The location didn’t help. Or those two dweeby looking (but obviously astronomically wealthy) sheikhs being allowed into the ring to fawn over the fighters the second the bell went.
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The location didn’t help. Or those two dweeby looking (but obviously astronomically wealthy) sheikhs being allowed into the ring to fawn over the fighters the second the bell went.
That would well and good if only redcafe were scoring the fight. Numerous boxers as well as respected boxing insiders (such as Bunce)gave the fight to N'Gannou, and if that illegal elbow from Fury had been accounted for, it would be another docked point.
If N'Gannou ate the jab all night, his face certainly doesn't attest to that, either as only one fighter was bloodied, bruised and cut at the end of the bout.
Just watched the fight and Ngannou was very hard done by. I don't see how you can give Fury more than five rounds. Ngannou was very impressive the way he boxed patiently and the way he was able to switch from orthodox to southpaw seamlessly caused Fury problems. There needs to be a rematch next year if Fury beats Usyk convincingly. Be interesting to see how much Fury overlooked him, that was the heaviest Fury has ever been and you would expect his preparation would be much better in a rematch.
I think people are getting confused by the Youtubers. MMA fighters are elite in nearly all disciplines. Plus they have fighting backgrounds. They know the tactics and psychology of fighting even if its not a discipline they excel in. Go see how Mighty Mouse took on Rodtang in his discipline. He didnt look out of place at all with one of the greatest Thai boxers ever. Plus Nganou is a fkn beast. Mentally. Physically and has that world class power. I think people especially Fury will not underestimate a cross over fight again. Those MMA dudes are not Youtubers
Yeah, looking for bruises on N’Gannou’s face would not be a good way to score that fight (or any fight)
I think he just underestimated the task at hand, as nearly all of us did, and once it registered he was in a serious fight, he couldn't get going because he hadn't conditioned N'Gannou to his actual fighting style, which is why he looked rushed and uncomfortable trying to then establish his dominance. It's also got to be accounted for that it was a 10rd bout, which Fury knew he didn't have his usual amount of time to work in.
The thing with bombing someone out is they have to susceptible whilst you're not; Francis was firing bombs off in retaliation up close and Fury decided pretty early it was a bad idea to get into a gunfight.
There's also the clinch; never in my life did I think N'Gannou would be able to fend a clinching Fury off and not get tired super early, but there he was, out-muscling Fury and even looking extremely dangerous in dirty boxing range on top of that, which cut another go to avenue off for Fury. I think from there he was really flustered and uncomfortable in the ring and a number of factors were exacerbating his angst, not least Francis being a legitimate threat straight through until the final bell.
I have doubts Fury will want to do it again, but a rematch would tell us what the real deal is.
Doesn't mean you can bypass the remainder of what was said.
And of course you can look for damage on both fighters.
There isn't any point, but they bank on the fact that the selling of fights is almost always better than the product itself, and fear of missing out becomes too much for people to resist.
I guess you haven't followed what the Fury family have said about non pros taking on professional boxers in the lead up to Tommy fighting the YouTuber? Tyson himself using words similar to what you're denigrating?Fury is apparently a disgrace and embarrassment
A guy that was 33-0, world champion, undefeated and got in there with a legit fighter no matter what experience he has in boxing, is a disgrace and embarrassment because he struggled and had an off night and looked like he had lost the fight? It’s silly season again I see.
Fair enough to think he lost that fight but it doesn’t make him a disgrace or any of these things or suddenly a bum that’s a shit boxer ffs, stop being silly. I’m sure he feels like a huge embarrassment being 34-0 in boxing, a world champion just having been paid millions upon millions that will change his families lives forever and fighting at the top level in front of millions of people while some people at home at 1 in the morning are typing he’s an embarrassment and disgrace on social media and online.
Say he lost the fight. Say it was a robbery. Say he would lose to Usyk. But let’s not turn this into the embarrassing match day threads ffs.
The world champ who is supposed to be king of the HW division is supposed to make an exhibition out of someone who has no professional boxing bouts to his name. How can that be denied or shaped any differently?
I like and rate Fury, but trying to defend him for last night is absurd. He looked crestfallen for a reason at the end of the bout. It's hugely embarrassing for him and definitely not how things were supposed to go.
Can we have Itauma vs Usyk instead? Within 2 years Itauma will be the only name on everybody’s lips, a generational talent if ever there was one.
