Not sure whether that's calmness or just that he's utterly devoid of personality.
The RedCafe Boxing Thread
- Thread starter CLK_FPC
- Start date
Not sure whether that's calmness or just that he's utterly devoid of personality.
He's got plenty of personality.
He just looks very relaxed, safe in the knowledge that he's probably going to beat Haye.
He just looks very relaxed, safe in the knowledge that he's probably going to beat Haye.
He comes across as an absolute dullard, in my opinion. Not in the sense that he's stupid, just completely boring (much like his fighting style). I hope Haye beats him and makes the heavyweight division a bit interesting again.
Anybody watch Webb vs Aaron? My lord.............
Top post. Wlad is used to fighting static unfit heavyweights who usually don't have a go at him till its too late. If Haye has a go at him he stands every chance of getting the job done inside 4-5 rounds.
I disagree, hes been the funnier of the two in the interviews that have been done so far.
The losses that have been put up was when Wlad was a completely different fighter, hes was a lot more wild then, of the last 5 years, you cant fault him, other then his un-entertaining style.
Its not his fault that the HW division is weak. And he has beaten fast handed fighters in Bryd and Chambers.
Its not his fault that the HW division is weak. And he has beaten fast handed fighters in Bryd and Chambers.
Nobody is saying Wlad is shit but a few of you arn't giving Haye any chance.
I am giving Haye a chance, a big chance, if he can get inside and crack Wlad chin then a stoppage is likely, but i am backing Wlad to win within 8 rounds.
No rivers for degale etc...?
Abraham-Ward just about to start. I wonder if Abraham will remember to throw a few punches tonight.
What does everyone think of a Haye vs Vitali if it happens?
A one sided ass kicking, by all accounts. Predictable, I didn't bother staying up for it. I hope Froch beats Glencappuccinno, that would make for a good final.
Ward to win the whole thing, obviously.
Abraham made it very competitive for the first few rounds. Threw a fair amount of punches, roughed Ward up and outlanded him. Then from about Round 4 onwards he just went to shite again. He's got a great chin and he's a savage puncher but his footwork is leaden and he just doesn't let his hands go. Shame, as I loved the guy at middleweight. Johnson-Froch should be great.
I think Haye will be too quick too smart, a KO one brother then the other.
I don't know what poeple have seen of Vladimir to think he is gonna destroy Haye, He's on go slow, can't see him getting near Haye.
You think he will KO both? I've never seen Vitali fight but I've heard he's a completely different beast. 42 wins, 39 by KO and his only 2 losses were due to having to stop the fight due to injuries, one to his shoulder and a deep cut above his eye. There must have been a half decent challenge in one of them?
I'd like to think Haye could, but then again I've never seen Vitali fight so can only go by the figures etc.
The Lewis fight was stopped because his face looked like something out of a horror movie, due to Lewis punching him.
Is that just one fighter that did it to him though or a reflection of him as a whole? That he would end up the same vs any decent fighter?
No, he is a very formidable fighter. Decent power (though he is not a one punch guy), great chin, and an awkward style. Being 6'8" also helps. I do think he has a tendency to cut (Johnson only landed a handful of punches and marked him up), although few opponents are able to advantage of it. I also think he has slowed in recent years.
Unfortunately, he is operating in a shitty era, so it is hard to rate him with the very best. Quitting against Byrd in a fight that he was winning doesn't look good. He never avenged that defeat, either. Still, he is a tougher fight for Haye than Wlad, in my opinion.
Unfortunately, he is operating in a shitty era, so it is hard to rate him with the very best. Quitting against Byrd in a fight that he was winning doesn't look good. He never avenged that defeat, either. Still, he is a tougher fight for Haye than Wlad, in my opinion.
People grow as fighters and the mistakes they make previously they tend not to make late on. People claim Wlad fights boring etc and it's because of fights like these.
He has changed his style to prevent this from happening, personally I feel Haye will catching him at some point, he is too fast and furious not to but in the same breath if Wlad continues to use his jab as a meter stick to keep Haye at bay etc the fight will be a long one.
And that's not even taking into account what happens when Wlad lands
Its a fair point, however I just think he is still way too pedestrian to not get danced around and picked off at some point. I think its all down to whether Haye goes in with the right mindset.
If he uses speed as his main weapon then I still stand by my prediction of him getting the job done within 5 rounds. He should approach this in a slightly similar way to the Valuev fight just with alot more agression and slightly less evasiveness.
If he uses speed as his main weapon then I still stand by my prediction of him getting the job done within 5 rounds. He should approach this in a slightly similar way to the Valuev fight just with alot more agression and slightly less evasiveness.
Wlad basically lets fighters give up then beats them. He has power and a great defense. He's so big he just puts that hand out, like holding you off which i think is rediculous that him and his brother get away with it. I mean your arm is extended all the time, basically pushing your opponent all the time. It's not boxing, it's a farce.
I don't underestimate him though, his size and power could be the end of Haye but i have never seen a fight where Haye did not land a big shot on his opponents chin ever. Even in his one loss he battered him in the early goings. Haye will land, can Wlad take a Hayemaker?
I don't underestimate him though, his size and power could be the end of Haye but i have never seen a fight where Haye did not land a big shot on his opponents chin ever. Even in his one loss he battered him in the early goings. Haye will land, can Wlad take a Hayemaker?
Haye basically blasted his way through his early fights at cruiserweight, he was fun as hell to watch. That loss probably was the best thing that could have happened to him at that point, he punched himself out in that fight. In saying that he rocked The Cat with some brutal shots that I don't think many boxers could have taken.
Saying all that a good jab and timing offsets speed, Cotto found success against Pac early by working behind his jab people are picking Mayweather over Pac because his timing and jab are some of the finest in the game.
