The thing is, I learned football through the BBC. So I wouldn't say that it's a matter of marketing but more about the fact that between Skysports and the BBC the PL and english football in general have massive broadcasters who have the ability to reach everyone who has a tv.
The relative strength of the Premier League
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The thing is, I learned football through the BBC. So I wouldn't say that it's a matter of marketing but more about the fact that between Skysports and the BBC the PL and english football in general have massive broadcasters who have the ability to reach everyone who has a tv.
What are these ratings about?
They don't have a winter break, they have three more days at the end of december. Instead of a normal week they have 10 days after that they have about 10 games in a month.
Sky Sports show Spanish football though? And their presenters hype that through the roof.
There's five matches that look very good, what's the other 2 for you?
Sunderland vs Everton
Boro vs Palace
Burnley vs Hull
Bournemouth vs WBA
West Ham vs Watford
All look like boring games IMO.
Not sure if you're generally asking what the ratings are about or if you think they are incorrect. That's my scores on the entertainment value of those games.
Christ Reyes is still playing? forgot he even existed LOL. Gone of the days of arsenal were champions undefeated, reyes would be a bigger talent than CR7, and here we are
Yes it is subjective, and my opinion about it (boring) is also purely subjective, however it is obviously the opinion from the majority of the world, when you look at the viewing figures. In today's world, and numerous (legal and non-legal) streaming pages, payTV, etc, you can pretty much watch all the big leagues in any country. And a proper football fan doesn't just watch the PL, because the marketing is good. He tries and evaluates every big league, and watches what he is most excited about.
Sunderland: Defoe and Januzaj
Hull: Snodgrass, Mason, Huddlestone
West Brom: Berahino (in form), Rondon, Chadli
Bournemouth: Gradel, Wilson, Ibe, Wilshere
Burnley: Defour, Gray
Good job in picking the least exciting teams as well, i said "almost every"..but even those teams have players, that were starters, or would start in a current Champions League team...
in comparison to Las Palmas, the marquee minnow in Spain, buying stranded oldies like Boateng or El Zhar..in the PL they would be branded as a worse Queens Park.
Seems like you really made some bad experiences with people, can't interpret your overreaction in any other way. Never said anything about "utterly dreadful, abysmal idiots, or incredible difference, or relegation" or anything. No idea where this eruption was coming from. I like La Liga as well, i start to like it more and more, when compared to 5 years ago. I watch it second most to PL, even though i am a German and Bundesliga is omnipresent here. And i think most of the Spanish team are making the most out of their money, and they are the best league in "price/performance", no doubt. But that doesn't make them the best league overall, just my personal opinion. What i dislike the most in this league are the referees, would probably happen in any league that players exploit it as good as they can. I consider my opinion as balanced as it gets, and i also like and watch all big 4 leagues. However if you are a fan of fast paced, exciting football, a lot of games in Spain and Italy are just boring - purely subjective. This is no problem for me, i am doing different stuff while watching those games (unless they get exciting like Las Palmas last week). Btw that's also what i was doing in pretty much any ManUnited game last season.
My question was what they are about. Understood that now, thanks.
The same Januzaj who has done nothing in his career and flopped in Germany?
You surely can't be suggesting the likes of Snodgrass, Mason and Huddlestone are superior to the players at the bottom clubs in Spain?
KPB is 29 and you use a 33 year old Defoe as an argument?
No problem @Synco
The same Januzaj who has done nothing in his career and flopped in Germany?
You surely can't be suggesting the likes of Snodgrass, Mason and Huddlestone are superior to the players at the bottom clubs in Spain?
KPB is 29 and you use a 33 year old Defoe as an argument?
No problem @Synco
Januzaj has shown enough talent already, and if nursed properly he can become a superb player.
Snodgrass, Mason and Huddlestone are also superior to spanish mid-table starters. Comparable to N'zonzi, who went to Sevilla as a Stoke squad player to become the spine of their play - just an example of course. And spare me your laugh smiley, just makes you look like a spoiled child.
Ibrahimovic is 34, so what? Defoe has been a model professional, prolific goalscorer all his life. Boateng has achieved nothing in his last 3 years, every team who had him just tried to get rid of him as fast as possible.
Yep but how many people really have that deep knowledge about football? Most people will only watch 1-2 leagues and the biggest games, very few people have the time to watch them all and will often pick the one with the easiest access. I think in Asia which is by far the biggest market population wise the access to PL is much easier.
Boateng is actually a decent player. If he moved to Burnley I'm quite sure PL maniacs would use him as example of league's strength. Sorry, aside from Rondon and maybe Wilshere and Chadli I don't think any of them are that good or CL level, unless we're talking about the CL level which the likes of Legia Warsaw play at in which case all La Liga and PL players are better than that.
