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I absolutely hate him. I also can't agree that people will miss him when he retires. The guy is so boring HBO refuse to show his fights. He has been dominant, but his opposition has been garbage. Watching Wlad fight is sort of like watching a kid poke a lizard with a stick. The kid always wins, and almost always by KO . . . but watching him tentatively poke at it for hours, waiting for it to slowly bleed to death, just doesn't do it for me.

Guys that he is capable of getting out of there in a couple rounds he carries for 11. Joe Mesi knocked out Davarryl Williamson in 83 seconds. Wlad fought tentatively, went FIVE rounds with him, got knocked down and escaped with a technical, majority decision. Then there is the Brewsturd debacle, when he claimed he was drugged. :lol:

He has no fighting spirit. He has already said he is going to jab, jab, and grab Haye for 11 rounds. His own words. This from supposedly the number one HW in the world. What a joke. He never avenged his losses to Purrity or Sanders, and his total faggotry when it comes to negotiating contracts makes me want to puke.

I don't like Vitali, either, but at least I respect him.

So yeah, there are some of the reasons for my hatred. :)


Haha quality rant. Can't really disagree with much there.

I don't like Wladimir's style either (at least his post-Steward style - and who the feck does?) but it's ruthlessly effective. His team know his chin's dreadful so they've transformed him into a guy that doesn't even entertain the prospect of throwing a power punch till he's certain his opponent is too fecked to hit him back. He wasn't always like that though... I rewatched the Mercer fight a couple of weeks ago and it always shocks me to see how different he was and how impressive his attacking arsenal was.

As for his opposition being poor... you can only beat what's in front of you and he's pretty much cleaned out the entire division (albeit a pretty terrible one) over the last few years. Haye is being heralded as a potential signature win but if he beats him people will just give it the whole "who the feck's David Haye ever beaten?"
 
Nah. He seems adamant.

True, but I can't see him retiring on a loss. I also suspect that he will try and fight Vitali if he wins and that will take him past his retirement date. Unless Vitali sustains an "injury" and pulls out of his September fight!
 
Haye sure does talk a good fight , but when it come to fight time he cant deliver , his last few fights have been worse than dreadful.
Wladimir is not much better.
The heavyweight division is a bit of a joke right now.
Still not sure if I want to pay £15 to watch this.
 
Haye sure does talk a good fight , but when it come to fight time he cant deliver , his last few fights have been worse than dreadful.
Wladimir is not much better.
The heavyweight division is a bit of a joke right now.
Still not sure if I want to pay £15 to watch this.

The Fraudley fight was exactly what I (and many, many others) said it would be. A joke. It was a fight that Haye didn't want.

Prior to that he demolished Ruiz and put him into retirement. You thought that was dreadful?
 
And he definitely fought a good, clever fight against Valuev

Haye is a top quality fighter, no doubt about it, to suggest otherwise is laughable really
 
Wladmir is boring as feck. Technically, a good boxer, better than his brother but he doesn't have a great deal of balls. Doesn't have a great chin and so doesn't like to get hit. And when he does, he retreats into his shell. You hit Vitali, he'll hit you right back. So I think Vlad's better overall.

Be fair to him though, he's maximised the talent given to him and dominated the sport. But its not how I like to see heavyweights box and fighters like Wlad and Valuev are draining the sport.

Haye's a prick but a hilarious one and clearly doing it all to sell the fight. I think he's genuinely gotten under Wlad's skin though and that could affect his fighting on the night.
 
Hayes smack talk isn't just to sell the fight its also to try to wind wlad up to the point he steps forward and fights rather than ploding around hiding behind his reach/size advantage.

Freddie roach said the way to beat klitschko is to get him out of his comfort zone, i fully expect Haye to be talking shit/acting a knob in the ring too in an attempt to unsettle him. If he can get wlad pissed to the point he actually trades with him i fancy haye to knock him out

im not sure if it'll work myself though, i think wlad will stick to his gameplan and try to see out a boring points victory regardless of hayes antics. he also strikes me as being a bit simple and i'm not sure he's fully understood half the shit hayes spouted anyway!
 
