The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Ayush_reddevil said:
Okolie is such a strange boxer . Never seen anyone hold so much even after landing
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Honestly I felt the holding was hurting more than helping him tonight. He was landing quite early in the fight when he was keeping distance between them, but even when he was better off taking advantage by actually punching after landing clean on CBS, he went on to hold him. :wenger:
 
So, thoughts on Spence-Crawford? Who we got?

I think Tank-Garcia doing as well as it did on PPV probably pushed this over the line. Would have been a travesty if this didn't get made.

I'm confident Fury-Usyk happens in the winter, all the postering the last few months is just build up while they wait on the UAE money.

Hopefully Beterbiev-Bivol gets over the line too.
 
Just caught up with the Okolie fight. I’m glad the ref deducted points because he’s such a difficult fighter to root for with his tactics.

I can’t see any reason to watch an Okolie fight.
 
Lay said:
Just caught up with the Okolie fight. I’m glad the ref deducted points because he’s such a difficult fighter to root for with his tactics.

I can’t see any reason to watch an Okolie fight.
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Yeah, he’s a really hard watch isn’t he.

I think Ben Shalom has shown his naivety a bit by chucking a load of money at him whereas matchroom knew he wasn’t worth those sums.

It was a really poor fight; Billam-Smith wasn’t great either.
 
Spence vs Crawford will be a banger but the fight i want to see most right now is Shakur vs Haney. Tank is a monster too but those two are a little ahead of him i think. How do the caf boxing experts have those three ranked?
 
Desert Eagle said:
Spence vs Crawford will be a banger but the fight i want to see most right now is Shakur vs Haney. Tank is a monster too but those two are a little ahead of him i think. How do the caf boxing experts have those three ranked?
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Shakur I think beats them both. He's destined for the very top IMO.

Haney-Tank is a toss-up for me, would probably slightly favour Haney.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Shakur I think beats them both. He's destined for the very top IMO.

Haney-Tank is a toss-up for me, would probably slightly favour Haney.
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Agreed with this, think Shakir beats both, Tank does have massive power which makes me think he will catch Haney eventually but it would be a good fight.
 
Okolie needs to sort out his octopus style, I’m glad the ref deducted points from him, although he also was given two knockdowns that were fortunate to be given in my opinion.

But his style for the fight basically made it that way, punch then hold/grab is not only awful to watch but actually smothers his own work.

That 112-112 scorecard was actually mental.
 
I think I'd take Crawford.

Spence has the size and presence and volume to make it a really tough night. He's a big welter. Really a great big man should beat a great smaller man. But I think Crawford is potentially in a different category of great. An all timer if he wins this. I think he really needs a win like this to talk about legacies and going down in history. His record doesn't really match his ability and dominance.
 
Taylor lost over the weekend, a title that he shouldn’t have had anyway.

Mayweather also fought some infamous Gangsters son/grandson in one of his exhibitions that almost descended into a riot with, him attacking Mayweather after the bell. Numerous members in both teams and also fans then attacking each other. Int on these exhibitions is waning and I’m curious if his hunger for the spot light will supersede his fear of losing his zero ( and tarnishing his legacy) and he will be drawn back.
 
Nico87 said:
Taylor lost over the weekend, a title that he shouldn’t have had anyway.

Mayweather also fought some infamous Gangsters son/grandson in one of his exhibitions that almost descended into a riot with, him attacking Mayweather after the bell. Numerous members in both teams and also fans then attacking each other. Int on these exhibitions is waning and I’m curious if his hunger for the spot light will supersede his fear of losing his zero ( and tarnishing his legacy) and he will be drawn back.
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I watched the Taylor fight yesterday, surprised there wasn’t any interest on here. Deserved loss as well, arguably should have been further on the cards.
 
Kazi said:
Taylor done at elite level
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I think that may be a bit harsh.

Teofimo was brilliant on the night. I think Taylor changing trainers was a bad move for him and he didn't really have a plan B. That Teo would be pretty hard to beat however - that was the one in with Loma - not the version we seen against Kambosos and the fights since.

On the Taylor remark, it's easy to look at the Catteral and Lopez fight and think he's done at the top level but I still think he can compete and get back a world title.
 
SambaBoy said:
I think that may be a bit harsh.

Teofimo was brilliant on the night. I think Taylor changing trainers was a bad move for him and he didn't really have a plan B. That Teo would be pretty hard to beat however - that was the one in with Loma - not the version we seen against Kambosos and the fights since.

On the Taylor remark, it's easy to look at the Catteral and Lopez fight and think he's done at the top level but I still think he can compete and get back a world title.
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Teofimo did fight a very smart fight. It was good to see him revert back to his boxing instead of just trying to take people's heads off.

Taylor though has hung around for far too long at 140, and with the injuries he's suffered, I think stepping up to 147 has come too late for him. I'd be very surprised if he could take out any of Spence, Crawford or Ennis at welterweight.
 
