree with the idea that it’s very hard for young people here right now. Especially due to cost of living and accomodation. Although we do have quite low unemployment compared to a lot of other countries, all of which are also struggling with increased cost of living and the housing crisis seems universal.
Well we've radicalised @Pogue Mahone . That's a win. I'll post your antifa badge if you PM me your address!
Ah I wasn't at that, c'mon. I was pointing out that there are more people emigrating than in a long time which surely means more Irish people emigrating than in a long time, and that it's a direct result of how fecking hard it is for young people in the country at the moment. The numbers speak for themselves, we're letting record numbers in, more than any other country in Europe relative to population size, I believe, whilst all our critical services are at complete breaking point. This isn't to say I don't generally support immigration, I do, it's a benefit overall, especially as populations age and fertility declines, but that doesn't mean the current situation isn't completely fecked.
It's really hard to seriously discuss immigration because if you're critical of the numbers coming in you automatically get associated with these cnuts and people talk down as if it's not a problem, it obviously is a problem that we have net migration of 100k a year in a country where we have a shortage of basically everything. With that said I do believe the solution is for our government to cop on and fix all these shortages, not just in housing, but let's be honest, they're completely inept and that won't happen.
I just think they get me and how wound up I get, y'know?
Kindred.
There are other places than those two though.
I know you know that so I don't mean to sound condescending, but it just reminds me of chats with friends from home who dislike living in Ireland, but then say Vancouver is full and Australia is too far away, and conclude that there's nowhere to go.
I had a friend emigrate to Holland. Came back a year later because he found the housing situation even worse. I think its a problem everywhere.
Anecdotally, A significant majority of the people I grew up with moved away to London, Australia, Canada, and a small number to the US. All of them did it in their early 20s for a new experience for a few years. Most of them are back, the only people that really stayed are the ones that were making crazy money wherever they were, or people that met someone. I'd hazard a guess that a significant amount of the young Irish people emigrating these days are doing the same? I don't think they're all leaving in despair, they all move to places that are having the same problems as Ireland. I find that the people giving out stink about their prospects online are usually people that aren't arsed upping sticks and doing something about it.
Ah here
feck off
Ireland’s answer to Trump!
The man is a walking advertisement to what happens when you take too many drugs
I hope he runs. It would show how unpopular he is here. Most of his fanbase wouldn't know how a voting ballot works anyway.
He can't be that stupid that he thinks the President has any power at all, surely?
It's a recurring theme with these folks.
In the last election, there were bunches of these folks who thought the positions they were running for had more power that they actually did. They had very little conception of what they would actually be able to do in the job.
I’ll stop you there.
Can't remember if there was a Dublin riot thread, or if here is appropriate, but one of the first convictions from the riots was yesterday.
Declan Donaghey, set a Garda car on fire and damaged another. He threw a wheelie bin at a Garda. For a fella who "got caught up in the chaos", he had the presence of mind to wipe his finger prints off of the handle of the Garda car after putting the flaming box into the back seat.
Later he attacked an accomodation centre for migrants.
Anyway, he came to court a new man. Apologetic for his actions, he claims he got swept up in the riots in a moment of anger as his partners cousin went to the school where the stabbings occurred. He felt he let himself down and "made himself look like a scumbag". He apologised to the government at the Gardaí, saying this was completely out of character for him. He was only there that day to "support the victims".
The mask slipped though, when the six and a half year jail term was handed down as he and his family left the court shouting "scumbags" at the Gardaí.
Declan Donaghey, set a Garda car on fire and damaged another. He threw a wheelie bin at a Garda. For a fella who "got caught up in the chaos", he had the presence of mind to wipe his finger prints off of the handle of the Garda car after putting the flaming box into the back seat.
Later he attacked an accomodation centre for migrants.
Anyway, he came to court a new man. Apologetic for his actions, he claims he got swept up in the riots in a moment of anger as his partners cousin went to the school where the stabbings occurred. He felt he let himself down and "made himself look like a scumbag". He apologised to the government at the Gardaí, saying this was completely out of character for him. He was only there that day to "support the victims".
The mask slipped though, when the six and a half year jail term was handed down as he and his family left the court shouting "scumbags" at the Gardaí.
Absolutely delighted this total geebag got 6 ½ years. Far too many scroats in Ireland.
Poor sod just got "caught up in the chsos" . Could happen to anyone really.
To be honest, he deserves jail time, but 6 and half years seems a bit excessive. When rape or manslaughter can get you less time inside.
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-la...ghter-does-not-amount-to-justice-father-says/
It is excessive but I think it’s about teaching these Canada goose cnuts a lesson over the riots. There simply had to be harsh punishments.
We all know the justice system is broken in Ireland because we’ve no space in prisons so other lads getting off lightly shouldn’t mean these guys do too.
What he and his cronies did was more or less domestic terrorism.
Aye, these scrotes should all be punished.
But, when beating someone to death gets you less time inside than doing damage a bit of damage to a Garda car there's something seriously wrong.
Question the lenient sentences then. This lad got exactly what he deserved.
Not saying he didn't.
All I'm saying is that when you get less time for beating someone to death than you get for torching a Garda car. The whole system is fecked up.
Yeah, fair. I think they probably have to lay down a marker with these riots. We don't have the same system as the UK where people can be on trial and locked up for their participation in a riot within a week or two, so we have to ensure that the identified antagonists get the maximum punishment to put people off partaking the next time something kicks off.
There absolutely is a problem with sentencing in Ireland, but I do think they're right to make an example of these people.
Aye they definitely should be making examples to try and put people off doing similar in the future.
They got seven years, which is a longer sentence. None of them will be spending that full sentence inside.
It was 7 years minus 3 suspended. So 4 years and one of them had previous convictions for violence.
The guy who set a car on fire got 7 and a half, with 1 suspended.
I know of people who also got a lot less for killing people while drink driving.
They were done for manslaughter. For punching and kicking someone, with no intent to kill. Sounds as though they only threw a few digs as well, it wasn’t a prolonged beating. One of those horrible, unlucky situations where someone gets hit and bangs their head on the ground. The sentence sounds about right to me, in that context.
The riot guy - as well as setting the police car on fire - physically attacked a guard, throwing a wheelie bin at him. I’ve no problem with particularly severe sentences for people who attack the police.
The riot guy got what he deserved no doubt.
But, killing someone by beating them to death intentionally or not. There's no way that should be punished less severely than setting a car on fire, assault and throwing a wheelie bin.
The left in Ireland have largely been pathetic in our respect mse to rising fascist groups.
Too busy fighting with eachother, just like the war of independence, just like the 60s, just like the troubles, and just like 1992. The Republican movement have been failures for the most part in countering right wing forces.
Fascists walking freely down the streets of Dublin, young men being groomed online by bad faith agitators, and what are we doing about it?
I think there's a level of understanding with the apathy that this generation rightly feels about what's been going on, but real leadership is needed, and needed now.
Too busy fighting with eachother, just like the war of independence, just like the 60s, just like the troubles, and just like 1992. The Republican movement have been failures for the most part in countering right wing forces.
Fascists walking freely down the streets of Dublin, young men being groomed online by bad faith agitators, and what are we doing about it?
I think there's a level of understanding with the apathy that this generation rightly feels about what's been going on, but real leadership is needed, and needed now.