I'm pretty sure Wlad is multi-lingual, an excellent chess player and holds a PHD as well.
 
Yep, how anyone can think Wlad is simple is a but curious, especially when said person is praising Haye. I don't mind Haye at all, and don't really care who wins the fight as long as it's good, but as far as intelligence goes, Wlad is 10x smarter than Haye.
 
I absolutely hate him. I also can't agree that people will miss him when he retires. The guy is so boring HBO refuse to show his fights. He has been dominant, but his opposition has been garbage. Watching Wlad fight is sort of like watching a kid poke a lizard with a stick. The kid always wins, and almost always by KO . . . but watching him tentatively poke at it for hours, waiting for it to slowly bleed to death, just doesn't do it for me.

Guys that he is capable of getting out of there in a couple rounds he carries for 11. Joe Mesi knocked out Davarryl Williamson in 83 seconds. Wlad fought tentatively, went FIVE rounds with him, got knocked down and escaped with a technical, majority decision. Then there is the Brewsturd debacle, when he claimed he was drugged. :lol:

He has no fighting spirit. He has already said he is going to jab, jab, and grab Haye for 11 rounds. His own words. This from supposedly the number one HW in the world. What a joke. He never avenged his losses to Purrity or Sanders, and his total faggotry when it comes to negotiating contracts makes me want to puke.

I don't like Vitali, either, but at least I respect him.

So yeah, there are some of the reasons for my hatred. :)

Watched a re run of George Foreman V Ron Lyle in '76. Unbelievable action from both fighters, it was a war that fight.

Couldnt agree more about the current state of the division
 
I'm not a massive boxing fan but i usually tune in to the big fights and cheer on the uk fighter, but...i cannot for the life of me warm to David Haye. Such an unlikeable prick of a man. I can't believe that at this stage i dont even know who i'm gonna support on saturday. Could be the first fight i've watched that i'm not bothered who wins.
 
Yep, how anyone can think Wlad is simple is a but curious, especially when said person is praising Haye. I don't mind Haye at all, and don't really care who wins the fight as long as it's good, but as far as intelligence goes, Wlad is 10x smarter than Haye.

I stand corrected on the 'he seems a bit simple remark' but i didn't praise haye in comparrison did I? I said Hayes' plan is to unsettle klitchko with his remarks which is plainly obvious. But then haye is a bit of a wideboy at heart and this kind of talk comes naturally too him, wlad just doesn't seem to have the same kind of confidence in the pressers as haye does. IMHO of course
 
Does anyone know a rough time that this is likely to start tomorrow?
 
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The Fraudley fight was exactly what I (and many, many others) said it would be. A joke. It was a fight that Haye didn't want.

Prior to that he demolished Ruiz and put him into retirement. You thought that was dreadful?

Haye - fought Monte Barrett who was never any good, then he fought Valuev, who was one of the worst champions ever and just about won.

Ruiz was seriously past his best after him he fought the great Audley Harrison.

For all Haye's dissing of Klitcho fighting unknown or lesser fighters, Haye himself has fought worse opposition by far.

Just another fighter hyped up to the bollix by Sky Sports, he has done feck all for the heavyweight division nor won't either as he's set to retire in November at 30 years old!
 
Haye - fought Monte Barrett who was never any good, then he fought Valuev, who was one of the worst champions ever and just about won.

Ruiz was seriously past his best after him he fought the great Audley Harrison.

For all Haye's dissing of Klitcho fighting unknown or lesser fighters, Haye himself has fought worse opposition by far.

Just another fighter hyped up to the bollix by Sky Sports, he has done feck all for the heavyweight division nor won't either as he's set to retire in November at 30 years old!


Haye has only been a HW 5 minutes though, unlike Waldimir.

Don't really get those that hate Haye for his comments or attitude. He always comes across as a decent bloke when on TV and he's not doing the fight promo or callout stuff. He said himself in a recent interview that he's had to do all this stuff to get his name out there and its worked. Look how quick he got a title fight and now this fight as well.

