The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Lance Uppercut said:
I agree with you that it's a tough fight for Khan. He could very well get his clock cleaned, as Judah can bang. That said, I would expect Khan to fight an ultra cautious fight, especially early. The longer the fight goes the more I would favour Khan.

A lot depends on Judah. As we all know the mythical "focused Zab" is unbeatable.
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If he tried to be aggressive I think Judah would just use it against him, so yeah, I think the sensible thing would be to keep it at long range for at least the first half of the fight.

Judah actually looked really good in his last fight, although he barely threw a shot. I don't think Mabuza landed a clean blow all fight, to be honest. Then look at how sloppy Khan looked against McCloskey, who's something of a poor man's Zab Judah in terms of style, and it just looks like a tough fight for Khan.

But will Zab bottle another big fight? Most likely.
 
gormless said:
Calzaghe was lucky to win that fight. He probably just about won on points, but to suggest he taught him how to box is hyperbole
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116-111, 115-112, 114-113.

No just, lucky or probably. Unanimous, with Calzaghe landing more shots than he'd ever done on anyone and not a mark on him.
 
OneToAnother said:
116-111, 115-112, 114-113.

No just, lucky or probably. Unanimous, with Calzaghe landing more shots than he'd ever done on anyone and not a mark on him.
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Actually, it was a split decision and Joe was knocked on his ass in the first round.
 
Hard to believe these days that Cheato was the favourite in that match.
 
Possibly earlier as it is on the East Coast. I have to Sky plus this one, as I have an early start in the morning. It will probably be Monday before I see it, as I have a tattoo show all day Sunday.

Looking forward to it, should be a tear up.
 
Thought Froch was disapointing for modt of that fight althought thought he probably had it by around 4 rounds, will need to step it up a bit again for the final though.
 
Thought he was good, i mean it's Froch, he's good not great but he did what he had to do against a very tough opponent. People rarely look good against Glen Johnson, even in victory.

I had to turn the sound of, Jim Watt was doing my nut. Since i did that i saw Froch win most of the rounds comfortably without Watt constantly telling me how "dangerous" or "close" it was.

The american commentary was vastly superior, a bit of banter and some genuine thought put into it.

Froch is such a warrior, how anyone can't love the guy as a fighter i'll never know. Takes his opponents best shots and comes back swinging every time. Love it.
 
It's unfortunate that he's going to get his tits kicked in by Ward. He also annoys me by constantly whining about his loss to Kessler. You lost. Man up, and accept it.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
It's unfortunate that he's going to get his tits kicked in by Ward. He also annoys me by constantly whining about his loss to Kessler. You lost. Man up, and accept it.
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true, i had it a draw in fairness to Froch and such a loss when it was a war will never sit well. His desire for a rematch is admirable in my opinion. THere's a lot of the old school in Carl, his willingness to travel, his attitude of fighting anyone, his attitude of wanting to avenge his defeat.

No idea how the ward fight will go. Ward is a class above but i've no idea if he has a good chin really, i expect Ward to win a UD but Froch cant be entirely ruled out. His will and warrior style could upset Ward and Ward is a classic example of home town champ, never fights anywhere but his doorstep and gets away with a lot of nastyness.

He's a fecking grade A Boxer though, his movement, defense, range of shots, the crispness of his punches, accuracy and skill level is all above Froch by a margin. Only Froch has the iron chin and the iron will and is the heavier handed. If Froch can get him into a scrap he can unsettle him and that's his only real chance.

BUt one thing is certain, Froch will do everything he can, he'll leave it all in the ring. I wouldnt be surprised if he loses in what goes down as the fight of the year.
 
The ease with which Ward dealt with Kessler surprised the shit out of me (as did the amount of fouling he got away with). The size of Ward on fight night, likewise.

With his skills and hand speed, I think he will run rings around Froch. There have been questions over his chin in the past, though, so maybe Froch has a chance. There is also the fact that Ward isn't a puncher.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
The ease with which Ward dealt with Kessler surprised the shit out of me (as did the amount of fouling he got away with). The size of Ward on fight night, likewise.

With his skills and hand speed, I think he will run rings around Froch. There have been questions over his chin in the past, though, so maybe Froch has a chance. There is also the fact that Ward isn't a puncher.
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Kessler was not Kessler that night in my books, he wasnt right. He wasnt the same man that stepped in against Joe or Carl after. Or maybe he doesnt travel well but something wasnt right with him.

