What?!
Why on earth would Khan take that fight? He will never be able to beat Mayweather, ever. It would be complete humiliation for him.
And for that reason I hope it happens!
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And for that reason I hope it happens!
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Thank god!
Would that be a "major announcement", though? For all intents and purposes he has been retired. He even had his license revoked.
He was great in his early days, just found wanting at the very highest level.
No shame in that.
Off to a career of after dinner speaking and eating now.
No shame in that.
Off to a career of after dinner speaking and eating now.
His home away from home.
Good to hear, he couldn't have gotten back in the ring again and gotten anywhere near the level he would have wanted. Must be a sad day to hang up the gloves but he did the right thing.
Good to hear, he couldn't have gotten back in the ring again and gotten anywhere near the level he would have wanted. Must be a sad day to hang up the gloves but he did the right thing.
Yep, no shame in losing to two of the best fighters of this generation, fighters who may well be remembered as all-time greats
For the people not giving Pac a chance against Mayweather, lets remember that Floyd has had problems against lesser fighters than Manny (Castillo somewhat and ODLH, which some people think he lost). It's by no means a closed book. Pac has a very good chance. He won't stop putting the pressure on and Floyd has never faced anyone as good as Pacquiao.
Similarly, it's the same for Pacquiao. He's never faced anyone as good as Floyd. But that's why I'm not saying it's a definite either way. Anyone who says one is definitely going to beat the other is more than likely biased, and probably doesn't have much interest in the sport apart from the big fights and hype.
Similarly, it's the same for Pacquiao. He's never faced anyone as good as Floyd. But that's why I'm not saying it's a definite either way. Anyone who says one is definitely going to beat the other is more than likely biased, and probably doesn't have much interest in the sport apart from the big fights and hype.
I still wonder what would have happened had Hatton been allowed to get in Floyd's face a bit more by a better ref. He'd more than likely still have been beaten, but it would have been interesting to see if he could have made anything of it without being pulled off every time he got some momentum going.
He had a very good career and he seems like a sound guy does Ricky, it's a shame he's a bitter. Confirming his retirement is definitely the right move though, he couldn't hack it any more. If he'd kept himself in shape between bouts and looked after his conditioning a bit better who knows, but definitely the right decision now.
He had a very good career and he seems like a sound guy does Ricky, it's a shame he's a bitter. Confirming his retirement is definitely the right move though, he couldn't hack it any more. If he'd kept himself in shape between bouts and looked after his conditioning a bit better who knows, but definitely the right decision now.
Not confirmed yet but its looking like a rematch between Macklin & Sturm in Cologne on November 25th or 26th. The least Macklin deserves, even German TV were embarrassed by the decision the last night when they had Macklin down as winning the fight by four rounds.
Let's go round again - Macklin-Sturm rematch close to being set
Let's go round again - Macklin-Sturm rematch close to being set
Dela Hoya: Mayweather will beat Pacquiao | ABS-CBN News | Latest Philippine Headlines, Breaking News, Video, Analysis, Features
Bernard Hopkins says Floyd Mayweather Jr will beat Manny Pacquiao - Latest Boxing News: P4P and Division Rankings, Boxers Profile, Fight Schedule
Ricky Hatton: Floyd Mayweather would beat Manny Pacquiao because he's 'hard to hit' | MLive.com
IVAN CALDERON:
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/...ould-beat-him/
The list goes on and on. All likely biased, of course, and probably don't have much interest in the sport apart from the big fights and hype.
Seriously, who let this Nanderson idiot out of his cell?
I have to think Mayweather will win as well, but hey, I thought Haye would win
But I'm more confident in Mayweather, I hope Khan doesn't get in the way of this fight happening
But I'm more confident in Mayweather, I hope Khan doesn't get in the way of this fight happening
Dela Hoya: Mayweather will beat Pacquiao | ABS-CBN News | Latest Philippine Headlines, Breaking News, Video, Analysis, Features
Bernard Hopkins says Floyd Mayweather Jr will beat Manny Pacquiao - Latest Boxing News: P4P and Division Rankings, Boxers Profile, Fight Schedule
Ricky Hatton: Floyd Mayweather would beat Manny Pacquiao because he's 'hard to hit' | MLive.com
IVAN CALDERON:
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/05/...ould-beat-him/
The list goes on and on. All likely biased, of course, and probably don't have much interest in the sport apart from the big fights and hype.
Seriously, who let this Nanderson idiot out of his cell?
You're a spectacular idiot, I'll give you that. Not once did I say that predicting a Floyd win is a biased thing to say. I said not giving Manny a chance is biased (which it quite clearly is). I actually said Floyd would be favourite, you utter twat.
