The relative strength of the Premier League

He'll just tell you that one off games mean nothing. You're wasting your time.

What about when Liverpool knocked out the fourth best team in Spain (whose best player subsequently signed for us)

What does that mean? If we use the Europa League does that mean Liverpool are better than the fourth best Spanish side but worse than the seventh?
 
What about when Liverpool knocked out the fourth best team in Spain (whose best player subsequently signed for us)

What does that mean? If we use the Europa League does that mean Liverpool are better than the fourth best Spanish side but worse than the seventh?
I agree that single games don't mean much. But consistent performances definitely do.
 
What about when Liverpool knocked out the fourth best team in Spain (whose best player subsequently signed for us)

What does that mean? If we use the Europa League does that mean Liverpool are better than the fourth best Spanish side but worse than the seventh?

If use Europa League then Spanish teams have consistently been doing vert well there while English have not. One game might not tell the full story but 5-10 years does.

BTW using your concept of PL being on a completely different level to La Liga, almost like they are playing a different, better sport, Liverpool's win against Villarreal was far from impressive. I'd have expected an absolute thrashing.
 
Barcelona, Real Madrid and Atletico are the best teams in Europe. The average game in the EPl is unwatchable. These teams can't pass properly and build up properly and it just because a sit back and counter exercise. I will cite Las Palmas once again, they play better football and pass better than any team in the EPL. Sunderland? Hull City? Middlesborough? These teams are all terrible.
West Ham showed their quality once again in Europe against a team that was going through so much scandal. The fact that the the #6 roel that had been in Europe since the 70s was called the makelel position in England simply because everyone played 442 and now Makelele is deified as some myythical defensive MF examplifies how far behind England are behind the continent.

You better tell all those billions of people around the world who watch the Premiership that it is rubbish, & they should be watching the mighty La Liga instead. Perhaps, there is a reason more people watch it than the other leagues, which is what you & others don't like. Watching those preening idiots in Spain & elsewhere falling down & rolling around, whilst the game stop & starts every few seconds, is something most of us can do without.
 
You better tell all those billions of people around the world who watch the Premiership that it is rubbish, & they should be watching the mighty La Liga instead. Perhaps, there is a reason more people watch it than the other leagues, which is what you & others don't like. Watching those preening idiots in Spain & elsewhere falling down & rolling around, whilst the game stop & starts every few seconds, is something most of us can do without.

Premier League's marketing is far beyond the level of marketing in La Liga, it's not even remotely close, which is why it also generates far bigger commercial income. Millions of people watch crap movies in cinema but don't watch brilliant indepentent cinema, it's not a proof of anything.

Premier League is attractive because it's reasonably competitive, has well known players and its coverage is very good.
 
Premier League's marketing is far beyond the level of marketing in La Liga, it's not even remotely close, which is why it also generates far bigger commercial income. Millions of people watch crap movies in cinema but don't watch brilliant indepentent cinema, it's not a proof of anything.

Premier League is attractive because it's reasonably competitive, has well known players and its coverage is very good.
This never made sense to me. No marketing in the world is better than Ronaldo / Neymar / Messi / Suarez.
The God damn El Classico. Spain being the dominant national side for over a decade.
The PL watchers have their 'lower sides are better than their Spanish counterparts' which gets laughed out of here, but the marketing argument is just as bad.
You may fool people into watching but you can never trick them into staying.
No league gets more hype than the almighty La Liga imo. A few of their broadcasters have a fecking El Classico countodown clock.
 
Premier League's marketing is far beyond the level of marketing in La Liga, it's not even remotely close, which is why it also generates far bigger commercial income. Millions of people watch crap movies in cinema but don't watch brilliant indepentent cinema, it's not a proof of anything.

Premier League is attractive because it's reasonably competitive, has well known players and its coverage is very good.

Their marketing maybe second to none, but if what you have said previously about the average game being unwatchable, you would think fans who watch these game wouldn't watch it again, but they do, & not interested in La Liga & the others. I wonder why.

