Except it wasn’t an exhibition. It’s such a weird excuse, it was his choice not to prepare properly (if that happened) and he will be rightly criticised for that. A lot of people feel his career is overrated already, so you must be able to see how that fight doesn’t help his cause.
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If he retired right now he would be remembered as the best heavyweight of his era and I'm not even a Fury fan.
It's just a fact. Noone is going to judge him on the Ngannou fight as that's madness.
He will be remembered for beating Klitschko and the Wilder fights.
It's pathetic him and Joshua haven't fought but that's on both of them and not down to one ducking the other. They both are guilty of holding out and then messing the fight up by losing bring injured or taking an easier option.
By the time they do fight if they ever do they still probably both be in their 40s and i couldn't care less what happens
That’s not a fact at all, as right now Usyk looks like he’ll beat him to me, and Joshua has shown better performances against a few opponents Fury looked ropey against.
If he retires now I’ll remember him as a character, but one that bored the feck out of us v Klitschko and had some fun bouts against a guy we all argued was a shite boxer that’d get found out when he moved up to fighting actual top pros.
2 shite boxers in Wilder and the MMA bloke have given him a World of trouble.
I’m not calling a guy the best of his generation when his top two achievements were possibly the most boring fight I’ve ever witnessed and a win against a a shite boxer that was made impressive due to that boxers power and Fury’s long time out of the ring.
I think AJ would’ve battered Wilder and his fight against Wlad was much more entertaining.
I also thought Parker’s performance against Wilder was much more impressive due to him always being in control and unlike Fury not looking like a bloke who might get into big trouble at any moment. Parker simply showed Wilder up for the shite boxer he is.
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I think they are slightly different issues. Whilst any fighter dying is tragic, for the most part they are freak incidents between two people who know how to defend themselves against eachother.
Last night was literally like a lamb to the slaughter. Things like that, 60 year olds fighting guys in their mid twenties ect. Are almost directly asking for someone to get seriously, seriously hurt.
Maybe but maybe it would stop MMA fighters like Kamuru Usman wanting to box Canelo or Sean O'Malley wanting to fight Ryan Garcia.
If you go a bit deeper you could potentially lay some of the blame at the feet of the UFC for their appalling revenue distribution pushing fighters to chase fights that they are woefully unequipped for.
That's fair and it would have a big deal regardless.
That said, I think the Tyson-Paul exhib will probably be a gentlemanly glorified sparring session. There's not that many total novices being taken on their offers to fight elite pro boxers. Ngannou is a bit of an anomaly and one that wouldn't have happened if Fury wasn't so frivolous the last time around.
That is an opinion, not a fact. You cannot make judgments like that until it’s all said and done. If he beats Usyk, I’ll agree no questions asked.
When the second best fighter on your record is Wilder, it feels like pointless conversation. He simply has to fight some higher quality before you can judge.
A shame we never got a Wilder Joshua or Joshua Fury... They could happen but right now Wilder and Fury both are a little tarnished.
If Usyk wins and unify all titles, I think you can't really argue he's a boxing genius : Distinguished amateur, overcame size differences, undefeated pro in all meanings of the term.
Joshua, to my untrained eye, seems like the one that could have the best longevity left at this point. Wilder seems washed, Fury who knows but feels he's losing to Father Time, Usyk might retire outright after the next fight. Joshua I could see running the division or getting a few good names still.
Fury's legacy will be complicated I think. Had the potential, lacked the discipline.
But maybe he beats Usyk and take on Joshua to win, this would massively upgrade his resume.
If Usyk wins and unify all titles, I think you can't really argue he's a boxing genius : Distinguished amateur, overcame size differences, undefeated pro in all meanings of the term.
Joshua, to my untrained eye, seems like the one that could have the best longevity left at this point. Wilder seems washed, Fury who knows but feels he's losing to Father Time, Usyk might retire outright after the next fight. Joshua I could see running the division or getting a few good names still.