DLH is the only one to say that Floyd would definitely win, and since when does anybody listen to DLH? All others favour Floyd, which is fair enough. Bit of a straw man argument you have going. BTW, Steward saying that Manny's fights have been "very carefully picked" is a bit ridiculous when you look at who Floyd has fought in comparison.
So, in summary, you haven't actually said anything. Surprise? No. You know feck all about boxing as you've shown in the lead up to Haye/Klitschko, and you know even less about football. So feck right off, you bellend.
Hatton's a wanker according to everyone in Hattersley.
How old are you?
Your fairly handy at that shit yourself Lance. Particularly in the lead up to the Haye fight. Prick.
I will now address your garbage in full.
So if I say Floyd will beat Pac, that's fine. If I say Floyd will definitely beat Pac, I am biased. Jesus fecking christ...
All people I listed said Floyd would win. I could also make a similar list of people who say Pac will win. I suppose they probably don't have much interest in the sport apart from the big fights and hype, either, right? You are hilarious.
Liar.
No, it isn't. According to you anyone who says Floyd will win is biased. Make up your mind.
You obviously have no idea what a strawman argument is.
So telling the truth is now "a bit ridiculous?"
De La Hoya - forced to come down to 147 for the first time in years.
Cotto - not allowed to weigh in at more than 145, yet his 147 title had to be on the line.
Clottey - very graciously allowed the human heavybag to weigh in at 147.
Margarito - not allowed to weigh in at more than 150, yet the title on the line is 154.
Mosley - Floyd's leftovers.
Marquez - making a guy who's best wins came at 130/135 move up to 144. Another catchweight.
Yes, I have. I have exposed you as an ignoramus. Well, you did that yourself, in fairness.
I took a shit this morning that knows more about boxing than you. It had more personality, too.
You're a spectacular idiot, I'll give you that. Not once did I say that predicting a Floyd win is a biased thing to say.
So if I say Floyd will beat Pac, that's fine. If I say Floyd will definitely beat Pac, I am biased. Jesus fecking christ...
All people I listed said Floyd would win. I could also make a similar list of people who say Pac will win. I suppose they probably don't have much interest in the sport apart from the big fights and hype, either, right? You are hilarious.
Liar.
No, it isn't. According to you anyone who says Floyd will win is biased. Make up your mind.
You obviously have no idea what a strawman argument is.
So telling the truth is now "a bit ridiculous?"
De La Hoya - forced to come down to 147 for the first time in years.
Cotto - not allowed to weigh in at more than 145, yet his 147 title had to be on the line.
Clottey - very graciously allowed the human heavybag to weigh in at 147.
Margarito - not allowed to weigh in at more than 150, yet the title on the line is 154.
Mosley - Floyd's leftovers.
Marquez - making a guy who's best wins came at 130/135 move up to 144. Another catchweight.
Yes, I have. I have exposed you as an ignoramus. Well, you did that yourself, in fairness.
I took a shit this morning that knows more about boxing than you. It had more personality, too.
I've not spoken with everyone who lives in Hattersley, but I think they're all cnuts.
Christ, Lance, you're a pedantic cnut. You know exactly what I mean. Calling the fight is fair enough - saying theres no chance for one to win is idiotic! It's one of the biggest fights of the last few decades if it happens, and you think it's not ridiculous to completely rule out one of them? Fair enough, merely serves to higlight your complete idiocy.
You're a pompous git who thinks he knows more than he does. Shame, you've already shown yourself throughout this thread to be a complete and utter failure in all of your arguments. You're arguing for the sake of it, I've no time for people who try to come across as knowledgable on subjects they're so clearly ignorant of (in your case, boxing and football).
Now, run along like a good little girl.
You're a pompous git who thinks he knows more than he does. Shame, you've already shown yourself throughout this thread to be a complete and utter failure in all of your arguments. You're arguing for the sake of it, I've no time for people who try to come across as knowledgable on subjects they're so clearly ignorant of (in your case, boxing and football).
Now, run along like a good little girl.
Wouldn't bother. He'll try to rebuke an argument you're not making. Lance is easily one of the most worthless posters on the caf, which says quite alot. I mean, what does he/she actually offer? feck all. Certainly no knowledge or insightful comments.
Who said Pac has no chance? Me? Provide me with the relevant quotes please.
So, you have no argument. Shocking.
Your 14 posts in this thread show you to be a real scholar of the game. You have only come out of the woodwork for the Haye/Wlad fight. What was that you were saying about casual "fans" only being interested in big fights and hype?
What?!
So because I'm sure Floyd will win, I either exibit bias or a lack of knowledge for the sport?
Also, has Manny not had problems with much lesser fighters than Floyd, and lost? It's a floored argument, on a large scale. Because neither boxer has faced someone as good as the other, there can't be a clear winner, or favorite?