Myself, I want him to win because he's British but also because he's an exciting fighter to watch in the ring and his comments out the ring in buildup. He's no where near what Nazeem was for it but at least makes an effort. You also have to give him credit for going over to another country and fighting the away game for a belt again, something a lot of the yank fighters for example don't do.
 
Just another fighter hyped up to the bollix by Sky Sports, he has done feck all for the heavyweight division nor won't either as he's set to retire in November at 30 years old!
For all that at least he's a boxer from Bermondsey not a completely manufactured article like Vlad the Imposter.
 
I have ordered this fight. And I am by no means a boxing expert. But will be shocked if Klitschko does not win

And I will say 5th round KO
 
Haye - fought Monte Barrett who was never any good,

Really. He went 7 rounds with Wlad. 5 with Haye.

Barret weent then he fought Valuev, who was one of the worst champions ever and just about won.

He clearly won, and is the only person to hurt Valuev. Wlad, of course, might have done. However, he never had the balls to get in the ring with "one of the worst HW champions." Despite talking about how he wanted to unify for years.

Ruiz was seriously past his best

Yep. You know who never fought him despite this? Wlad. Despite Ruiz holding the WBA belt on more than one occasion. And despite Wlad "wanting to unify."

after him he fought the great Audley Harrison.

Indeed. Because clueless turds like you wanted to see it. "They are both, like, British, huh huh."

For all Haye's dissing of Klitcho fighting unknown or lesser fighters, Haye himself has fought worse opposition by far.

No, he hasn't. Name Wlad's signature win. Chris Byrd? :lol:

His own trainer says that this will be his career defining fight. Manny Steward. Feel free to look it up. I realise you have absolutely no idea who that is. 55 fights and he is looking at his career defining fight against

Just another fighter hyped up to the bollix by Sky Sports, he has done feck all for the heavyweight division nor won't either as he's set to retire in November at 30 years old!

To further correct you, it's 31.

He unified the CW title. Moved up to HW, and defeated one current, and one former WBA champ within 5 fights. Wlad managed to avoid getting in the ring with both.

To summarise, you are absolutely clueless and I am embarrassed for you.
 
Im going with haye inside 8, hopefully spend a good few round completely taking him apart first though
 
What the hell is wrong with these tools?

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By the way, a friend of mine spoke to a local socialite in Berlin, and he said that Wlad is "allegedly" a known fag who is in a LTR with Philipp Lahm of the German football team.
 
A little write up on ESPN/Grantland on the fight and what it means/might mean for the heavyweight division.

Klitschko vs. Haye: Why you should care
Saturday's championship bout and the fight to rekindle interest in heavyweight boxing
By Eric RaskinPOSTED JUNE 30, 2011

Wladimir Klitschko is the heavyweight champion of the world, a title that used to be all you needed to rank among the most famous people on the planet. He's won 13 straight fights — 10 by knockout — and he's been the king of his weight class for five years. But to those who don't follow boxing, his name is at best vaguely familiar. Many Americans only know the towering Ukrainian because they've seen him in gossip rags with his ex, Hayden Panettiere; or they watched the episode of The Ellen DeGeneres Show on which the flyweight actress explained how a 5-foot-1 woman and a 6-foot-6 man can have sex.

Klitschko's underwhelming Q-score is due partly to a generation-long swoon in boxing's popularity, but also to what he has personally done to kill interest in the heavyweight division. It also doesn't help that Klitschko has a brother, Vitali, who is similarly dominant in the ring and nearly indistinguishable from Wladimir to most casual sports fans.

On Saturday night in Hamburg, Germany, Klitschko will defend his championship against David Haye in the most hype-worthy heavyweight fight in nine years. You can interpret that superlative largely as an indictment of what's become of the division. Nevertheless, this is a big fight. It's almost a world-stops-spinning event in Europe, and on a July 4th weekend with little to watch besides midseason baseball, it's a chance to convince American fans that they should care about boxing. Here's what you need to know about Klitschko's showdown with Haye.

What the hell happened to the heavyweight division?