Bit of an elitist comment about millions of people watching crap in moves, & not watching the brilliant independent cinema, though not so surprising considering your views on people viewing the premiership. Who are you to say what is crap & what is good. I like different sorts of films, big budget & independent, but my opinions are no more relevant than anyone else's. Someone's crap is another's classic.
 
Their marketing maybe second to none, but if what you have said previously about the average game being unwatchable, you would think fans who watch these game wouldn't watch it again, but they do, & not interested in La Liga & the others. I wonder why.

Bit of an elitist comment about millions of people watching crap in moves, & not watching the brilliant independent cinema, though not so surprising considering your views on people viewing the premiership. Who are you to say what is crap & what is good. I like different sorts of films, big budget & independent, but my opinions are no more relevant than anyone else's. Someone's crap is another's classic.

I never said anything about average game unwatchable.
 
You better tell all those billions of people around the world who watch the Premiership that it is rubbish, & they should be watching the mighty La Liga instead. Perhaps, there is a reason more people watch it than the other leagues, which is what you & others don't like. Watching those preening idiots in Spain & elsewhere falling down & rolling around, whilst the game stop & starts every few seconds, is something most of us can do without.
What a silly and archaic description of La Liga. You clearly dont watch much of it.

It seems you can also do without watching the world's top footballers?

This never made sense to me. No marketing in the world is better than Ronaldo / Neymar / Messi / Suarez.
The God damn El Classico. Spain being the dominant national side for over a decade.
The PL watchers have their 'lower sides are better than their Spanish counterparts' which gets laughed out of here, but the marketing argument is just as bad.
You may fool people into watching but you can never trick them into staying.
No league gets more hype than the almighty La Liga imo. A few of their broadcasters have a fecking El Classico countodown clock.
Nah, La Liga should idealistically be the best marketed by virtue of having the best players and quality. But the correlation between hype and quality is not always a linear one. The PL programming is comfortably the best by miles. I think it's partly because English is the "global language" and hence that makes anything American or English more easily relatable for those from other countries. And then there is of course how well you brand the league. Not to mention the pace of the league also leads to a lot of excitement.
 
Their marketing maybe second to none, but if what you have said previously about the average game being unwatchable, you would think fans who watch these game wouldn't watch it again, but they do, & not interested in La Liga & the others. I wonder why.

Bit of an elitist comment about millions of people watching crap in moves, & not watching the brilliant independent cinema, though not so surprising considering your views on people viewing the premiership. Who are you to say what is crap & what is good. I like different sorts of films, big budget & independent, but my opinions are no more relevant than anyone else's. Someone's crap is another's classic.
This is definitely true. Not sure it completely translates to this comparison as the PL is a genuinely brilliant league.
 
This never made sense to me. No marketing in the world is better than Ronaldo / Neymar / Messi / Suarez.
The God damn El Classico. Spain being the dominant national side for over a decade.
The PL watchers have their 'lower sides are better than their Spanish counterparts' which gets laughed out of here, but the marketing argument is just as bad.
You may fool people into watching but you can never trick them into staying.
No league gets more hype than the almighty La Liga imo. A few of their broadcasters have a fecking El Classico countodown clock.
This never made sense to me. No marketing in the world is better than Ronaldo / Neymar / Messi / Suarez.
The God damn El Classico. Spain being the dominant national side for over a decade.
The PL watchers have their 'lower sides are better than their Spanish counterparts' which gets laughed out of here, but the marketing argument is just as bad.
You may fool people into watching but you can never trick them into staying.
No league gets more hype than the almighty La Liga imo. A few of their broadcasters have a fecking El Classico countodown clock.

That's why El Clasico is perhaps the most popular and watched game in football. The league as a whole is not pumping money into marketing, stadiums are not great looking, even the language barrier is something that works against La Liga as more people worldwide (especially in Asia) speak English. The average Las Palmas v Sevilla game has no hype at all.
 