No doubt he has the ability to do just that and it's exactly what he'll need to do. I frankly love watching Froch get smacked in the face because i know what he'll do, he's like a bull that sees red, he just goes after you if you hit him. So if Ward can crack him good (which is not in question) it's if he can get out the way every time Froch comes charging at him with the red in sight that makes it such an interesting fight.

Unless it's stopped on cuts (with the head of Ward it's possible) then it'll go the distance which means Ward will have to fight a near perfect fight to avoid getting tagged because Carl can punch and if just one is right he could have a chance. Not a one punch KO by any means but if he can disporientate him and discourage him. You have to admit that Froch will take Ward places he hasn't been before just based on his iron chin and iron will. you might beat Froch but you'll pay a price as the only man to beat him knows well.

That's what makes it such an interesting fight. Can't wait really.
 
Kessler's eye injury was sustained in the Ward fight.

I am also of the opinion that if the Dirrell fight had taken place in the US, Froch would have lost.
 
Before the Ward fight, actually.

COPENHAGEN, Denmark – Team Sauerland regrets to inform the boxing world that WBC Super Middleweight Champion Mikkel Kessler has been forced to pull out of the Super Six World Boxing Classic due to an eye injury. His title defence against Allan Green in Herning, Denmark on September 25 has been cancelled.

“This is the most disappointing moment of my boxing career,” Kessler said. “After defeating Carl Froch, I was on the way to win the tournament, so pulling out now really hurts. The eye problem has bothered me since the beginning of the Super Six in my preparation for the bout against Andre Ward. It also bothered me in the fights against Ward and Froch, and in my training for the fight against Green it has become unbearable.

I have consulted leading experts in Denmark and Germany and they have advised me to take a break from boxing so that the problem can heal. I have been assured that it will heal completely and that I will be back in the ring next year. As a fair sportsman, I do not want to delay the Super Six, which is still the best thing that has happened to boxing for a long time. I wish my fellow contestants the best of luck - may the best man win. I will be there to fight the winner in 2011.”
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Lance Uppercut said:
Kessler's eye injury was sustained in the Ward fight.

I am also of the opinion that if the Dirrell fight had taken place in the US, Froch would have lost.
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after his "knockout" against Abraham i lost a lot of respect for Dirrell.

Sustained before or during the Ward fight it was the Froch fight that exacerbated the eye injury to the point of him needing the break. He was close to be knocked out in the Froch fight. He was seriously hurt numerous times against Froch.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
after his "knockout" against Abraham i lost a lot of respect for Dirrell.

Sustained before or during the Ward fight it was the Froch fight that exacerbated the eye injury to the point of him needing the break. He was close to be knocked out in the Froch fight. He was seriously hurt numerous times against Froch.
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Kessler also seriously hurt Froch as well, in a fight which I thought he clearly won. No matter how much Froch whines about losing to a home decision. That is especially ironic, given that many onlookers think Dirrell was the victim of home cooking against Froch.

As for Dirrell, I had little respect for him anyway, after watching him stink the joint out against Curtis Stevens.
 
Regardless of what you think about him, Dirrell can box. He is awkward as feck, fast and puts his punches together well.

I saw vid of him training again on the pads and he looked sharpish
 
Some good fights coming up in the second half of the year.

Haye V Wlad
Floyd V Ortiz
Pac V Marq
Khan V Judah
Froch V Ward
 
Rooney1987 said:
Some good fights coming up in the second half of the year.

Haye V Wlad
Floyd V Ortiz
Pac V Marq
Khan V Judah
Froch V Ward
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the others i cant see any surprises.

Why is Pac fighting Marquez again... besides money of course.

Kahn should have too much for Judah at this stage and Floyd will do Ortiz. Although at least at the weight Ortiz poses a threat in comparison to Marquez at that weight against Pac.
 
Haye posing for pictures with another image of decapotation. This time it's only Wlad and this time it's on a poster.
 
Spoke to Dave Coldwell and Ryan Rhodes last night for like half an hour, both are excited for the Alvarez fight. Ready to do Canelo as Ryan is the first true jr middleweight Canelo has faced.
 
I haven't been overly impressed with Alvarez, thus far. He hasn't looked anything special to me. Yet.

I give Rhodes a decent shot in this one.
 
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