There were 10 rounds. Fury was not going for it in the last portion of the contest and lost rd 8. He also landed an illegal elbow that should have seen him docked a point, which is being glossed over and shouldn't be.
Those stats would make more sense if they were broken down into rounds. Rightly or wrongly boxing is scored by rounds, not overall
He’s not a disgrace though is he mate?
I followed all of that but you have to take what Fury says with a pinch of salt as his mood changes all the time. In the build up he had moments of saying he would destroy him and knock him out and in others was saying the exact opposite. I honestly believe it’s a mixture of being a showman and him being bi polar. Not excusing the performance, just think it’s a step too far calling him an embarrassment and a disgrace and making out he’s now an average fighter.
Fury has schooled fighters like Klitschko and Wilder and then looked absolutely average against people like Wallin and Pianeta, it happens. There’s just way too many overreactions at times. He was a bit shit last night and looked well off it, it’s probably hurt him mentally that performance but he’s not suddenly a shit fighter that would get turned over by Joshua and Usyk or a disgrace imo.
I think that fight will have a lasting effect on Fury. He's said all along, as soon as he's not happy boxing, he'll pack it all in and call it a day, I think that day is fast approaching after last night.
But Ngannou didn’t throw 250 punches odd in 2/3 rounds? He sat back the entire fight so I’d guess they were pretty even throughout the 10.
There’s rounds that I’m seeing fans give Tyson where he spent half the round leaping into Ngannou to flat out hug him and kept being thrown off. To give Fury that fight you have to be looking to give him that fight but it is what it is
But out landing by a thin margins doesn’t mean anything, the judges dont have access to these stats. It’s averages out to one extra shot per round. My point was the volume wasn’t there to claim Tyson out worked him when he clearly didn’t. Both looked equally busy throughout the fight, it’s really the output that judges are drawn to (rightly or wrongly)
It just seems to me that there were rounds that little happened that fans give to Tyson and it needs Ngannou putting it on Fury get him a round and that’s a compete misrepresentation of how little happened in this fight. If there wasn’t a knockdown a lot more onlookers would be giving Ngannou one or Two more rounds that they’re currently giving Tyson
Yeah that felt strange at the time. Everyone I know was thinking Fury needs to do something here and he didn’t throw a punch. Not sure if that’s a bit of mind games or whether he just knew it was done at that point.
PFL must be very happy with this, Ngannou should drag even more eyes when he'll be ready to do his contracted matches for them. Just need to find a couple of good names to put him with.
And Dana have to feel a little embarrassed too
I don't think he'll go pro because of his other commitments but Francis certainly gave himself credit to get another big exhibition match within 1-3 years.
And Dana have to feel a little embarrassed too
I don't think he'll go pro because of his other commitments but Francis certainly gave himself credit to get another big exhibition match within 1-3 years.
I don't know if Nagannou's punches were all that even throughout.
Many are saying that Fury landed more punches in 6/7 of the rounds.
There are some round by round stats here although I don't know how reliable compubox are.
https://www.boxingscene.com/tyson-fury-vs-francis-ngannou-compubox-punch-stats--178829
I am not particularly disagreeing with the point you're making, just saying that the Fury’s themselves, Tyson included, have said it'd be a disgrace to lose to a non-pro boxer.
It's obviously the talk of boxing and MMA circles today and the fallout is really far reaching.
This fight went from: how long until he knocks him out or carries him for to N'Gannou looking like the winner for many pros and experts and that's surreal and hugely embarrassing for Fury.
I think you can ignore the rhetoric about what this tells us about Fury, mind, but having said that, the world will be watching his next bout intently and he is going to have to make a serious statement to silence doubters/haters now.
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either way, fury hasn’t done anything of hall of fame note other the klitschko fight (and that too only against a politician.) that’s a long time to be dining out as “the best” whilst there are still boxers that have held belts in the last decade that he hasn’t fought.
Forget about Fury..
Its a bit boring when all these people associated with boxing come out and say things like its a robbery etc, its just a rinse and repeat and has been happening for ages.
Like I've said before, boxing is not a sport anymore, its a business and business dictated Fury had to win that fight once it went to a points decision.
I do not get why people get wound up over this, everyone knows what boxing is like these days.
PS .. I did have Tyson to be knocked down in rounds 1 - 3 at 14's on Paddy Power .. thank you very much
Like I've said before, boxing is not a sport anymore, its a business and business dictated Fury had to win that fight once it went to a points decision.