Well you said you hated 90% of La Liga games and found them low on quality, boring and unwatchable which is quite extreme.
Jesus Christ. If watching these players is entertaining or exciting, then there is surely something wrong with football.
Come on, they're not and N'Zonzi went to Sevilla as a Stoke starter - Allardyce even tried to call him up to England recently. I don't think Mason or Huddlestone would be starting for many if any La Liga teams, they are so far behind in terms of technique it's difficult to imagine this.
No i didn't, and if you start putting words in my mouth, this discussion is over
I didn't say that, apparently proper reading is a rare trade nowadays
Only you did:
Funny thing that even a lot of Spaniards think that PL is better then La Liga. The other day i was in an Erasmus party, speaking with a bunch (around 10) football enthusiastic Spaniards, and they all agreed - amazingly
Seems like most people here who are hyping this league so much never watch any league games, and gather all their "knowledge" from some Europa league games, or statistics. Seems like mostly frustrated fans, who are jealous that the PL steals their leagues best players every year.
If you'd seriously watch their league games, and i mean not El Classico, but some random game, they are mostly boring to death. I am watching random games of La Liga for years (well not completely random, but games i hope will turn out interesting), and 90% of them are low on quality and boring. Of course there is the odd exciting game, like Las Palmas against Granada last week, but that's surely not representative of the whole league. Some people here stating about the Tottenham against Liverpool game beeing so low on quality ... one game. Well, Vigo against Real Madrid was even worse, no team could even put 5 passes together without making mistakes. Taking one, or even a few games will never be representative. If you watch a considerable amount of games, a 100 or more over a few years, then you have a fairly represenative amount of games. And in my opinion, 90 of those 100 games in La Liga are no joy to watch. In the PL more then 50% of the live games i watch are really enjoying and exciting, and that's the reason i like this league the most, nothing else. In the PL almost every team has 2 or 3 brilliant players, who are a joy to watch, who excite people in a game. In La Liga there are maybe 6 or 7 of those teams.
And it's probably the same for a billion people on our planet, at least that's what the viewing figures tell us.
And where did i say i "hate" the games? Where did i say they are unwatchable?
Well if they are no joy to watch it probably means you didn't like them much, and there being 'barely any watchable games' is basically equivalent of them being unwatchable (likewise games being no joy to watch). Sorry, next time I will just recite the exact identical words not use words which basically have similar meaning.
Oh dear at trying to retort from your laughable claims and posts, by putting all the emphasis on the word 'hate'....
Spoiled child for laughing at your terrible comparison?
Spoiled child for laughing at your terrible comparison?
Most of the games are no joy to watch. That doesn't imply that i "hate" them. All of our games the last 2 years were boring to watch, horrible at times..you think now i hate ManUnited? Please..quite ridiculous. I didn't say they are unwatchable, you might wanna read again.
And you calling Huddlestones technique not good enough tells me enough - clearly no idea about this player what so ever, so probably the same goes for most other PL players as well. Gets to stupid here, i am out.
Well you might have hated our games without hating United. I also hated our games for most of the last 3 years, lots of people did.
I don't rate Huddlestone that much.
I have no idea why people still discuss this when in last three years all winners of CL have been from Spain. During those 3 finals only one team wasn't from Spain. Actually, only two PL teams appeared in the last seven finals(same for Serie A) and only one time PL club won it(same for Seria A). Domination in the Europa league is also very sinilar. La Liga is quite clearly league with the best teams, whether it's the most entertaining or not that's different story that's not relevant to the discussion about strength of different leagues.
I'm starting to see (not here on RC... yet) an ever-increasing sentiment by PL-fans, declaring that they're "losing interest on the CL". If things keep on being the way they've been in the last years, I could imagine these people spouting nonsense like they do with the EL, aka "Well we never cared anyways... now time for the league to get top 4!". That way they can unilaterally declare the PL as the true measure of club quality/strength while disregarding objective measures such as the results obtained in Europe.
Im guessing they're revamping the CL because every other nation is enjoying it bar England?
Look at the viewing figures for BT sport. Fans of English football don't need European results to feel good about themselves.
It's not an excuse for petty point scoring in such arguments. It seems to be fact
Come on, every single team wants to win Champions League badly. It's the most important club trophy in football and every club who enters it will give their 100% and winning it is more important than winning domestic trophies because it places you in history forever. That's why 1999 and 2008 are two of the most memorable years in United's recent history. If someone ever suggests that City and Arsenal do poorly in Europe because they want to do well in PL they are bonkers.