You're a spectacular idiot, I'll give you that. Not once did I say that predicting a Floyd win is a biased thing to say. I said not giving Manny a chance is biased (which it quite clearly is). I actually said Floyd would be favourite, you utter twat.
DLH is the only one to say that Floyd would definitely win, and since when does anybody listen to DLH? All others favour Floyd, which is fair enough. Bit of a straw man argument you have going. BTW, Steward saying that Manny's fights have been "very carefully picked" is a bit ridiculous when you look at who Floyd has fought in comparison.
So, in summary, you haven't actually said anything. Surprise? No. You know feck all about boxing as you've shown in the lead up to Haye/Klitschko, and you know even less about football. So feck right off, you bellend.
Calm it down Nanderson, you'll get more than a warning next time.
Careful now, Hectic. His insults are something else.
What?!
So because I'm sure Floyd will win, I either exibit bias or a lack of knowledge for the sport?
Also, has Manny not had problems with much lesser fighters than Floyd, and lost? It's a floored argument, on a large scale. Because neither boxer has faced someone as good as the other, there can't be a clear winner, or favorite?
I've just caught up. Lucky for him I made that last post a second ago, or I would have given an infraction.
But yeah, insults and stuff aside, your actual post didn't really make any sense Nando, and your point was spectacularly flawed, and also hyprocritical.
But yeah, insults and stuff aside, your actual post didn't really make any sense Nando, and your point was spectacularly flawed, and also hyprocritical.
I see you have been replying to this thread for 9 minutes.
I'm going to put on some safety measures.
I'm going to put on some safety measures.
I never once claimed that you said Pac has no chance. It was a general statement and I stand by it.
Argument for what? I think anyone who doesn't give either boxer a chance knows feck all about boxing. My opinion - end of. They're two fantastic boxers and we can argue all day about who will win, but the fact is it could go either way, moreso than the vast majority of fights.
I rarely post on redcafe, period. Number of posts is not indicative of knowledge, as is proven by yourself. I don't claim to be an expert, but I follow boxing closely and I couldn't be more sure that my boxing knowledge is greater than yours, although that wouldn't be hard.
Well I would guess that anyone who is "sure" one of them will win is either not giving enough credit to the opponent or perhaps hasn't seen enough of their fights. I can understand people thinking a particular fighter will win. I do think it's a bit silly to say it's a sure thing, or that Pacquiao could not pose serious problems for Floyd (who is 34 now, excellent athlete but a little past his prime).
Fair enough.
As are your posts. Insults are pretty meaningless, you actually mean the shite you come out with.
How was it flawed or hypocritical? Hasn't actually been pointed out. I acknowledge that neither of them have faced an opponent as good as eachother yet, so there's no hypocrisy. I am not arguing that predicting the winner is silly. I am saying that people being full fledged sure that someone is going to win is just stupid! How can someone not acknowledge that the other boxer has a chance in possibly the biggest fight of the last 30 years? It's ludicrous. Disagree if you want, but that's how I and many other people see it.
What?!
So because I'm sure Floyd will win, I either exibit bias or a lack of knowledge for the sport?
Also, has Manny not had problems with much lesser fighters than Floyd, and lost? It's a floored argument, on a large scale. Because neither boxer has faced someone as good as the other, there can't be a clear winner, or favorite?
Manny has had problems with lesser fighters, of course. But he's a different animal completely at 140-147. It's his best weight. I don't think anyone could seriously argue that Pacquiao was better at a lower weight than he is now. And yes, these two boxers are the two greatest of our era, it is a bit silly to say there's going to be a clear winner before the fight.
In your own time.
If you could alter "rarely" to "never", I think we'd all appreciate it.
Hey, it's your fantasy, tell it how you like. The more you say it, the more I believe it. No, really.
So I think Floyd will win. Fine. I think Floyd will be in for a clear win. Suddenly that means I haven't watched enough of Manny?
That's retarded, you are making judgements on absolutely nothing. Just because we don't share your opinion that it will be a close fight, or that it's too close to call outright, we either haven't watched enough of either boxer or are bias?
I don't care how you see it, but what you are saying about people for picking a winner doesn't make sense, and is wrong, because it's based on nothing but how you have taken our view, in comparison to yours.
Yes, a boxing match can go either way. But it doesn't mean there can't be a clear favorite, and even then, it's our own opinion, it doesn't suggest anything about us, least of all a bias or lack of understanding to do with the sport, which you are happy to leap to from nowhere.
That's retarded, you are making judgements on absolutely nothing. Just because we don't share your opinion that it will be a close fight, or that it's too close to call outright, we either haven't watched enough of either boxer or are bias?
I don't care how you see it, but what you are saying about people for picking a winner doesn't make sense, and is wrong, because it's based on nothing but how you have taken our view, in comparison to yours.