The brothers Klitschko have ruled the heavyweight division since Lennox Lewis retired in 2003. Part of the problem — with U.S. audiences, at least — is that the Klitschkos aren't American. Another problem is that so many heavyweight boxers have ruined the fun of super-slo-mo with their undulating man-boobs. The biggest problem, however, is the way Wladimir has elected to fight since suffering a pair of crushing knockout losses in 2003 and 2004. Klitschko's modus operandi is to keep opponents away from his chin at all costs. He achieves this by jabbing, grabbing, and refusing to open up offensively until trainer Emanuel Steward has gone hoarse from screaming at Wladimir to finish his opponent.

In boxing, it's not enough to win; you're expected to entertain. But if you get knocked out trying to entertain, then you were stupid for not just fighting to win.

Wladimir's cautious and effective style has won him 13 consecutive fights. Yet Klitschko's refusal to use his full offensive arsenal has been utterly maddening. There's nothing wrong with pitching like Jamie Moyer, but if Moyer had Randy Johnson's fastball and still pitched like Jamie Moyer, you'd be annoyed, right? Klitschko's fastball is so explosive that he ends a lot of fights early almost by accident, making him, somehow, a safety-first knockout artist. Unfortunately, it's the "safety first" part that governs all but the final few seconds of his fights, and the resulting tedium eventually convinced HBO to slash heavyweight coverage. Saturday's fight will be the first heavyweight title bout the network has aired in 18 months. Klitschko's success in the ring may be unassailable, but the fact remains that his fights are usually a chore to watch.

So, seriously, which Klitschko is which?

Wladimir is 35 years old and stands 6-foot-6. Vitali is 39 and 6-foot-7. Wladimir holds two alphabet belts, The Ring magazine title, and calls himself "Dr. Steelhammer." Vitali has one belt and goes by "Dr. Ironfist." Wladimir recently broke up with a starlet. Vitali is married with kids. Wlad is a more athletic fighter with greater offensive variety and more technical skill. Vitali is awkward and ungainly but takes a better punch and possesses more of a killer instinct. If they ever fought, most boxing experts predict Vitali would win, but they've vowed never to meet in the ring, so forget about that. Vitali ran for public office in the Ukraine. Wladimir does magic tricks.

Who is David Haye?

Haye is a former cruiserweight champion who packed on 15 extra pounds, grabbed the one alpha-belt not held by the Klitschkos, and became a marketable challenger at a time when nobody else fits the bill. He's British, like Lennox Lewis, but unlike Lewis he's a small heavyweight with a big mouth. And, yes, that mouth earned Haye a shot at Klitschko more than anything he has done in the ring.

Haye declared Wladimir "solely responsible for killing the heavyweight division." Haye also caused the Klitschkos great displeasure by wearing a T-shirt that depicted himself holding the decapitated heads of both brothers. When HBO analyst Max Kellerman asked Haye during a prefight interview why he hates Klitschko, Haye replied "because he's clearly a dickhead" with Wlad sitting two feet away from him. If you close your eyes and listen to the fighters' conversation with Kellerman, it sounds something like a debate between Ali G and Borat, especially when Klitschko refers to Haye's jewelry as "flashy-flash."

Is this fight going to make heavyweight boxing matter again?

If Klitschko wins in his usual style — pecking away from a distance, softening Haye up, and finally stopping him in the late rounds — then this fight does nothing but add a thin layer of padding to Klitschko's Hall of Fame candidacy.

However, if Klitschko recognizes the fight as his opportunity to impress a wider audience, it could be a thriller. These are two talented, chiseled fighters with heavyweight punches and cruiserweight chins. Most boxing observers believe Haye will be in trouble the first time he gets hit with a power shot; it follows that his best chance to win is to land his own bombs before Klitschko can drill him.

Every few months boxing fans get their hopes up that one fight or another will return the sport to relevance, but it never turns out that way. If this trash-talking David upsets an uninspiring Goliath, that would provide a step forward for boxing. If said Goliath scores a sensational knockout in a dramatic fight, it would be a victory for HBO, the heavyweight division, and the Klitschko brand. It might even help to separate that brand into two distinct halves, with Wladimir standing an inch taller than Vitali for a change.