The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Devil81 said:
Whittaker is just coming across pathetic, its been done before by Naz but he delivered the big shots so it was entertaining. Also he'd do his hip shake and drop his hands almost for the crowds entertainment. Whittaker is doing it to totally belittle his opponent and to that isn't a good look.

Whatever ever we say though, he's got people talking about him. I heard Ben Shalom talking about him on talkshite the other day saying he's demanding his hotel room be swapped. The interviewer asked if he was getting above his station as a pretty early stage pro but the reality is he's being talked about an awful lot and is always going to be an interest name on any card given everyone is hoping he gets knocked the feck out.
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Which I suppose is some going from the business angle. Apparently A-list celebrities were hailing him after the Graidia performance and he now has over a million Instagram followers, so he's definitely making noises.

From a fighting point of view, I don't buy that it's not disrespectful because it is. That said, it was markedly reduced when the fight got tougher last night. There's the old cliché about levels in the sport and the higher he goes, I suspect the less the showboating.
 
Nico87 said:
Joseph Parker with the greatest call-out of all time to Dillian Whyte

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:lol: :lol: :lol: so good! Dillian barely survived that fight if he's honest, so it is worth a rerun.
That said, White probably needs one more tune up fight, else he's definitely getting beat up. He looked 'messy' against the German dude and you could see he was so frustrated that he didn't get more rounds in.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Ben Whittaker is an absolutely top lad, there's a lot of false narratives about him at the moment.

I'm highly unsurprised though considering his showboating doesn't at all fit the stereotypical British view of what a fighter should be, hence the instant Tall Poppy Syndrome.
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Look up the Lomenchko fight where he dropped his hands and turned his back and waved his opponent on as he was levels above. Its the same with Whittaker, it's total disrespect of your opponent and not in any way a show of skill.

Obviously history shows of fighters like Ali doing the shuffle and Naz doing his hip shake. We've also had other top level fighters doing different bits and bobs over the years but they've always been for the entertainment of the fans.

Whittaker is disrespecting his opponents and as others have said if he does stop it the higher the level he moves up the more dickish it makes it now. I really hate it if I'm honest as I love the sport and don't think it needs an more circuses given the YouTube shite going on.
 
Devil81 said:
Look up the Lomenchko fight where he dropped his hands and turned his back and waved his opponent on as he was levels above. Its the same with Whittaker, it's total disrespect of your opponent and not in any way a show of skill.

Obviously history shows of fighters like Ali doing the shuffle and Naz doing his hip shake. We've also had other top level fighters doing different bits and bobs over the years but they've always been for the entertainment of the fans.

Whittaker is disrespecting his opponents and as others have said if he does stop it the higher the level he moves up the more dickish it makes it now. I really hate it if I'm honest as I love the sport and don't think it needs an more circuses given the YouTube shite going on.
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Well this is it. This bloke will get beaten when he meets top level boxers who are more disciplined. He claims to have a good boxing IQ but you can't just turn it on or off. Muscle memory is important and he'll get caught out acting the maggot like this. It'll be a weakness in his game at the highest level.
 
I think he will get to world level and probably get quite far even with his current style.

Naturally he'll have to cut down on the showboating and leaving his chin exposed for no reason otherwise he's going to run into trouble. Depends on his mentality and whether he can recognise that no matter how talented he is, he'll have to learn how to grind through some fights.

By time he gets to world level, Beterbiev will no longer be around however Bivol still will be and there's no way he showboats like that v Bivol unless he's looking to get KO'd. The domestic scene at light-heavy is very good - likes of Yarde, Smith, Buatsi, CBS & Azeez.
 
SambaBoy said:
I think he will get to world level and probably get quite far even with his current style.

Naturally he'll have to cut down on the showboating and leaving his chin exposed for no reason otherwise he's going to run into trouble. Depends on his mentality and whether he can recognise that no matter how talented he is, he'll have to learn how to grind through some fights.

By time he gets to world level, Beterbiev will no longer be around however Bivol still will be and there's no way he showboats like that v Bivol unless he's looking to get KO'd. The domestic scene at light-heavy is very good - likes of Yarde, Smith, Buatsi, CBS & Azeez.
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It's not the leaving of his chin open that actually bothers me, lots of fighters do this to tempt fighters out of their defensive stance. It's the weird dancing and hoping on one leg that bothers me, it just looks totally pathetic.
 
Devil81 said:
It's not the leaving of his chin open that actually bothers me, lots of fighters do this to tempt fighters out of their defensive stance. It's the weird dancing and hoping on one leg that bothers me, it just looks totally pathetic.
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I'm sure if he continues to do that as he moves up in levels he will get a nice humbling a la Hamed vs Barrera.

