I didn’t know Usyk was fighting Dubois…what a weird state Heavyweight boxing is in
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I didn’t know Usyk was fighting Dubois…what a weird state Heavyweight boxing is in
Dubois is his mandatory WBA defence
Mayweather wrote the book on how to fleece the boxing public years ago. Fury is just doing the same in his own inimitable style.
Ok, didn’t know that. I’m sort of shocked to see Dubois up against someone of that level
Yeah it is an odd match and even odder when you realise Dubois is the WBA (regular) champion, whatever that means. He beat a Don King fighter in front of about 500 in Miami last year.
When you said he was mandatory I actually had to go to his wiki to see who he’d fought
Last thing I remember was him fighting in what looked like a warehouse on the shittest production ever….think that’s the fight you’re referring to. Mental that he’s now facing Usyk…little bit of a jump up in opposition
The hotel the fight took place in was in a dilapidated state. Dubois had to struggle to get any of his purse from King who tried to con him out if it.
Fury makes it easy for the likes of Eddie Hearn to say he’s irrational etc. because of his social media stuff but I feel like they’re all at it to a degree.
The Saudi financial package has pretty much knacked it for fights being held elsewhere too.
Matchroom are trying to sell Joshua v Whyte like it’s some sort of grudge match when that ship sailed ages ago. They’ve both regressed and not looked great in the last few years. I’m not sure why anyone would be that bothered. Same with Benn v Eubank now he’s been flattened by Liam Smith.
The current heavyweight division is going to out with a whimper. Who's the next generation ?
Joshua is just a complete fraud imo.
He's just a gimmick fighter who was hyped to the hilt by Matchroom and Sky.
His whole career has been one very clever and lucrative load of BS, he's never fought anyone truly dangerous and in his prime.
At some point he was a very hungry fighter but he has spent way too long with that nauseating promoter of his and then decided to just take the easier options for max money.
Who have been the top 3 most dangerous opponents Joshua could have faced in his career ? .. Fury, Wilder and maybe a prime Ortiz ??
The fact he has gone through his whole career and fought none of these guys is just horrendous and proves what a total fake he is.
I am ignoring Uzyk because he is not a dangerous fighter, he is a very good technical smaller fighter and was never really going to spark out Joshua.
Fair play he's made a ton of money but his boxing legacy is nothing to write home about.
A rematch with Whyte is just so Eddie Hearn with the usual grudge BS thrown in.
It amazes me the UK boxing fans still swallow this crap
He's just a gimmick fighter who was hyped to the hilt by Matchroom and Sky.
His whole career has been one very clever and lucrative load of BS, he's never fought anyone truly dangerous and in his prime.
At some point he was a very hungry fighter but he has spent way too long with that nauseating promoter of his and then decided to just take the easier options for max money.
Who have been the top 3 most dangerous opponents Joshua could have faced in his career ? .. Fury, Wilder and maybe a prime Ortiz ??
The fact he has gone through his whole career and fought none of these guys is just horrendous and proves what a total fake he is.
I am ignoring Uzyk because he is not a dangerous fighter, he is a very good technical smaller fighter and was never really going to spark out Joshua.
Fair play he's made a ton of money but his boxing legacy is nothing to write home about.
A rematch with Whyte is just so Eddie Hearn with the usual grudge BS thrown in.
It amazes me the UK boxing fans still swallow this crap
They're swallowing it in ever decreasing numbers as the air of invincibility he once had has well and truly gone.
A Wembley Stadium filler at one time struggles to get a decent number into the O2 these days.
Weak undercards don't help either.
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no interest in the fight but very happy to see Francis getting paid and one over on Dana
Absolute Joke of a fight. He is supposed to be the heavyweight champion of the world. He fights Chisora, ducks Usyk and now fights Francis. Fury needs to be stripped of his title, but we know that ain't happening.
