The US talent that once would have boxed now goes to NFL and NBA.
Plenty of good fighters at lower weight but people's attention span is so short these days they just crave big guys punching each other out.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
Plenty of good fighters at lower weight but people's attention span is so short these days they just crave big guys punching each other out.
That's why i specified heavyweight but come on, the heavyweight category has always been the star attraction of the sport.
It’s not wrong to expect some sort of standard. Otherwise where would we be?
Tyson’s team kept it well hidden just how shot his legs were and his glove biting and face coming to the ring suggested he wasn’t even mentally prepared to take it on.
It’s all well and good saying “what did you expect”, but that was worse than anything anyone could have imagined and people have the right to question it.
I don’t care about ages and experience. If you are sold a fight, and that is what you get, it’s deceitful and dishonest and should be called out for the sham that it was.
It's a good question. Tempting to say that it is basically the same in football with the players of yesteryears all having more mythical figures because of no social media etc. But it doesn't really translate well, because it is also about style and character which there is obviously still room for in boxing. In my opinion the biggest issue is promoters and the fighters themselves seemingly being obsessed with protecting careers and legacies. Champions padding their wins against fodder has always been a thing in boxing but the roundabouts to avoid the best fighting each other is taken to an absurd level. I'm not convinced Wilder, Fury, Usyk, Joshua, Zhang and Joe Joyce is that bad of a generation all fighting at the same time but they absolutely do need to Fight each other at the top of the hype. The timelines since Fury returned has been awfully managed. UFC is a good example that you can still generate absolute loads of hype in combat sports when the best consistently fights the best. Jon Jones cleaning out his division, and then creating a persona that made someone like DC obsessed with beating him was fantastic 10 odd years ago. Anderson Silva and GSP always having to fight the best in their division were exciting and made the brand valuable. The heavyweight division were a free-for-all. But it is also an example of where it can maybe go a bit wrong, because even though they are not all the way there yet they have made similiar decisions and adjustments to boxing in the last couple of years. People like McGregor and Jones holding up their divisions at the top of their hype either with escapades in other sports, or picking their fights. People obsessing with their records, or "double-champ" status, either getting protected from styles they don't suit or getting elevated into positions they don't deserve to early making a mockery of whole divisions. Even McGregor were thrown in with a juiced up Mendes in a fight he very easily could have lost very early into his "cash-cow" tenure, and he also had to generate obscene amount of interest and a title-win in impressive fashion before he got the Dos Anjos fight to become two division champ. And even that were farcical, but atleast you could understand it with how massive of a cult of personality he were. But now the standards have fallen, and everyone gets these opportunities it feels like without generating hype at all.
The best needs to consistently fight the best at the right time, and worry about the brand of the competition and not the individual fighter. That is where boxing, and especially the heavyweight division has failed spectaculary for years
I miss the Lennox Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield days. They don't make them like that anymore.
The Social Media addicted public with any interest in boxing values US Heavyweights over anyone else. Fury, Joshua and Dubois mean little outside their homeland.
The US Heavy scene at the moment is bereft of excitement. Ruiz is old and fat, Wilder is done. Even Anderson shat the bed as soon as he got some hype. Their best hope is Torrez Jr who is undersized.
Hardcore fans would enjoy for instance Zhang v Bakole or Kabayel v Itauma but commercialy they're undercard level contests.
UFC and WWE rule the roost at the moment. Boxing needs such as Paul, Tank and Canelo to stay relevant.
I can almost taste the salt in this thread over Katie Taylor.
The Taylor-Serrano fight was epic but the Netflix reception was shit, kept stalling on me!
The Tyson-Paul fight was a bit farcical. Tyson could barely walk, I think Paul could have finished him off if he really wanted to. I hope Tyson got a nice pay day out of it because God knows he never made as much money out of the sport as he deserved.
The Tyson-Paul fight was a bit farcical. Tyson could barely walk, I think Paul could have finished him off if he really wanted to. I hope Tyson got a nice pay day out of it because God knows he never made as much money out of the sport as he deserved.
Not sure. I think especially Fury has as big of a reach in popularity and interest as you could hope for in a boxer now. He is never going to be as universally revered, liked or hated as the likes of Tyson or Ali, but his appeal is massive. There were a time after Wilder v Fury 1 where a Fury v Joshua bout on british soil would have been seen as a massive event even by the US crowd. And if these types of fights happens when need to to it validates the whole division. But it slipped away and the division were worse off.
I think they are trying to build those on top into these mythical creatures by keeping them away from each other, but what happens is that no one has any reference point in these discussions what so ever. It's all a bit meh.
Wilder got schooled technically by Fury in three fights to the surprise of no one, but he did get to showcase that he is a tough determined fecker and that his power is real. You could argue that two losses and a draw to Fury did more for Wilders legacy than every single fight he ever had before in his career. It is baffling that promoters seems so obsessed with not having these guys lose to each other
What exactly did he do to be so hated? I know literally nothing about the guy just that he made millions from YouTube and now from fighting other YouTubers
Do you personally know Itauma by any chance? The way you go on about him, you might as well be his promoter!
Interestingly there have been so many good fighters on Nigerian descent in the last few years. Must be in the genes!