Fury's legacy will be complicated I think. Had the potential, lacked the discipline.
But maybe he beats Usyk and take on Joshua to win, this would massively upgrade his resume.
He has until May 2025 I think, I also think that's quite optimistic but he's said that's his aim and he'll have to start fighting some real top heavyweights soon for him to accomplish that so let's see.
I actually agree with @Rams here, I think his problem isn't that he doesn't think he's ready for the top guys yet but that the top guys don't want it with him, too much to lose fighting him not much to gain. He's been sparring with Parker for his fight with Zhang and Parker said a lot of good things about him, as did Fury who recommended him to Parker.
It’s so odd to me, if he’d fought AJ and won, then beat Usyk I’d understand the calls of ”best of his generation”, but he’s fought absolutely no-one I rate besides Wlad, which was quite probably the most boring fight I can recall.
Then he disappeared rather than give Wlad his rematch which shouldn’t be forgotten.
Parker showed Wilder up for the shit boxer he is, and looked much more impressive than Fury in beating the shit out of him. (Granted the Fury/Wilder fights were much more fun, but that’s something of a stain on Fury for me).
Unquestionably the fights against Wilder were great fun, but they’ve elevated Fury to a level far beyond that which wins against such a limited boxer should.
I’m absolutely certain the current AJ and the pre-Ruiz AJ would have wiped the floor with Wilder in a similar fashion to what happened last night. Wilder would have had a puncher’s chance in the cagey post-Ruiz lull AJ went through but that’s it.
Fury seemed to think it was. Hence the lack of preperation and cavalier attitude. Got a shock when Ngannou turned up for an actual fight! Doubt Fury would have even taken the fight if he new it would be an actual boxing match rather than the expected clown show, putting his fight against Usyk at risk.
Why? He’s the best heavyweight of his generation apparently. Surely he should have been able to cope with boxing a novice?
Same reason top football teams can lose or draw friendly matches against teams no one as ever heard of
You're assuming the Wilder that fought Fury was the same one that fought Parker. Just as you're assuming the same Wlad that fought Fury fought Aj. The whole comparison of look how one fighter fought against this fighter compare to this one hardly works in boxing or mma. Especially in the top 5 of divisions, there's way too many variables and it's why skillsets are preferred over performances. If Aj and Fury were to fight next week, Fury will still be the favourite in terms of betting and by all the experts.
It's like saying the last time City lost in the league was against Villa so they should've really smoked us a couple of weeks ago...
Bizarre fight and even more Bizarre were the comments from Hearn and Joshua.
The cynic in me tells me that money talks and nothing is going to stop a Fury/Joshua fight at Wembley even if neither hold a title.
The cynic in me tells me that money talks and nothing is going to stop a Fury/Joshua fight at Wembley even if neither hold a title.
Please. That’s a terrible analogy and you know it. Even if you want to try and make that comparison, who is the last top team that lost a friendly to a team that was unheard of?
It's the same mentality. If you don't take it seriously then you aren't going to put in your maximum effort and if you don't dominate the lesser opponent no one cares.
If Fury thought he'd have a fight on his hands then he either wouldn't have agreed to it or he would have trained accordingly and the result would have been vastly different. Fury turned up for a pantomine and got a fight;.
Ngannou had no business getting involved in heavyweight boxing straight in at the top level in a serious fight. It's fecking dangerous.
I've seem him box thanks...
I'm not saying he's not an excellent prospect - but seriously do you even follow the sport? There is such thing as experience, and it matters.
The kid has had 7 pro fights against absolute binmen (outside of maybe that Ukrainian guy who upset Matty Harris), he's had like 25 amateur fights total none of which were even at senior level.
Saying he'd beat anybody right now in a division that contains Usyk, Fury and AJ is ridiculous.