I don't mind a bit of showboating, but doing it vs clearly outmatched opponents isn't a great look.
 
Devil81 said:
Look up the Lomenchko fight where he dropped his hands and turned his back and waved his opponent on as he was levels above. Its the same with Whittaker, it's total disrespect of your opponent and not in any way a show of skill.

Obviously history shows of fighters like Ali doing the shuffle and Naz doing his hip shake. We've also had other top level fighters doing different bits and bobs over the years but they've always been for the entertainment of the fans.

Whittaker is disrespecting his opponents and as others have said if he does stop it the higher the level he moves up the more dickish it makes it now. I really hate it if I'm honest as I love the sport and don't think it needs an more circuses given the YouTube shite going on.
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Why was Naz entertainment for the fans but Whittaker isn't? Double standards. Like I said, great lad who is getting a lot of so-called UK boxing fans wanting to tear him down already just because he's a showman.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Why was Naz entertainment for the fans but Whittaker isn't? Double standards. Like I said, great lad who is getting a lot of so-called UK boxing fans wanting to tear him down already just because he's a showman.
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A showman? You find that crap he pulls entertaining?

Naz wasn't up to anything like the carry on this fella is up to and it was disrespectful of him too. Showboating when your opponent is levels below is pathetic.
 
youngrell said:
I'm sure if he continues to do that as he moves up in levels he will get a nice humbling a la Hamed vs Barrera.

I don't mind a bit of showboating, but doing it vs clearly outmatched opponents isn't a great look.
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DannyCAFC said:
Why was Naz entertainment for the fans but Whittaker isn't? Double standards. Like I said, great lad who is getting a lot of so-called UK boxing fans wanting to tear him down already just because he's a showman.
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Because of the bolded above. Naz carried the same energy vs all opponents and even to his demise; Whittaker looks like a bully and the guy in the gym with a higher grade going into the weaker classes to make a mockery of clearly inferior opponents, who are just trying to see out the session remembering what they’ve been taught.

If Whittaker does a Naz, fair enough, but he already massively toned down his antics and was still getting caught, which suggests the more he goes up, the less he’ll act as he has been doing.

Pernell Whittaker
Roy Jones Junior
Naseem Hamed
Sugar Ray Leonard
Mohammed Ali Cassius Clay
Willie Pep

And so forth on the sliding scale; these guys are idolised because they did what they did against anyone with no regard for their standing whilst being in clear and implicit danger most of the time displaying the massive element of risk as infuriated opponents tried to take their head off at every turn. They weren’t called bullies or regarded as fighters preying on the weak because they backed their arrogance and indifference every time. It doesn’t look a fraction as impressive if done against opponents that stand no chance from the outset.

Whittaker carrying that same energy they did vs any and everyone he fights will earn respect, begrudging or otherwise, but right now he looks like every gym’s worst nightmare - that guy everyone below him hopes someone above him absolutely destroys for them. Whatever he is outside the ring doesn’t matter if the perception of him in it is a mostly negative one.

Time will tell what he is and whether he can cash the cheques he’s handing out - he’s got a target on his back and let’s see if he handles that with the same energy given to relative no hopers.

Any excuse to post something like this :drool:

 
Wilder v Zhang in the Matchroom v Queensberry event

also Dubois v Hrgovic and Beterbiov v Bivol




The trailer is quality

 
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Port Vale Devil said:
Wilder v Zhang in the Matchroom v Queensberry event

also Dubois v Hrgovic and Beterbiov v Bivol




The trailer is quality

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Such a good card, can't wait.

Funny though they were all pretending like this was going to be a complete lottery and Matchroom and Queensbury weren't just making these matchups in the background... everyone in boxing knew all 5 matchups about 3 weeks ago.

Think Zhang stylistically is well tailored to Wilder so I fancy him to comeback with a KO here. Hrgovic I think will be too much for Dubois and possibly force a late stoppage.

Delighted Ford-Ball is happening that's going to be a banger. Ammo-Sheeraz is an outstanding fight as well that's too close to call. Richards should comfortably beat Hutchinson.
 
I reckon Hearn has taken a punt on Wilder so he can make the AJ fight if he wins, however, I think Zhang will knock him out.

I’m surprised Hearn has picked Wilder as captain.
 
I guess the joke has been made before but Wilder vs Zhang has to be the unstoppable force vs the unmovable object. Wilder has (or at least had) the heaviest punch in boxing, and Zhang has the best chin.

Think that Zhang wins this. Wilder is completely out of confidence since Fury broke him, and even if he heavily connects, Zhang should be able to continue.
 