Their marketing maybe second to none, but if what you have said previously about the average game being unwatchable, you would think fans who watch these game wouldn't watch it again, but they do, & not interested in La Liga & the others. I wonder why.

Bit of an elitist comment about millions of people watching crap in moves, & not watching the brilliant independent cinema, though not so surprising considering your views on people viewing the premiership. Who are you to say what is crap & what is good. I like different sorts of films, big budget & independent, but my opinions are no more relevant than anyone else's. Someone's crap is another's classic.

How is that elitist? Batman v Superman which is a terrible movie generated $900m of box office, according to your twisted logic it has to be a great product. On the other hand Whiplash got $49m, what a terrible movie it has to be. Honestly, BvS is a perfect example of people watching crap because of marketing. I reckon vast majority of people who bought a ticket will have been baffled at how awful it was.

Funny how you consider me condescending there when you are dismissing people who watch La Liga yourself.
 
That's why El Clasico is perhaps the most popular and watched game in football. The league as a whole is not pumping money into marketing, stadiums are not great looking, even the language barrier is something that works against La Liga as more people worldwide (especially in Asia) speak English. The average Las Palmas v Sevilla game has no hype at all.
But it's not the most popular and most watched game though? I even remember Chelsea v City having the biggest audience a few season back. La Liga suddenly doesn't produce more broadcasters for two games a season. That's what holds them back from having that mantle.
The main point for me is English football has a unique style that doesn't translate over to other leagues.
Spain and England have two seperate brands of football. It's nothing to do with marketing imo, it's simply what fans enjoy watching.
As a league we have lost star after star to Spain. The national side is dog shit and we are forever embarassed in Europe to the Spanish sides who win every European competition in their path...yet English audiences and tv deals are sky rocketing.
How in God's name is our league based on hype and marketing?
It's just a lazy point scoring exercise that can't be proven or disproven.
 
In an astonishing outburst, Jurgen Klopp has claimed that the standards in LaLiga are so poor that Barcelona could use their B team half the time.

The Liverpool coach was also surprised at the lack of motivation from the Blaugrana in their recent Wembley friendly.

According to an interview given to the Daily Mail, the German compared playing in the Spanish top flight was akin to a training session.

"The main difference with Spain is that Barcelona can play 50% of their matches with the B team.

"Messi runs 4.3 kilometres and they score five goals - it's like a recovery session.

"That doesn't happen in any match in England.

"We played against them at Wembley and in the tunnel their players were yawning, stretching and looking around.

"We won, but they could have scored five."


http://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2016/09/03/57caa850e2704ed62f8b45cf.html

Ha, funny how different interpretations of the same quotes can be! I read the entire interview, and thought he generally came across well. Here, he's actually talking about the physicality and (realtive) equality in the English game. He was generally talking about how even the so-called smaller teams in England have good players and big fan bases and good stadiums. He was on about how they'd play a 'small' team with a big stadium and a terrible pitch, and he'd think "these conditions aren't suited to good level football" and then the opposition would come in and really get stuck in, play hard etc. He made a point to say that there are big scorelines in other leagues when big teams play, and those are harder to get in England and to get them, you have to break the opposition at the right time in the match.

Then the first sentence is terrible because Barcelona have top players outside of the first eleven, so obviously they can play them and win. These players will also win in Germany, England or even in CL. It doesn't say anything about La Liga standards.

Those quotes were just him joining a long lost of foreign coaches in complaining about the (lack of a) winter break. So, when he talks of a recovery match, he also mentioned that teams like United and City have big squads (unlike a relatively small group at Liverpool) so they can also sometimes play 2 teams and rotate when there are games around Christmas. But even for them, "you play the weekend before Christmas, then on Boxing Day, then again on New Year's eve and then again on the weekend", and even big squads struggle with it, with him emphasisng how physical most teams are. The quote about Messi not running but still scoring 5 is obviously a bit disparaging though. The point though (I think) was that the gap is much bigger so they can play a little below their best and get away with it.