The Cult of Fury Eternal Deduction:
Any bad performance = he didn't take the fight seriously
Any bad performance = he didn't take the fight seriously
That’s nothing like what I’m saying.
I’m saying he has two top wins in his entire career, one of which was the most boring heavyweight title fight the majority of us have ever endured, the other was only impressive due to his time out of the ring and the fact that Wilder, despite being a shit boxer, is a huge puncher.
I don’t think that’s close to enough to deem him “the best of his generation”, not least when other boxers of his generation have looked much more impressive against those two big wins.
For me to give Fury credit as the best, he’ll first need to beat Uysk, who I currently feel is most likely to be the best heavyweight of this generation, and Joshua, a man like Wilder with so much raw power but also an actual boxer to go with it. He does that, no questions asked for me, he’s hand down the best of his generation.
If Usyk beats Fury like he did AJ, and I think he may well, that’ll also make the best of his generation claims look daft.
The top three from this generation are clearly AJ, Fury and probably Usyk (so few HW fights though), Usyk has already convincingly beat one of the top three twice, neither AJ nor Fury have beat any of the other top 3.
Itauma probably needs to start taking on lower ranking British HWs like Nathan Gorman, Dave Allen, Kash Ali, etc. It's time for him to move up a level.
Joe Joyce is done, looks an absolute shell of the guy he was a couple of years ago.
Plodding along against some journeyman
Plodding along against some journeyman
He was never the most dynamic, but feck me I watched round 4 and turned over to UFC. Joyce looked hopeless
I should have done the same.
Hopefully he retires as he will just become a punchbag with his lack of movement. His chin will have gone now and he could be on the end of some brutal knockouts
Joe Joyce clearly sending a 'Come and get me' message to Jake Paul with a performance was abject as that.
Was he as big when he was an amateur? I saw a few bits of his amateur career and he didn’t look the same size at all.
I think he was ok then got some hype after the Dubois fight which made people think he had a chin of granite.
Zhang did him and probably his punch resistance is probably gone imo
Healey- Pauls take a bow. Like watching Rocky!
Jake Paul is fighting Tyson - is that legit?
Yeah apparently so. Very strange. It's also going to be on Netflix and not PPV.
The only question is whether it'll be official or an exhibition.
Wow- brave man. Tyson is an animal
Well he's also 57 and didn't look the best in his last fight 4 years ago. I'd love to see him knock that YouTube eejit out though.
It would be sweet to see him thumped about for a while then floored
I'm assuming (hoping) this is a joke?
Eh?
He fought a recently retired Roy Jones Jr whose last fight was only three years prior and gave him a terrible time.
Roy Jones Jr was visibly relieved for the fight to end because Tyson was thumping him every round. It got to the point that Roy Jones Jr was looking for the clinch repeatedly.
If anything, Tyson looked excellent for someone in their mid-50s
Not looking good for Paul if these latest Tyson training videos are anything to go by. 
Not looking good for Paul if these latest Tyson training videos are anything to go by.
He looks as expected. Dude has been hitting pads for 40+ years, he's going to look good and still reasonably quick/powerful. Fact is he was shot to pieces 20 years ago. I suspect he has almost zero punch resistance.
Genius marketing by Jake Paul really because certain people can't seem to look beyond the 'Mike Tyson aura' and still see him as that same invincible kid he was at 19/20, when in reality he has no business in the ring in with anybody of pro calibre (which, despite how absolutely bang average he is, Jake is)
Tbf to Tyson he was high as a kite most of the time when he retired wasn't he? I think he's mentally in a much better place than he used to be so it might not be as clear cut as all that.
It's not as if Mike bullied a recently retired Roy Jones Jr only a few years ago, whilst looking quicker and more powerful than him.
Oh wait, he did.
Tyson will wreck him the way Jones Jr was clinging for life.
Let’s be fair…..Tyson is here for the money. He’s doing his bit to build it but he needs the cash and I think actually having a competitive fight isn’t really top priority for him