SambaBoy said:
I think that may be a bit harsh.

Teofimo was brilliant on the night. I think Taylor changing trainers was a bad move for him and he didn't really have a plan B. That Teo would be pretty hard to beat however - that was the one in with Loma - not the version we seen against Kambosos and the fights since.

On the Taylor remark, it's easy to look at the Catteral and Lopez fight and think he's done at the top level but I still think he can compete and get back a world title.
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I’m sure he can still win a world title but no longer will be considered in top 10 p4p lists
 
M15 Red. said:
Teofimo did fight a very smart fight. It was good to see him revert back to his boxing instead of just trying to take people's heads off.

Taylor though has hung around for far too long at 140, and with the injuries he's suffered, I think stepping up to 147 has come too late for him. I'd be very surprised if he could take out any of Spence, Crawford or Ennis at welterweight.
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Wasn't ever on Spence or Crawford's level anyway even during his peak.
 
I don't think Taylor has it anymore. He made the same mistakes he did against Catterall. Wading in with no jab, falling in, smothering his own work. Everything seems to be a struggle rather than smooth.

I think he tried to write the Catterall one off as a bad night at the office but when you see the same things again it starts to look more like he's lost a step or two.

Still, he can chalk it up to a weight cut which is what most aging fighters do.
 
Canelo agreed to fight Jermell Charlo. Strange move really when everyone expected him to fight his brother, Jermell coming up two weight divisions is surely too much of an ask.
 
Anyone watch the DAZN and Sky shows last night?

Pat McCormack looks class but they’ll have to move him along at 28.

Ben Whitaker - clearly talented but I can’t make my mind up whether the brashness is tongue-in-cheek, he’s a genuine tit or a combination of both.

Crews-Dezurn v Marshall - just awful and devoid of any quality. The disparities in class between the decent female fighters and the rest is huge.
 
G-manc said:
Anyone watch the DAZN and Sky shows last night?

Pat McCormack looks class but they’ll have to move him along at 28.

Ben Whitaker - clearly talented but I can’t make my mind up whether the brashness is tongue-in-cheek, he’s a genuine tit or a combination of both.

Crews-Dezurn v Marshall - just awful and devoid of any quality. The disparities in class between the decent female fighters and the rest is huge.
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I did, was a fairly shit card, Whitaker styling on taxi drivers is pathetic to be honest in my opinion.

On a side note for Taylor, still basically robbed and then ducked Catterall.

Canelo bringing up Charlo two divisions so he can avoid Timmy is also hilarious, fight Benavidez ffs.
 
G-manc said:
Anyone watch the DAZN and Sky shows last night?

Pat McCormack looks class but they’ll have to move him along at 28.

Ben Whitaker - clearly talented but I can’t make my mind up whether the brashness is tongue-in-cheek, he’s a genuine tit or a combination of both.

Crews-Dezurn v Marshall - just awful and devoid of any quality. The disparities in class between the decent female fighters and the rest is huge.
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Yup ... Premature knockout on the Whitaker fight. Needs to fight more serious people a couple of levels above his current opponents to keep developing.

Jonas was really good, I felt. Not sure she took one hit the whole fight.

Crews-Dezurn is basically Lawrence Okolie to a much worse degree. Okolie can at least fight, she's basically a wrestler - shockingly good singer though
 
Glorio said:
Yup ... Premature knockout on the Whitaker fight. Needs to fight more serious people a couple of levels above his current opponents to keep developing.

Jonas was really good, I felt. Not sure she took one hit the whole fight.

Crews-Dezurn is basically Lawrence Okolie to a much worse degree. Okolie can at least fight, she's basically a wrestler - shockingly good singer though
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Best thing about the fight was her singing the National anthem. Likened her to Chisora. Swing and not much more
 
G-manc said:
Anyone watch the DAZN and Sky shows last night?

Pat McCormack looks class but they’ll have to move him along at 28.

Ben Whitaker - clearly talented but I can’t make my mind up whether the brashness is tongue-in-cheek, he’s a genuine tit or a combination of both.

Crews-Dezurn v Marshall - just awful and devoid of any quality. The disparities in class between the decent female fighters and the rest is huge.
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Gives me DeGale vibes. Talented but bit of a bellend and no power.
 
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Watching a rerun of the Anderson vs Martin fight and Martin looks like such a poor fighter.

Had Anderson hurt but didn't have the fundamentals to finish him. Really poor engine, swings like a pub brawler - no range on his hooks at all, very weird jab, rarely has his hands up, just stands upright making himself an open target.
 
Glorio said:
Watching a rerun of the Anderson vs Martin fight and Martin looks like such a poor fighter.

Had Anderson hurt but didn't have the fundamentals to finish him. Really poor engine, swings like a pub brawler - no range on his hooks at all, very weird jab, rarely has his hands up, just stands upright making himself an open target.
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Yeah Martin is a terrible figher, got gifted the IBF belt and then lost it straight away to AJ within a couple of rounds.