What does that even mean, that Liverpool is even worse than those teams?

There he was actually praising Barcelona and, later in the interview, Pogba. He was talking about how some athletes have a natural physical fitness that you cannot train. So, he gave an example about how he once saw Maradona play, and in warm-up, Maradona was generally quite lazy, kicking the ball about, shoes undone etc. And then the match started and for 90 mins, Maradona outplayed everybody. He also gave the example of Pogba, saying something along the lines of "We saw Pogba, and he had an extended holiday, and was all over social media with a selfie here, there, 9000 selfies on Instagram, then he signs for United, trains a week, and then plays well for 90 mins against Southampton, no issues." And he was basically saying that is innate, and something most players just don't have, and can't be trained to have. So, he was saying the same about Barcelona. That, in the tunnel, they were yawning, generally lazy, looking around like tourists, and then on the pitch, no issues, Liverpool scored 4, but could easily have conceded 5.

I can't believe I'm actually defending the Liverpool manager :D

Anyway, I'd recommend reading the original interview. It's fairly interesting (as interviews with top coaches often tend to be): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...p-m-not-saying-world-s-best-m-quite-good.html

Fair play for saying what everyone is thinking.

Oh, come off it. If Premier League teams were so much better, they wouldn't constantly look like they won a contest to be on the same pitch as Real, Barcelona, Bayern etc.
 
But it's not the most popular and most watched game though? I even remember Chelsea v City having the biggest audience a few season back. La Liga suddenly doesn't produce more broadcasters for two games a season. That's what holds them back from having that mantle.
The main point for me is English football has a unique style that doesn't translate over to other leagues.
Spain and England have two seperate brands of football. It's nothing to do with marketing imo, it's simply what fans enjoy watching.
As a league we have lost star after star to Spain. The national side is dog shit and we are forever embarassed in Europe to the Spanish sides who win every European competition in their path...yet English audiences and tv deals are sky rocketing.
How in God's name is our league based on hype and marketing?
It's just a lazy point scoring exercise that can't be proven or disproven.

It was a lie about Chelsea v City game, Sky used a figure that was based on how many people had access to the game and it was 650 million but not all of them watched this obviously. Quite good example of hype and marketing, actually. PL having some incredible brand of football is another myth, it's different like every other league is different from another one. Compared to Bundesliga for instance the style of football is not really completely dissimilar.
 
Bayern have lost to Premier League teams quite often recently haven't they?

I think they've lost to Arsenal a couple of times but they've also handed their fair shair of spankings. Beat Arsenal 3-0 at the Emirates in the treble season, beat them 2-0 in Guardiola's first season- with Toni Kroos alone having more passes than the entire Arsenal midfield, lost to Arsenal in the group stages but beat them 5-1 (?) in the reverse fixture. Beat us 4-1 (?) under Moyes. They've generally done well. Not to mention each of the last 3 EL and CL have been won by a Spanish team, with the final being an all-Spanish game on at least 3 occassions.
 
Bayern have lost to Premier League teams quite often recently haven't they?

Not really in games that mattered they didn't. Knocked out United and Arsenal (twice), beat Arsenal and City a lot in the groups aside from dead rubber games against City and that one freak Arsenal result last year which they avenged by embarrassing them in Munich.
 
Think it's only a matter of time before both Manchester clubs reach the Madrid/Bayern/Barca trio simply because financially, you lot blow every other team in the World out the water including all the English clubs as well as the coup of acquiring both Mourinho & Guardiola.

The large majority of the World's best will be plying their trade at those clubs while the rest of us will have to make do with 2nd/3rd tier calibre players.
 