I like Francis but Fury and Usyk are meant to be the standard bearers of the sport. There’s no reason this couldn’t be a fun, freak match when in retirement
Francis could get badly hurt.
It's just a cash grab, easiest fight for the most money, which is fine I suppose, but don't pretend you not about the money (which Fury does) when you clearly are all about the money.
Not Usyk?
Fury, Usyk, Wilder would be the pick. Folks underestimate Usyk at their own peril.
Whyte is the level below that.
Joshua has struggled to agree fights with 2 of those, and while there's loads of nonsense flying around, Wilder and Fury are probably more at fault for that fight not happening than him. At one point they actively froze him out, despite him having more belts.
Now Joshua is over hyped, don't get me wrong - but he still has a better CV than Fury and Wilder.
Klitschko, Parker, Povetkin, Usyk, Whyte, even Pulev are serious names to have on your CV.
Ortiz was already past his prime by the time Joshua was an established fighter.
Wilder is the biggest joker of all - how many champions has he actually fought? He took on what he thought was a finished Fury and got pulled into a trilogy, apart from that, you're basically scraping the barrel
State of boxing.
Somehow the Misfits shite ends up coming out as relatively good compared to the heavyweight division.
Somehow the Misfits shite ends up coming out as relatively good compared to the heavyweight division.
Probably saved a lot of it living rent free inside your head as well.
Oh how I would love it if Fury got sparked out by big francis! Slim chance, though zzzz
Just a pure money fight for Fury. Very telling that he would rather this than Usyk. He's avoiding Usyk as he never wants to lose his 0. The guy is a not a Hall of famer for this reason. Always trying to find a way out of the biggest fights. He's done this through most of his career. It's why I've never taken to him.
Joshua, despite having more flaws as a fighter has imo always looked to have the big fights. His CV is better than Fury's and he has 3 losses on it! So, I've got a lot of time for him.
His next and last fights are the exception to this but I don't begrudge a warm up fight for Wilder.
Just a pure money fight for Fury. Very telling that he would rather this than Usyk. He's avoiding Usyk as he never wants to lose his 0. The guy is a not a Hall of famer for this reason. Always trying to find a way out of the biggest fights. He's done this through most of his career. It's why I've never taken to him.
Joshua, despite having more flaws as a fighter has imo always looked to have the big fights. His CV is better than Fury's and he has 3 losses on it! So, I've got a lot of time for him.
His next and last fights are the exception to this but I don't begrudge a warm up fight for Wilder.
Calling Joshua a fraud while Fury is out here fighting an MMA guy is a vibe, Joshua has a better CV than Fury and Wilder imo even though he's lost a few, he hasn't fought a bum like Chisora x3 in fact you take out Wilder and Wladimir who on Fury's record has any sort of credibility at the top level, I do think Fury beats Joshua but his record is terrible.
Completely agree with this - it's a really weird claim to call out Joshua for ducking tough fights. You can question his ability as a top tier boxer, but you can't really question his CV compared to the other big names in the heavyweight scene.
This. Fury is the biggest fraud going. The 3 Wilder fights although good to watch just stat padded his CV. He’s barely fought anyone else other than Wlad who was halfway decent.
Now he’s ducking Usyk and fighting an MMA guy. Probably announce another retirement straight after or maybe fail another drugs test.
It's really very easy to be honest. His record as champion was pretty horrible and he continually ducked Fury and Wilder.
Was so ironic he then got beaten taking what he thought were easier fights.
Of the two of them, I think it's pretty fair to take the view that Fury is the bigger hurdle in getting that fight made.
Imagine calling Joshua a fraud when furys out here ducking fights to face a 36 year old MMA fighter with no boxing experience for craic.
It's so ironic. And just to labour how silly a fight this is for Fury, Jake Paul, a YouTuber has bested many ex-MMA fighters in a boxing ring. First time he came up against a poor part-time boxer, but a boxer nonetheless, he got beat.