There's been a lot of criticism of Anderson after that fight, but I think it will stand him in good stead going forward, it was his toughest opponent to date and he's only 23 so plenty to learn before he can take on the likes of AJ/Fury etc.
 
SambaBoy said:
Yeah Martin is a terrible figher, got gifted the IBF belt and then lost it straight away to AJ within a couple of rounds.

There's been a lot of criticism of Anderson after that fight, but I think it will stand him in good stead going forward, it was his toughest opponent to date and he's only 23 so plenty to learn before he can take on the likes of AJ/Fury etc.
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Should definitely stand him in good stead as it's given him a dose of reality. He nowhere close to the big boys just yet
 
The whole idea with this is a tune up for AJ with a fair few quid generated but will the "blow off" fight with Fury ever happen or will he keep knocking over has beens/second raters indefinitely until he himself becomes one?
 
Gentleman Jim said:
The whole idea with this is a tune up for AJ with a fair few quid generated but will the "blow off" fight with Fury ever happen or will he keep knocking over has beens/second raters indefinitely until he himself becomes one?
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AJ and Fury are getting their mates paid. Both are semi retired imo, just spreading the wealth around before they go
 
ChrisNelson said:
Anthony Joshua v Dillian Whyte: Heavyweight rematch to take place on 12 August in London - BBC Sport

I'm very much a bandwagon boxing fan but isn't this another case of going back to the old fights because the top brass are finding it harder and harder to agree on terms?

It seems to be getting rarer and rarer to see the absolute best agreeing fights.
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Probably a good fight in fairness. Joshua is fighting Wilder in Saudi in December I think so needs another warm up fight after his last performance.

Whyte needs to prove himself too after his performance against Fury.
 
Nothing really to get excited about is there? Joshua will probably just fight a careful fight and knock Whyte out. If there's anyone more vulnerable than AJ at the top level it's probably Whyte. I guess it's a good "warm up", as if we needed a warm up in this heavyweight landscape.

Genuinely pathetic how long it takes to get a good fight on in boxing. Waited about a billion years for Spence/Crawford, potentially December before we see anything at heavy after a year of posturing and messing around. It's that demotivating they come round and I'm barely interested because they've spent so long fannying around my interest and energy for that particular fight is then low.
 
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Nothing really to get excited about is there? Joshua will probably just fight a careful fight and knock Whyte out. If there's anyone more vulnerable than AJ at the top level it's probably Whyte. I guess it's a good "warm up", as if we needed a warm up in this heavyweight landscape.

Genuinely pathetic how long it takes to get a good fight on in boxing. Waited about a billion years for Spence/Crawford, potentially December before we see anything at heavy after a year of posturing and messing around. It's that demotivating they come round and I'm barely interested because they've spent so long fannying around my interest and energy for that particular fight is then low.
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Yeah you're right, same will happen with Shakur/Haney. They'll fight in 3- 5 years time.
 
It's unfortunately a vicious cycle, the best avoid hard fights to protect their 0 losses, and then maintain unrealistically perfect records, which then means anyone who does lose that 0 loses a lot of credibility as a top fighter, and thus money, which of course circles back to them doing all they can to protect their records (and income).

If the best boxers are really mandated to fight good opponents, a lot of them lose their perfect records, and it's Ok (like most other sports), they're still recognised as great as their records will still be impressive.
In fact, I feel it will ramp up interest with fans (and income) as fights will generally be more exciting with more jeopardy.
 
There's too much money in the sport now. The top talent don't need to fight often. It's one fight a year for most which is ridiculous when comparing to other athletes.
 
Glorio said:
It's unfortunately a vicious cycle, the best avoid hard fights to protect their 0 losses, and then maintain unrealistically perfect records, which then means anyone who does lose that 0 loses a lot of credibility as a top fighter, and thus money, which of course circles back to them doing all they can to protect their records (and income).

If the best boxers are really mandated to fight good opponents, a lot of them lose their perfect records, and it's Ok (like most other sports), they're still recognised as great as their records will still be impressive.
In fact, I feel it will ramp up interest with fans (and income) as fights will generally be more exciting with more jeopardy.
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That's why such as Teofimo and Inoue are such breaths of fresh air.
They'll fight anyone at or around their weight for a decent payday unlike the pampered divas at more sexy weight classes.
 
Gringo said:
There's too much money in the sport now. The top talent don't need to fight often. It's one fight a year for most which is ridiculous when comparing to other athletes.
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Only for the select few, though.
Many highly ranked fighters at lighter weights make little money from boxing and leave the sport broken. It's the disparity that I hate.
 
I see it looks like Fury v Ngannou is going to happen. I told you all a long time ago that Fury is overrated and consistently ducks the toughest fights. He's been like this his whole career, guy is a joke. He's talented but a joke.
 
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