Those quotes were just him joining a long lost of foreign coaches in complaining about the (lack of a) winter break. So, when he talks of a recovery match, he also mentioned that teams like United and City have big squads (unlike a relatively small group at Liverpool) so they can also sometimes play 2 teams and rotate when there are games around Christmas. But even for them, "you play the weekend before Christmas, then on Boxing Day, then again on New Year's eve and then again on the weekend", and even big squads struggle with it, with him emphasisng how physical most teams are. The quote about Messi not running but still scoring 5 is obviously a bit disparaging though. The point though (I think) was that the gap is much bigger so they can play a little below their best and get away with it.

There is no winter break in Spain and January-February is stacked with teams playing every 3 days.
 
It was a lie about Chelsea v City game, Sky used a figure that was based on how many people had access to the game and it was 650 million but not all of them watched this obviously. Quite good example of hype and marketing, actually. PL having some incredible brand of football is another myth, it's different like every other league is different from another one. Compared to Bundesliga for instance the style of football is not really completely dissimilar.
What was the numbers then? Has it been disproved?
 
There are more glamour sides in England.

West fecking Ham are about the 8th best team in England but have one of the best number 10's in the world. You can more or less name a superstar in every side. That's not possible in Spain.
 
What was the numbers then? Has it been disproved?
There were many articles that disproved it back then. The real numbers are impossible to know, simply cause there is no way of finding it.

Saying that, I would be surprised if United-Liverpool, Barca-Real and UCL final aren't the top 3 matches (in no particular order).
 
There are more glamour sides in England.

West fecking Ham are about the 8th best team in England but have one of the best number 10's in the world. You can more or less name a superstar in every side. That's not possible in Spain.

The trouble is Payet is now rated and people in England recognize his talent because they know him but two years ago when he was playing in France everyone would have dismissed him. How many players like that or Kante, Mahrez are out there?
 
There are more glamour sides in England.

West fecking Ham are about the 8th best team in England but have one of the best number 10's in the world. You can more or less name a superstar in every side. That's not possible in Spain.

I heard the name Payet the first time during the Euros. Is he already a superstar? I think you are a superstar when you have shown it in all competitions for not just one season.
 
Simplistic to put the Premier League's popularity just down to marketing.
 
I heard the name Payet the first time during the Euros. Is he already a superstar? I think you are a superstar when you have shown it in all competitions for not just one season.
He was incredible in his last season in France (top assister in Europe, I think), then in his first season in England, then on the big stage at the Euros.

People tune in just to watch him. I know I do. There are few matches in the PL where there isn't at least one player I really like to watch.
 
Saturday, Sep 10 2016


12:30
Manchester United vs Manchester City

15:00
Middlesbrough vs Crystal Palace

15:00
Stoke vs Tottenham

15:00
Arsenal vs Southampton

15:00
Bournemouth vs West Bromwich Albion

15:00
Burnley vs Hull

15:00
West Ham vs Watford

17:30
Liverpool vs Leicester

Sunday, Sep 11 2016

16:00
Swansea vs Chelsea

Monday, Sep 12 2016

20:00
Sunderland vs Everton
https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/15
10 matches next weekend. 7 of them I'd really like to watch because of the players involved.
 
He was incredible in his last season in France (top assister in Europe, I think), then in his first season in England, then on the big stage at the Euros.

That was de Bruyne.

I just do not like the definition of superstar. For me that really means that somebody has shown his value on various stages not just once. Payet is a player that is on the way up - who still has to repeat it when he is not "the new guy".

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Liverpool vs Leicester reminds me of Dortmund vs Leverkusen 2 years ago when nobody of them wanted to have the ball and it was just a match of pressing and hoofing. About the worst match of both teams I have seen. Dortmund had a passing percentage of 43 %.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/8...-2014-2015-Bayer-Leverkusen-Borussia-Dortmund
 
That was de Bruyne.
Ah, yeah. De Bruyne had more assists that season. But Payet was the top chance creator in Europe. 133 chances created. De Bruyne was second with 111. Nobody else got into triple figures. Whichever way you look at it, the guy was immense that year for Marseille.
 