Signs weren’t good when Mike nearly stumbled walking in a straight line to the ring, it was actually sad to see. I know he’s completely washed and only 35 years off his prime but I still believe if it were a genuine fight and Mike went all out for just one round he’d catch Paul and hurt him badly.
Don’t have to like them but the Paul brothers are big draws in today’s media world, so he may be a cnut but he did help Mike to a £20m payday without getting hurt.
The final nail for boxing would be if somebody like Canelo agreed to a ‘fight’ and we get another predetermined exhibition dressed up as a legit bout.
Don’t have to like them but the Paul brothers are big draws in today’s media world, so he may be a cnut but he did help Mike to a £20m payday without getting hurt.
The final nail for boxing would be if somebody like Canelo agreed to a ‘fight’ and we get another predetermined exhibition dressed up as a legit bout.
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Can't believe folk watched it. Heard it was scripted.
It is not elite sport and it cannot be classed as reality TV.
It is just two bums trying to make a fortune and having to con Joe public to facilitate it.
If Lady Gaga and Beyonce could not make any money from music anymore and were broke and they decided to get it on in the ring then I am sure they would make good coin from it.
People just love to see confrontation and reaction more than the actual event which rarely lives up to the hype anyway.
Pretty decent unification fight on tonight. Chris Billam -Smith trying to add the WBA championship to his WBO crown. Will be better than the scripted fight from last night
Just to check I wasn't looking back through rose tinted glasses I re-watched a couple of Lennox Lewis fights as he was the last undisputed champion. Usyk and Fury wouldn't get near him. The power and pace is on a different plane.
He's hated (not by me) for being a young punk who became rich by doing something that many don't understand or respect.
He's now padding his record against has beens and non boxers and many want him flattened by a bona fide boxer.
I was very young in the early 90's and not everyone in my village had a TV so the village folks would set up an area where everyone could go watch. It's one of my favorite childhood memories.
They were on a different level back then. Not sure why they've all gone soft now. The sport is slowly dying and it's a damn shame.
Racism
Scamming his audience
Sexual assault
Crypto scam
Then he's been padding his boxing record against retired MMA fighters.
Man's a tool. Just like his idiot brother.
Yet people keep watching and lining his pockets. It's like it pays to be a whopper these days.
At least with Logan, he actually holds his own in wwe from the clips I've seen online.
This guy is making a mockery of boxing and probably makes more money than most professional boxers. Crazy.
Memories like that are awesome. Little things like that are massive when you are young
Those were events that lived up to the hype
I’d say three best eras are:
80s middleweights/ welterweights- Hagler, Duran, Ray Leonard, Hearns, John beast Mugabi, Mcallum, and more
70s Heavyweights- Ali, Frazier, Norton, Forman, Shavers, Larry Holmes,Ellis,Lyle
90s Heavyweights- Lewis, Tyson , Holyfield, Forman but not half the man he was, Moorer
In the end I didn’t bother watching, even though I was up. Ending up playing Fortnite with my daughter instead. I realised there was only one outcome that was acceptable, a Paul victory. Losing to a 60 year old would’ve been the end for this whole shambles of a hype train he has going. Someone getting properly hurt would’ve also been the end of it. So a routine, boring, shambolic Paul victory was the only logical outcome, and so it proved. All meaning he can repeat this nonsense again, with another senior citizen icon.
People seemed legitimately angry at the farce they were presented with, but next time the hype trains starts for Paul vs Holyfield, or whoever they’ll wheel out next, people will tune in and watch. Completely pointless as the result and entire spectacle is pre-determined. Despite what I saw yesterday, I’m still 100% sure if Iron Mike saw Paul in an alley, he’d beat him to death.
People seemed legitimately angry at the farce they were presented with, but next time the hype trains starts for Paul vs Holyfield, or whoever they’ll wheel out next, people will tune in and watch. Completely pointless as the result and entire spectacle is pre-determined. Despite what I saw yesterday, I’m still 100% sure if Iron Mike saw Paul in an alley, he’d beat him to death.
First memories of boxing was my dad waking me up in the middle of the night to come watch Tyson v Trevor Berbick and feeling sorry for Berbick falling all over the ring.
Still watch the older fights every now and again
Ever seen Hagler- Hearns? Best three rounds in history.
Didn’t watch it at the time but have watched it a few times on YouTube. Hagler was relentless
Taylor should have been disqualified. Poor refereeing.
Hysterical nonsense
He wouldn't - age is a thing and Jake Paul despite being a brat in many ways has worked himself through a different type of journeymen to become a decent fighter.
Not to the level on any serious boxer, but I'd wager he'd do Ok against a lot of the no name journey men that proper boxers face up against in their first few pro fights
Iron Mike? He's just old
Nah, that’s not possible when Jake Paul is involved. He’d never take Froch up on his offer anyway as he knows full well he’d be sparked clean out.
Usually the case with Froch tbf
He definitely is in this scenario. Especially when you consider he's married himself
True, that comment was a bit daft, but who knows maybe Froch’s wife is happy to get in on the act with Carl and Jake’s girl.
"you're broke salty ass"
Why do American insults always sound so shit?
Can't they just grow up and call people nonces or cnuts?
Why do American insults always sound so shit?
Can't they just grow up and call people nonces or cnuts?
Froch looking for a pay day.
He wouldn't win against MrYoutube. Script wouldn't allow it
He wouldn't win against MrYoutube. Script wouldn't allow it