Even had the WWE post credit scene in this and the Chisora with the next opponent.
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I like the fact you gave excellent reasoning for giving it to Fury, I don’t agree with you, I had Frances a good 3 rounds ahead
But this is always a risk when boxers who are conditioned to fight other boxers get in with a fighter from another discipline who's rhythm will be different, probably doesn't punch from angles Fury's used to and with all that uncertainty plus the period Fury's had off ring rust makes the adjustments even more difficult .
Fury was also drinking in that documentary and it doesn't matter how athletic someone is alcohol in the liver is a non-reversible transaction especially as you age.
One thing's for certain Usyk will also be an awkward fight for Fury because of the style. In that interview with Joe Rogan, Tyson said Cunningham was his hardest fight because he was using educated movement and setting traps. Fury ought to take that fight in December his lifestyle doesn't permit someone fighting comfortably towards 40.
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This fight is far from a credibility of boxing given the shit we've seen the last few years and at Olympics past and some other heavyweight fights. I don't for a second Francis didn't land the better shots but he landed them in phases and weirdly because so many of them came in just 2 round it cost them the fight. Had he kept the foot on the floor in 9 and 10 I think he'd have won but for some reason and he didn't seem gassed once Fury stopped engaging Francis didn't know how to come forward.
Am sure I read months ago the unification fight was penciled in for the new year originally so I reckon that's the most likely outcome now. Give Fury an extra month and get it on. The ship will sail otherwise.
I wonder about that now, tbh. Let’s be honest, nobody thought he could make a genuine career out of boxing, but now that he’s been proven as the real deal, I think some wrangling will go ahead to either get him out of that contract or have boxing run concurrently with it. None of what we saw tonight was supposed to happen, but now everything has been turned upside down.
Fury threw less overall and fewer significant shots. Didn't hurt Ngannou once, and got hurt himself more than once. Just look at their respective faces post-fight, that damage on Fury's face wasn't only collected in 2 rounds. Ngannou could fight again tomorrow.
Come on, this isn’t a case where Francis didn’t quite do enough. He did enough and the cards were only ever going to go one way.
There’s been a few over the years but I think this is the one that’s finally turned me. I don’t watch WWE because it’s a predetermined show. That’s how I feel about the ‘boxing’ tonight
You never see 5 rounds a draw and rarely see swapping like that, I genuinely thought Fury won them all albeit by tiny margins. I think when people watch it back without the hype and emotion they'll see Fury just kept eeking out the close rounds by pushing the pace (albeit not by much) as Francis kept waiting for counters and by being a little cleaner with his jab in the tight ones. The funny part is when Francis pushed he was vastly better than Tyson, just didn't get inside enough imho of course.
Its not a case I think Fury was comfortably better than Francis, just smarter and tidier at times.
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Chris Eubank Jr gives it to Francis too
But Fury lost 8 and was extremely wary in 9 and 10. He didn’t do enough to take back the 10-8 round; it didn’t even look like he gained the upper hand or was in control, which is a big metric in itself.
I don’t think it’s emotional investment determining a Francis win - objectively he did a lot of what you would want a fighter to do to win a fight. That 3rd round and then the last 3 rounds didn’t make this feel like a fight where he could be pip the victory, imo.
emotion isn’t part of it for me. Fury did not deserve to win this, there were no extended periods of outclassing his opponent which we have seen him do against high calibre HW opponents before. Sometimes you can just tell when a man does not want to be in there with the guy across from him, that was written over fury’s face from the first Clinch they got In to. I would have had no issue with a majority draw, it stinks that Fury got the win.
So on top of winning 3 rounds he won comfortably - since he won 8 easily too unless you mixed that up with 7 I dunno..... Ngannou had a knockdown, actually won rounds clearly that most would accept, and essentially lost because everyone is just casually allowing Fury the shite rounds, which is the case obviously and you kind of earn that right as a champion... but it sums up Boxing, if someones giving a fighter the nod on a round because they have the name or a belt, just score it 10-10.
I think Fury started slow, and ended horrifically... I don't see how he's won that other than the fact he's Tyson Fury. It's not defendable really, this is more of a robbery than Wilder robbing him in their first comeback for me.
I think he did, not in the sense of laying on a beating but in terms of point fighting and edging rounds. For me 1 and 2 were Furys best rounds (which says alot about how bad he was) so even after the knockdown it was 28-28 and I genuinely had him win 4,5 and 6 too, which were close but he edged them. Then Ngannou dominated 7, won 8 and stopped fighting in 9 and 10 cause Fury stopped pushing and Francis didn't really push either so Fury just jabbed it out in a shit last 2 rounds.
For me after 8 Tyson was a point up 76-75 after 8 and I thought Francis had him on toast but he just kinda stopped. Maybe got 10 but did nothing in 9 to Tysons nothing + 1.
But he won the rounds... whether it was by an inch or a mile he won, thats an issue with the 10-9 system in general sadly, where you don't get a difference for a dominant round with no knockdown vs squeezing one out. It's a debate thats been going on forever.
did the two judges for fury both give him rounds 9 and 10?
What makes me laugh is the "boxing fans" who have ever put Fury up there among the best and won't back down no matter what. Tonight showed who he really is, the class of the competition did that before. The whole sport is a joke and is 100% about money. It's time to stop acting like it's any different or has been for years.