Funny thing that even a lot of Spaniards think that PL is better then La Liga. The other day i was in an Erasmus party, speaking with a bunch (around 10) football enthusiastic Spaniards, and they all agreed - amazingly :smirk: - that PL is way better (all from northern Spain, no Real or Barca fans). Probably having access to the best covering and analysis of their own league, they said that apart from El Classico, there are barely watchable games. They hate the playacting and whining in this league, alongside interruptions every other minute. They told me they follow the PL way more, because it's more exciting.
Seems like most people here who are hyping this league so much never watch any league games, and gather all their "knowledge" from some Europa league games, or statistics. Seems like mostly frustrated fans, who are jealous that the PL steals their leagues best players every year.
If you'd seriously watch their league games, and i mean not El Classico, but some random game, they are mostly boring to death. I am watching random games of La Liga for years (well not completely random, but games i hope will turn out interesting), and 90% of them are low on quality and boring. Of course there is the odd exciting game, like Las Palmas against Granada last week, but that's surely not representative of the whole league. Some people here stating about the Tottenham against Liverpool game beeing so low on quality ... one game. Well, Vigo against Real Madrid was even worse, no team could even put 5 passes together without making mistakes. Taking one, or even a few games will never be representative. If you watch a considerable amount of games, a 100 or more over a few years, then you have a fairly represenative amount of games. And in my opinion, 90 of those 100 games in La Liga are no joy to watch. In the PL more then 50% of the live games i watch are really enjoying and exciting, and that's the reason i like this league the most, nothing else. In the PL almost every team has 2 or 3 brilliant players, who are a joy to watch, who excite people in a game. In La Liga there are maybe 6 or 7 of those teams.
And it's probably the same for a billion people on our planet, at least that's what the viewing figures tell us.
 
Funny thing that even a lot of Spaniards think that PL is better then La Liga. The other day i was in an Erasmus party, speaking with a bunch (around 10) football enthusiastic Spaniards, and they all agreed - amazingly :smirk: - that PL is way better (all from northern Spain, no Real or Barca fans). Probably having access to the best covering and analysis of their own league, they said that apart from El Classico, there are barely watchable games. They hate the playacting and whining in this league, alongside interruptions every other minute. They told me they follow the PL way more, because it's more exciting.
Seems like most people here who are hyping this league so much never watch any league games, and gather all their "knowledge" from some Europa league games, or statistics. Seems like mostly frustrated fans, who are jealous that the PL steals their leagues best players every year.
If you'd seriously watch their league games, and i mean not El Classico, but some random game, they are mostly boring to death. I am watching random games of La Liga for years (well not completely random, but games i hope will turn out interesting), and 90% of them are low on quality and boring. Of course there is the odd exciting game, like Las Palmas against Granada last week, but that's surely not representative of the whole league. Some people here stating about the Tottenham against Liverpool game beeing so low on quality ... one game. Well, Vigo against Real Madrid was even worse, no team could even put 5 passes together without making mistakes. Taking one, or even a few games will never be representative. If you watch a considerable amount of games, a 100 or more over a few years, then you have a fairly represenative amount of games. And in my opinion, 90 of those 100 games in La Liga are no joy to watch. In the PL more then 50% of the live games i watch are really enjoying and exciting, and that's the reason i like this league the most, nothing else. In the PL almost every team has 2 or 3 brilliant players, who are a joy to watch, who excite people in a game. In La Liga there are maybe 6 or 7 of those teams.
And it's probably the same for a billion people on our planet, at least that's what the viewing figures tell us.

Enjoying games is completely subjective yet you cite your opinion as some sort of a benchmark. I travel to Spain quite often and people where I am love their league and watch it very frequently, not sure who you met there but it's not at all representative of what the whole nation thinks.

Saying that every team in PL has 2-3 brilliant players is also quite ridiculous when you have teams like Sunderland, Hull, West Brom, Bournemouth or Burnley in the league and all of them are just full of bang on average players.