Difference there is that Pac doesn't slow down or tire, Haye does.
I think just as important as Haye moving getting inside and landing is him not allowing Wlad to get into a rhythm and get his jab going.
Difference there is that Pac doesn't slow down or tire, Haye does.
I think just as important as Haye moving getting inside and landing is him not allowing Wlad to get into a rhythm and get his jab going.
I don't agree with that. It happened in the Thompson fight, but I don't recall it happening since. He had no problem going 12 with Valuev, and did his best work at the end of that fight.
He's definately become better at pacing himself and won't tire like most heavyweight big punchers do, mainly because he is still pretty much built like a cruiserweight in athletic terms.
The thing about Haye is he has the movement that has been sorely lacking in all of Wlads opponents. That and his ability to land with power with either hand.
Wlad is a brutal puncher and he does have good hand speed but if Haye can frustrate him and land his shots and remain a hard target he'll give Wlad more problems than he's had in a long time.
Will it be enough i don't know but i genuinely think Haye has the talent and punch to end the fight inside 6 rounds. I'm optomistic but i'd love Haye to win, i find Wlad very boring and Haye is just the tonic for him.
Wlad is a brutal puncher and he does have good hand speed but if Haye can frustrate him and land his shots and remain a hard target he'll give Wlad more problems than he's had in a long time.
Will it be enough i don't know but i genuinely think Haye has the talent and punch to end the fight inside 6 rounds. I'm optomistic but i'd love Haye to win, i find Wlad very boring and Haye is just the tonic for him.
Question for the boxers, Lance etc.
The style of the Bitchkos, with their jab arm extended almost in the face of the opponent is surely an illegal move in boxing. I'm no expert, i love the sport of boxing but i've never read through the rules or done any formal training but surely this technique of having one hand basically pawing around the face/chest of your opponent is an illegal move. If your not throwing a punch your basically using your reach to obscure your opponents view and to hold them off at all times. What do you make of this?
The style of the Bitchkos, with their jab arm extended almost in the face of the opponent is surely an illegal move in boxing. I'm no expert, i love the sport of boxing but i've never read through the rules or done any formal training but surely this technique of having one hand basically pawing around the face/chest of your opponent is an illegal move. If your not throwing a punch your basically using your reach to obscure your opponents view and to hold them off at all times. What do you make of this?
It's unethical (I don't know the exact rules either!) but I couldn't see it being illegal. It's awkward but a fast counter puncher or a bob and weaver and suddenly using his reach to keep opponents at bay might not be so effective.
Cleverly V Braehmer is off, the latter pulled out. Will it still be box office?
I want to see the DeGale V Groves fight. Any pre fight thoughts on this? predictions?
I want to see the DeGale V Groves fight. Any pre fight thoughts on this? predictions?
I am pretty sure that gay, pawing shit that Wlad does is illegal. Lewis used to come in for criticism for it as well, although I don't think he was as bad as Wlad. The common denominator between the two is obvious.
Unfortunate that the Cleverly fight is off. Will there be a substitute opponent?
From what I have seen of DeGale and Groves in the pro ranks, I think this will be an easy win for DeGale. I hope I am spectacularly wrong.
Unfortunate that the Cleverly fight is off. Will there be a substitute opponent?
From what I have seen of DeGale and Groves in the pro ranks, I think this will be an easy win for DeGale. I hope I am spectacularly wrong.
Alot of fighters do that pawing and a ref will generally allow it to go so far before he gives a warning. Mayweather does it alot but quickly follows throught with the other hand which leaves an oponents defences very vulnerable.
Tony Bellew has stepped into fight for the WBO title against Cleverly. Could be fun, both unbeaten, both got good power.
I hate that pawing shit, Mayweather doesnt do it much, Wlad just keeps his big stupid hand in his opponents face all night because he's so afraid of getting hurt. He's heartless.
Lance i'm going for a Groves win. He had a couple of stumbles as a pro but i think his deternimation should get him through. DeGale is favourite but Groves is the man with something to prove. He's been written off, always a great position for a fighter.
I hate that pawing shit, Mayweather doesnt do it much, Wlad just keeps his big stupid hand in his opponents face all night because he's so afraid of getting hurt. He's heartless.
Lance i'm going for a Groves win. He had a couple of stumbles as a pro but i think his deternimation should get him through. DeGale is favourite but Groves is the man with something to prove. He's been written off, always a great position for a fighter.
Haye and DeGale had a little verbal between the two recently didn't they?
DeGale is extroadinarily cocky, for this reason alone I wouldn't mind seeing him knocked flat out.
He called Groves ugly though which was fairly amsuing.
DeGale is extroadinarily cocky, for this reason alone I wouldn't mind seeing him knocked flat out.
He called Groves ugly though which was fairly amsuing.
I hope Groves knocks his fat, stupid head into Bolivian. I can't see it, though.
I wonder what kind of shape Bellew is in. Cleverly will be too good for him, regardless, IMO.
Oh, and Braehmer is a fruitloop, I hope he is stripped.
I wonder what kind of shape Bellew is in. Cleverly will be too good for him, regardless, IMO.
Oh, and Braehmer is a fruitloop, I hope he is stripped.
Bellew's a great opponent at such short notice, should be a decent fight. Cleverly should have a bit too much for him, but Bellew's very much a live opponent.
he was, Cleverly has the belt now. It's a title fight.
Groves is the biggest test for DeGale either way, Degale seems too dismissive, i expect the best Groves on the night.
Two months training for a southpaw, only to be facing a right hander on a couple of days notice. Ouch.
That press conference went well I thought
Never understood why people dislike 'cocky' boxers. Its all for promotion you feckwits!