Yes but it was made out to be an excuse for not doing well in Europe. If we were watching the CL and saying that then fair enough. It is an excuse.
The CL viewing figures are way down so our apathy becomes fact more than an excuse.
Take out United and Liverpool. Where is the CL history in our top sides fanbases?
Spurs
Arsenal
City
Chelsea
These sides are as desperate for a league title as they are for a CL challenge. I can see why they would lose interest in the CL when it's hard enough to challenge for the league. A title they can actually win!
I don't think viewing figures dictate club's priorities. At the end of the day winning European Cup sort of immortalizes the club, puts them in history forever like I said. I don't think City are that desperate for a league title having won two recently, besides this is exactly the reason why all of them should be desperate to win CL - they never have.
Clubs will always want to do well in Europe but the point I was addressing is the apathy towards Europe being described as some pathetic excuse as a way to claim the PL being tbe objective.
It's not an excuse if it's backed up by fact. The CL in England has become a very niche market if we judge by who is watching.
The appetite doesn't seem to be there. Hell English sides are really struggling in Europe yet our managers never seemed to be under pressure from these poor results. Domestic results is what kills our managers
Really? I wasn't aware of that, I live in Poland. CL has never been marginalized here, people watch it. Never thought football fans anywhere would ignore CL in large numbers.
I don't think it's fair in saying that English fans are turning away from the CL. Just it's on a hard to access channel.
What is fair to say is that without an English team in the tournament, interest goes down. Which makes sense really.
What is fair to say is that without an English team in the tournament, interest goes down. Which makes sense really.
It's because there used to be 1 game on ITV (free channel for everyone in UK) and 1 game on Sky. Now BT Sport have it all and quite a lot of people don't have BT Sport
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...-sports-dismal-champions-league-viewing-figu/
Cyberman is wrong to say the appetite for Europe isn't there though. People aren't watching because they don't have the channel
Having lived abroad access to games on TV is one of the biggest insults to fans in a time where match prices are also forcing fans out.
How it's allowed that you need to buy multiple licenses to access one product is disgusting. If I buy a book I don't expect to have to pay waterstones for part 1 and Blackwell's for part 2.
It's like clubs don't want fans in the UK to see English clubs.
BT Sport isn't that hard to find now!
Sky Sports had all but one game a week for years and there was no outcry over lack of exposure?
It's not as if it's on FX or Alibi
Sky Sports had all but one game a week for years and there was no outcry over lack of exposure?
It's not as if it's on FX or Alibi
1."Everyone who disagrees with my view is a fraud and probably commits forgery on a bad hair day".Funny thing that even a lot of Spaniards think that PL is better then La Liga. The other day i was in an Erasmus party, speaking with a bunch (around 10) football enthusiastic Spaniards, and they all agreed - amazingly
Seems like most people here who are hyping this league so much never watch any league games, and gather all their "knowledge" from some Europa league games, or statistics. Seems like mostly frustrated fans, who are jealous that the PL steals their leagues best players every year.
If you'd seriously watch their league games, and i mean not El Classico, but some random game, they are mostly boring to death. I am watching random games of La Liga for years (well not completely random, but games i hope will turn out interesting), and 90% of them are low on quality and boring. Of course there is the odd exciting game, like Las Palmas against Granada last week, but that's surely not representative of the whole league. Some people here stating about the Tottenham against Liverpool game beeing so low on quality ... one game. Well, Vigo against Real Madrid was even worse, no team could even put 5 passes together without making mistakes. Taking one, or even a few games will never be representative. If you watch a considerable amount of games, a 100 or more over a few years, then you have a fairly represenative amount of games. In the PL more then 50% of the live games i watch are really enjoying and exciting, and that's the reason i like this league the most, nothing else. In the PL almost every team has 2 or 3 brilliant players, who are a joy to watch, who excite people in a game. In La Liga there are maybe 6 or 7 of those teams.
And it's probably the same for a billion people on our planet, at least that's what the viewing figures tell us.
2. You've probably been watching the Portuguese league by mistake.
3. Name 2/3 "brilliant players who are exciting to watch" at Burnley, Sunderland, Hull, Crystal Palace, Swansea, Southampton etc. I think you're talking about "pretty good" players.
Ah, so it's not that people don't give a feck, they just can't watch.
It'll probably cheer people up to know that it costs me £8 a month here to watch nearly all Premier League, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Champions League and Europa League games plus all international tournaments, completely legal, in HD quality.
Does that include the Polish League as well?
It does. Can't say I watch it very often, I usually do when I go to the stadium to see Wisła Kraków play (worst team in the league now). I wish the good old days of Wisła could come back to Kraków.