It's no contest at all. I don't believe I've ever seen Fury take on a serious fighter when he has a belt - apart from the third fight with Wilder.
He's such a good boxer, but also such a ducker.
He ducked Klitchko for the rematch and literally left the sport; he's actively ducking Usyk, and gave AJ the run around a fair few times.
It’s telling how bad it’s got with Fury that only his utter one-eyed followers continue to give him credit for his behaviour.
There were bucketloads of boxing fans who by and large gave him the benefit of the doubt for years, but he’s gradually eroded them away with bullshit after bullshit, to the point where most boxing fans just want him to feck off into history now
There were bucketloads of boxing fans who by and large gave him the benefit of the doubt for years, but he’s gradually eroded them away with bullshit after bullshit, to the point where most boxing fans just want him to feck off into history now
It shouldn't be a contest over who the biggest fraud is that's the real problem.
Fury is guilty now of the same things Joshua was guilty of when he had the belts.
They are both as bad as each other
Fury is a hell of a lot worse, the shite he comes out with to avoid fights is farcical, especially seeing as he (legitimately) is a much better boxer than AJ
Agree with this. Fury is supposedly a guy keenly aware of boxing history. If that's so, he's surely aware of how paper thin his resume looks when stacked up against past greats. He should be cleaning up in this era, instead he's agreeing to fight people that are not even boxers. Clown stuff.
It's really not comparable.
AJ has never done something as embarassing as this Ngannou "fight". He fought his mandatories and his list of opponents looks like murderers row compared to Fury's.
You say it shouldn't be a contest and all people want to do is say who is the biggest ducker
They are both as bad as each other neither deserve any credit for what they have done as champion.
It's criminal they haven't fought each other and they are both equally to blame for that.
We should have had at least two fights between them now probably three like Wilder and Fury yet we will be lucky to see one before they are 40.
You say it shouldn't be a contest and all people want to do is say who is the biggest ducker
They are both as bad as each other neither deserve any credit for what they have done as champion
You're literally comparing them by saying this and it's incorrect.
I have absolutely no idea but I think you feel that would be some type of "gotcha" point when it wouldn't.
Let's say for argument that Joshua ducked Wilder and Fury ducked Usyk. Say that's equal. Outside of that Joshua has chosen to take much harder fights than Fury and never tried to sell a fight with someone who's never boxed before.
Case on point they are not "as bad as each other" Fury is significantly worse which is even more galling when he is clearly the better fighter.
They both fought Wlad, their best opponent perhaps. Definitely AJs. Fury did it first though. Wilder for me is better than anything else AJ has faced, especially in terms of the danger of the fight and the risk involved, and Fury fought him 3 times. Everybody wanted AJ vs Wilder a few years ago, yet as soon as Fury schooled him he was suddenly average etc. Yet AJ wouldn't fight him at the time. You'll probably claim Wilder ducked AJ, but I don't see why Wilder would have ducked AJ when he fought the better fighter in Fury 3 times, getting beat up a couple of times. Besides AJ has pretty much admitted it because the $50m apparently didn't make sense.
I think Usyk is a more difficult fight than Wilder. Wilder is more dangerous but there are a lot more chances to win against him.
Did AJ duck Wilder or was it the other way around? I have no idea. All I would say is to your point of Wilder taking the Fury fight, he thought Fury was finished as did most people. That's why he took it. He fought him in the rematches because what else was he supposed to do?
To me if you look at Usyk and Wilder as about levelling out and then look at Wlad being on both it's pretty much tied.
Then look at the rest of their resumes and it's not even remotely close. Ruiz, Povetkin, Parker, Takam and Whyte.
I'm not saying it's a hall of fame worthy list as it certainly isn't but when you look at who Fury's fought it looks like a murderers row.
This fight against someone who's literally never boxed before is the cherry on the cake though. I was defending Fury on here years before her returned and getting pelters for it but this is just a step too far for me.