Yes, a boxing match can go either way. But it doesn't mean there can't be a clear favorite, and even then, it's our own opinion, it doesn't suggest anything about us, least of all a bias or lack of understanding to do with the sport, which you are happy to leap to from nowhere.
It doesn't make a difference if it's the biggest match of the last 30 years, or the last 100.
Or that they are the best two boxers alive.
What does that have to do with our own evaluation of either boxer.
What seems to be your problem is that you can't accept people having a clear favorite. But I can't understand why it matters so much either?
Or that they are the best two boxers alive.
What does that have to do with our own evaluation of either boxer.
What seems to be your problem is that you can't accept people having a clear favorite. But I can't understand why it matters so much either?
De La Hoya - forced to come down to 147 for the first time in years.
It's funny how history can change perceptions. If you recall correctly this fight was seen as a huge mismatch in favour of DLH. Pacquiao was moving up higher in weight than he'd ever done before. It was a shock among the majority of boxing fans that Manny dismantled him the way he did. Hardly "carefully picked".
Cotto - not allowed to weigh in at more than 145, yet his 147 title had to be on the line.
I don't care about the belts, and I don't think anyone really gives them that much weight, and I'd agree with you that if he wants to fight for a belt he should fight at the full weight. No arguments on that one, but the Cotto fight was a risk and by no means an easy fight or hand picked.
Clottey - very graciously allowed the human heavybag to weigh in at 147.
Agreed. Poor fight, there was never going to be any other outcome.
Margarito - not allowed to weigh in at more than 150, yet the title on the line is 154.
Again, agree about the title. However Margarito had fought at 147 before so the weight was not a problem, he was in great shape and is far, far bigger than Pacquiao. Significant risk involved here. Great performance and hand picked? Not a chance. Not an easy fight.
Mosley - Floyd's leftovers.
Agree to a certain extent. Mosley was past it when he fought Floyd anyway, and Floyd didn't hurt Shane. He just completely outclassed him. This kind of happened because there was no other fight out there that would sell.
Marquez - making a guy who's best wins came at 130/135 move up to 144. Another catchweight.
Marquez wants the fight and agreed to move up. I believe Floyd made him do the same and actually came in above the agreed weight
You seem to think I'm biased towards Pacquiao. I'm not. Floyd is fantastic but I worry that his footspeed has slowed. The same could be said for Pacquiao but I think he'll be slightly sharper than Floyd if the fight happens. Obviously I could be wrong.
In your own time.
Done. Although I was arguing that Floyds recent fights have been just as bad, not that Mannys have all been perfect.
If you could alter "rarely" to "never", I think we'd all appreciate it.
Irony. Look it up.
Hey, it's your fantasy, tell it how you like. The more you say it, the more I believe it. No, really.
If that's what helps you sleep at night.
You're right, I fail to understand how anyone can dismiss either boxer. That is exactly how I feel. I think it's a bit stupid, and yes it's my opinion. I don't see how anyone can actually ignore the clear problems each of them could pose for eachother. One being picked as favourite? Fine, fair enough! Not acknowledging that there's a good chance things won't go how you see it - head in the sand AFAIC.
Nothing really, just used it to highlight that it's a fight which feature two all-time greats. It doesn't matter that much, I suppose. I was just offering my opinion. If you go back, you'll see it was actually Lance who took exception and made this an issue.
De La Hoya was the favourite. I am sure you recall Roach refusing to agree to the fight unless it took place at 147. Because Oscar could "no longer pull the trigger." Of course it was carefully picked.
Bigger? Yes. Plodding, slow, and coming off the worst beating of his career, and an outing against a scrub in which he looked like shit? Also yes. Riskier than some, but still handpicked.
Yep. That was a disgrace, no doubt. Hasn't stopped Pac doing the same thing two years later. Again, handpicked.
Cotto was an excellent opponent, but they had to dilute the achievement by insisting on a catchweight.
And you seem to think I am biased towards Floyd. Which I'm not. Of course, if you had been reading my posts in this thread, you would know that.
The bottom line is, I think Floyd will win. Definitely. That doesn't mean I am only interested in big fights or hype. Again, if you had been paying attention, you would know that I have been watching and commenting on fights at all levels since I joined.
From his last four opponents, only JMM was a shitty out. Due to weight. Hatton was unbeaten, De La Hoya was at 154, and aside from Pac, Mosley was widely regarded as the most dangerous guy at the weight. Next up is Ortiz. Do you really consider JMM a better opponent?
Floyd's recent resume has been superior to Pac's, IMO.
You are the one trying oh so very hard to convince everyone.
Of course I took exception to it. So did Hectic. You arrogantly stated that anyone who thinks one fighter will definitely win is either biased or only interested in big fights and hype.
Come on, let's be honest, we all want Manny to win.
Lance, this has gotten very tiring very quickly. Agree to disagree and move on?