Revan said:
I guess the joke has been made before but Wilder vs Zhang has to be the unstoppable force vs the unmovable object. Wilder has (or at least had) the heaviest punch in boxing, and Zhang has the best chin.

Think that Zhang wins this. Wilder is completely out of confidence since Fury broke him, and even if he heavily connects, Zhang should be able to continue.
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If Wilder connects Zhang won't get up IMO. No chance.
 
Haney vs Garcia,
I hope Haney gets the loss that he should have had against Loma.
 
Garcia weighed in 3 pounds overweight. Paid Haney $500,000 for each pound overweight apparently.

Not really sure why this fight is going ahead with what's been happening with Garcia - unless it's all an act.
 
112-112, 114-110,115-109

Ryan Garcia beats Haney via majority decision. Dropped him three times!
 
Garcia just looked bigger and stronger in there. Faster hands, especially with the left.
 
Wow, as if Garcia pissed about, faced all the drink and drug allegations in the lead up, had people calling him and clown and a waster….then went out and won. Not great for Haneys rep
 
Thanks a lot Devin. Literally the worst thing that could happen in boxing this clown winning and being legitimized.

How anybody could have rooted for Garcia is beyond me. This dude has zero respect for the game.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Thanks a lot Devin. Literally the worst thing that could happen in boxing this clown winning and being legitimized.

How anybody could have rooted for Garcia is beyond me. This dude has zero respect for the game.
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Guy clowns around during the whole lead up while a p4p fighter like Haney trained his ass off and still floors him three times. Can’t say anything. Too good.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Thanks a lot Devin. Literally the worst thing that could happen in boxing this clown winning and being legitimized.

How anybody could have rooted for Garcia is beyond me. This dude has zero respect for the game.
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He legitimised himself by winning. Having respect for the game is being ready when that bell rings and not selling yourself and the fans short, which he came through.

Garcia acts like a clown but there’s nothing about him that’s suggests he’s a bad person and I’d much rather that than these boring ass robots pretending to be nice guys.
 
Bobski said:
112-112 is why many can't take the sport seriously.
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Garcia clearly deserved the decision because of the knock-downs but other than Haney outboxed him and won most of the rounds.

Bar the knock-downs Haney world have won by five or six rounds it was a strange fight.

Glad Garcia won though he is a lot better to watch
 
Yeah the 115-109 card was actually more outrageous than the 112-112 card. There is always a chance for peds but you have to remember the Garcia that fought against Davis was at 135 with a rehydration clause. This was at 140 which he didn't even make with no clause.
 
Ronaldo's ego said:
He legitimised himself by winning. Having respect for the game is being ready when that bell rings and not selling yourself and the fans short, which he came through.

Garcia acts like a clown but there’s nothing about him that’s suggests he’s a bad person and I’d much rather that than these boring ass robots pretending to be nice guys.
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He didn't even try to make weight, dude literally stuck a giant middle-finger in everyone's face rather than owning it. Must be nice when you have the privilege of paying for an obvious advantage and then saying feck you to everybody rather than take accountability. That is the epitome of disrespect, the guy is an absolute weapon.
 
Kevin said:
Guy clowns around during the whole lead up while a p4p fighter like Haney trained his ass off and still floors him three times. Can’t say anything. Too good.
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I mean, Ali showed up at Sonny Liston's house after midnight and trashed talked him in the lead up to their fight. Let's not pretend that shit housing didn't happen with the very best in his sport.
 
Hoof the ball said:
I mean, Ali showed up at Sonny Liston's house after midnight and trashed talked him in the lead up to their fight. Let's not pretend that shit housing didn't happen with the very best in his sport.
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I don’t understand your reply in regards to my post. I meant to illustrate Garcia was smoking, drinking and tweaking as preparation while Haney trained his ass off. And still he got destroyed. Respect to Garcia’s ability.
 
Thought the ref was really poor for the fight. Haney should have been deducted a point for excessive clinching. You can tell he never really expected that beatdown and he couldn't handle Garcia's power.

It would be good to see the fight again - where both make weight. Garcia's power was obviously the difference in the fight but you could see that Haney was the more classier, smoother fighter and if he can keep Garcia at arm's length and avoid the left hook - he'd win the rematch.

Garcia has a lot of options now however - he's got the rematch, he called out a few people after the fight such as Fundora/Boots/Shakur and he's got the potential rematch against Tank which I'll think he'll avoid.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
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I think it’s ambitious, I doubt any other side in the history of the league has finished 6th whilst conceding 20 shots a game.
It’d be like a boxer deciding to go into a title fight and go 12 rounds with his defence being well, just his hands by his sides.
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I had to share that one with you.
 
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