This sham event, just like the Youtuber ones, is the lifeline now.
This sham event, just like the Youtuber ones, is the lifeline now.
He sounds like me judging a Robbie Lawler fight
No idea, I think the judge who scored it 95-94 Tyson maybe have scored 10 to Francis.
I think the fact that they did the stare down with usyk right after tells it all really. Barring a KO, he was never, ever losing. No idea why people can’t just see it for what it is. Ngannou basically did a Bruce Willis in pulp fiction and tried flipping the script.
Ngannou is an absolute legend.
37 years old, hadn't fought in nearly 2 years. Knee is shot after doing both his MCL and ACL. He then goes and beats the heavyweight world champion in his boxing debut.
Fury is an embarrassment. He looked like a clown bouncing around in there tonight and fought scared the whole fight.
Ngannou looked more the composed experienced boxer.
37 years old, hadn't fought in nearly 2 years. Knee is shot after doing both his MCL and ACL. He then goes and beats the heavyweight world champion in his boxing debut.
Fury is an embarrassment. He looked like a clown bouncing around in there tonight and fought scared the whole fight.
Ngannou looked more the composed experienced boxer.
It wasn’t a robbery, Fury won the fight but it was close.
Ngannou was amazing though..fully composed and I’m really impressed with his stamina - I thought he’d tired after 5-6 rounds and Fury would get the stoppage.
Ngannou was amazing though..fully composed and I’m really impressed with his stamina - I thought he’d tired after 5-6 rounds and Fury would get the stoppage.
Ngannou looked like the mandatory challenger for the belt, not a complete novice.
Boxing's a joke.
But he didn't win the rounds*. They were just the shite rounds that were easy to fob off to him as he had the Boxing prestige, if the performances were flipped... he'd also get the rounds and you'd be saying the thing even if you'll deny it. Rounds like that are mostly won via name/prestige not "inches".... unless they are won by miles which are undisputable.
There's a reason why when we talking robbery decisions they usually involve a person who's already made it and is a face of the sport or being heavily pushed as a future face of the sport getting their hands raised.
* - tbf, I'm not gonna massively debate this. I don't care that much, I knew he'd win on points unless knocked out. But I certainly don't think Fury won more than 5 rounds.
I think you can argue Fury shaded 5-6 rounds and the whole scoring system is a joke anyway. But 7 rounds from the Mexican judge? Absolute fix.
Vast majority of people think ngannou was robbed. Perennial opposite opinion powerhouses and boxing purists the only ones arguing otherwise. Even seasoned boxers don’t think fury won.
Most of the big social media sites have a poll system and Francis is winning heavily on those.
Whoever truly won doesn’t matter, Fury has lost the public opinion scorecard
That was the warm up fight
Fury should be losing points In people’s mind for the fact that he’s the heavyweight champion of the world and struggled against a compete novice.
I would pay anything to see jon jones fully roided against Ngannou
I would pay anything to see jon jones fully roided against Ngannou
It might as well have been John Fury fighting that fight.
If you think that was Fury anywhere near his best then its time to watch boxing. He was bad tonight, very bad by his own standards. But tonight hasn't shown anything about Fury. You and I both know he's beaten much better fighters in much more convincing fashion.
Tonight may be him overlooking Ngannou, it could simply be that he had an off night or it could be that he's getting past it. But even his biggest critic can't seriously believe that was in any way representative of the fighter he is or was.
true, his resume is average at best though,which isn’t his fault, after he beat an over the hill klitschko there really hasn’t been anyone even close to his boxing level.
Oh my. Split decision. 
I don't think Ngannou had anything to lose short of being KOed minute one. Everyone loves the guy, inspiring story, a vocal force for fighter pay and consideration in MMA, stood his ground with Dana White, was taking a massive bag anyway from this...
But going the distance and being competitive ? Even if Fury was a shadow of himself (take your pick : the drugs and Father Time caught up or he trained poorly), that's so huge.
Worst prep ever for the Usyk fight, god damn. If Fury wins it will make this more trivial, but otherwise the legacy talk is going to trend down hard.
I don't think Ngannou had anything to lose short of being KOed minute one. Everyone loves the guy, inspiring story, a vocal force for fighter pay and consideration in MMA, stood his ground with Dana White, was taking a massive bag anyway from this...
But going the distance and being competitive ? Even if Fury was a shadow of himself (take your pick : the drugs and Father Time caught up or he trained poorly), that's so huge.
Worst prep ever for the Usyk fight, god damn. If Fury wins it will make this more trivial, but otherwise the legacy talk is going to trend down hard.
Gary Lineker on Twitter:
Jon jones v ngannou bigger than anything boxing could ever offer. Please make it happen
Was tonight an example that heavyweight boxing is almost a different sport to the other divisions. It's all about having respectable power, and if you have that, it's an equaliser. Ngannou hits just as hard as Wilder but he has the stocky build and stamina to back it up with. In the clinch he was stronger than Tyson and bullied him. I'm just trying to make sense of what we saw because I'm flabbergasted.
Well as you can see on here, the Fury fans are doing their utmost to come up with all sorts of arguments to try and claim he won. Their going argument "Fury was but Francis was very impressive".
No - Fury very obviously lost, dress it up whichever way you will. He at most shaded maybe 2 or 3 rounds.
Very tempted to quote my old friend Roger Mayweather right now