The thing is that people like you cannot find the middle ground. People who like La Liga will likely say it's better and they enjoy it more but will most of the time say that Premier League is also a good league. PL obsessed people like you will just say things like above about 90% of games being utterly dreadful, teams being full of abysmal idiots and the difference in quality being so incredibly big that all La Liga teams would probably be expected to get relegated in the amazing PL. Why can't you have a balanced opinion? Both leagues are good, Bundesliga and Serie A are also good. There's no fecking way that any of them is streets ahead like PL maniacs are suggesting.

I personally prefer watching Premier League, recognize La Liga as the best in terms of quality because evidence is cleary there and will happily admit that I think Serie A and Bundesliga are good leagues. I don't think any of top 4 leagues is boring, abysmal, shite.
 
This never made sense to me. No marketing in the world is better than Ronaldo / Neymar / Messi / Suarez.
The God damn El Classico. Spain being the dominant national side for over a decade.
The PL watchers have their 'lower sides are better than their Spanish counterparts' which gets laughed out of here, but the marketing argument is just as bad.
You may fool people into watching but you can never trick them into staying.
No league gets more hype than the almighty La Liga imo. A few of their broadcasters have a fecking El Classico countodown clock.

Being from outside Europe, this is my perspective.
2006: I followed EPL because EPL was the football on TV, EPL results sometimes even crept into Indian sports news, matches were shown live at nice times with proper pre-match post-match analysis, and a ton of other people, incl all my friends, watch EPL.

After EPL I started watching the CL when United were involved.

Once I got very interested in football I started watching some neutral matches like the CL Final and the Clasico. Then online I read that Pep was building a great team, so I started watching Barca matches when I could see them - this happened literally 2/3 times the whole season.

In a few years I was watching all "big" CL games, and a few big La Liga games while ignoring Spurs-Arse, for example. With La Liga I always assumed: nice passing, good dribbling rubbish defending, and would lose to a "proper" English team. This changed after 2009 CL, the Bilbao EL games, and more than that, a Barca-Bilbao match which ended 2-2 and was tactics-wise the best match I had seen that season.
After that I tried to catch Dortmund who IMO play the best football in Europe.


But watching La Liga and BL was really hard, and if I randomly switched to a sports channel I'd get a EPL match, advert, repeat, or build-up. That's why they are everyone's entry point, and by then you've chosen a team...so people tend to stick with it.
 
There is no winter break in Spain and January-February is stacked with teams playing every 3 days.

I'm not defending the quotes, just trying my best to point out what he was on about. The Marca quotes make the "astonishing outburst" seem worse than it is.

Also, Spain does have a winter break? It was just shortened this year because Del Bosque wanted the squad together before the Euros so got fixtures pushed up, I think. Obviously, they have a relatively short break and they do have tight schedules, especially with them often going deep into European competitions. The crying over winter breaks and the "relative strength of the Premier League" is just a poor excuse IMO for the teams not being as good as they were in the mid-2000s. They seemed to do just fine without a winter break then!
 
Yeah, that Tottenham - Liverpool was a masterpiece of a match. The tactical level displayed was that of a third division match.
Always get a chuckle when the EPL fans slag all the other leagues and call them shit, boring etc, which is their opinion obviously. However if you look at all the games that the EPL has shown on TV so far this year, it's embarrassing to witness how poor they've been on the whole for the apparent best league in the world, most exciting and so on....

Hull vs Leicester - 4/10
City vs Sunderland - 3/10
Bournemouth vs Man United - 5/10
Arsenal vs Liverpool - 9/10
Chelsea vs WHU - 5/10
Man United vs Southampton - 5/10
Stoke vs Man City - 5.5/10
Leicester vs Arsenal - 4/10
Sunderland vs Boro - 4/10
WHU vs Bournemouth - 1/10
Spurs vs Liverpool - 5/10
Hull vs Man United - 4/10
West Brom vs Boro - 0/10
Man City vs WHU - 6/10