I do not get why people get wound up over this, everyone knows what boxing is like these days.
PS .. I did have Tyson to be knocked down in rounds 1 - 3 at 14's on Paddy Power .. thank you very much
surprised no one in here is talking up moses itauma. some are saying he’s a generational talent.
Bones is injured so can't see that happening.
Anyway, this is one of the reasons I stopped watching the "sport" of boxing years ago (the other being that the big fights everyone wants take too long to happen or never happen at all). I only dip in and out occasionally these and see the same old bullshit fixed results. Canelo never beat GGG in that first fight. Usyk lost his last fight etc.
Francis won that fight and at absolute worst it was a draw. Dunno how they declare Fury the winner.
Anyway, that's me out again for a long while.
A great night for Ngannou (& MMA), and a very very bad night for boxing.
Everyone knows it wouldn’t have gone passed the first round had they fought in the octagon.
Everyone knows it wouldn’t have gone passed the first round had they fought in the octagon.
I didn't see it, but most people seem to think Ngannou should have won or at least that it was very very close... how is it even possible? This is something akin to if the England rugby team got a draw in a football match against the England football team (not a 1:1 comparison, I know). How?!
Moses who?
Francis did way better than I expected. I thought Fury would toy with him but I think Fury was apprehensive after getting knocked down.
Wonder what would have happened if Ngannou got the win. I know it wasn't for the title but to beat the heavyweight champion would have put the sport in a pretty horrible position.
Wonder what would have happened if Ngannou got the win. I know it wasn't for the title but to beat the heavyweight champion would have put the sport in a pretty horrible position.
The very bad nights seem to far outweigh the good nowadays. These heavyweights seem to be completely unaware or unconcerned about the damage they are doing to boxing. I think they're a disgrace personally.
The Fury brothers are destroying what reputation boxing had left 
I thought the 96-93 was harsh but a ‘ robbery’ is a bit dramatic. Wouldn’t have argued with a draw or point either way.
Fury was poor though and fought scared after he was dropped.
Fury was poor though and fought scared after he was dropped.
Was just reading Reddit and they make a good point about that clinch that had Fury fall down in the 7th being a knockdown itself. Tyson gets caught with a sly punch and falls forward but the absolute mess that it turned into disguised the knockdown
I'm still pissed we won't get the Jones fight but what a legend Francis is man, made Dana look a completely prick. Wish he'd thrown a few cheeky hammer fists after the knockdown
Francis dropping him just shows how an MMA fight would go, no standing ten count to save him from the pummeling he'd have took.
I wondered about this, is there a video of it?
I still think a fully focused Bones would beat Ngannou in MMA.
Ngannou doing well in boxing will lead to other MMA guys trying to move in and they won't do as well.
Francis in MMA didn't use many kicks and struggled when taken down by Stipe. He did work on it though and looked better after that Stipe loss (ignoring the horrible fight against Lewis).
With that said, everything good we've seen from Francis in MMA involved his boxing. The only time he showed a different side is vs. Gane but that's against someone who only kick-boxes and has zero wrestling or bjj.
Francis has always been "boxing first" so a boxing match suits him. Most of these MMA guys would probably get smoked (and even if not, they are never gonna win a decision, that's clear).
I mean that’s just bias one way or another, unfortunately boxing scoring is very subjective even by judges, if you’re giving rounds to a fighter because they got knocked down then it’s ridiculous bias.
Same way people were overhyping Ngannous work because he’s a novice, every punch that hit a glove or even air was wildly hyped.
It was a close fight on Fury’s worst day to Ngannous best, I thought it could been given either way.
Fury/Ngannou
10/9
10/9 close
8/10
9/10
10/9
10/9
10/9 close
9/10
10/9
9/10 close
95/94 Fury
Feel like rounds 2, 7 and 10 could of gone either way.
Fury was poor, looked like he barely trained and I guess he can't go full fight camp before the bigger fight. Ngannou did great. Was so patient and clever with his energy.
Why is it that MMA people can't understand why it was a clear fury win though? Do they think the rules of boxing should be thrown out and the person that got the bigger shot in in ten rounds / 30 wins? Ngannou was dead on his feet after 5 rounds.
Why is it that MMA people can't understand why it was a clear fury win though? Do they think the rules of boxing should be thrown out and the person that got the bigger shot in in ten rounds / 30 wins? Ngannou was dead on his feet after 5 rounds.