The RedCafe Boxing Thread

lsd said:
Hey feel free to keep spending money on these AJ "fights" and believing he is a true champion when he won't face a real opponent .

As for his belts you would nearly think he won them by beating the world champion going by the posts here instead of beating a 40 you who had been retired for vacant titles .

There is a saying in boxing to be the man you have to beat the man and since the lineal world champion is Fury then AJ can't be the man

Also it's not football you can make decisions without your agent what sort of argument as that supposed to be?

Ali Frazier met on their own and they were not friends
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Remind me...who did Wilder fight for his WBC belt? Why didn't he fight any of the Klitschko brothers, despite being a Pro for much longer and have way more fights than AJ? Also after getting the WBC strap, Shelly Finkel himself said that Wilder is not ready for Wlad, despite having 30 odd pro fights. That tells you all you need to know.

It's not AJ's fault that Fury was out of boxing for 2 and a half years. What is he meant to do? Wait till Fury gets back, regains his belts and then fight him for them? You can't put a whole division on hold because ''the lineal champion'' looked like he was never coming back to boxing after his mental health issues.

What Tyson did in Germany was incredible, but is it not fair to say that a long reigning HW world champion can have an off day against a very tricky, skilled and awkward fighter like Fury? Fury also did not give Wlad a rematch, a fight in which we would have seen a far more motivated Wlad than the one in Dusseldorf.

AJ has tried to reach out to Wilder for a 1 on 1, but Wilder has ''other plans''.
 
lsd said:
There is and it's Tyson fury as your link even says whether you like it or not
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You need to educate yourself on the history of boxing. He lost his claim to the lineal title through retirement/inactivity. That's why the link I post shows his reign ending in 2016. He is not the lineal heavyweight champion. He has no claim to any heavyweight title.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
You need to educate yourself on the history of boxing. He lost his claim to the lineal title through retirement/inactivity. That's why the link I post shows his reign ending in 2016. He is not the lineal heavyweight champion. He has no claim to any heavyweight title.
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He loses his claim when he is beaten
 
lsd said:
He loses his claim when he is beaten
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No he doesn't. You lose your claim when you retire or when you have been inactive for two years. He hit both those standards and as such has no claim to any title. He never even defended his title. If Fury or his fans want to try and change the historical standards of boxing then it reflects only of a small time mentality.
 
lsd said:
Hey feel free to keep spending money on these AJ "fights" and believing he is a true champion when he won't face a real opponent .

As for his belts you would nearly think he won them by beating the world champion going by the posts here instead of beating a 40 you who had been retired for vacant titles .

There is a saying in boxing to be the man you have to beat the man and since the lineal world champion is Fury then AJ can't be the man

Also it's not football you can make decisions without your agent what sort of argument as that supposed to be?

Ali Frazier met on their own and they were not friends
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You don't have to be a fan to see the wood for the trees pal.

He could've won them by beating a 96 year old blind quadriplegic, it doesn't matter. He holds them. Wilder and Fury do not. Call me old fashioned, but if you want to make a credible claim to being the best in the division, you might want to make an effort to the fight the guy that has all but one belt in the weight division. Asking for a 60/40 split in this situation is hardly unreasonable. Baffling that you seem to be defending them here.

I think you need to look at how the lineal champ thing works, mate.

Of course he can make a decision without his team there, much like I could remortgage my home and invest it all in shares without first seeking advice. It would be stupid though because I know sod all about them. He employs people to look after these things for him, and yet you want him to decline their help because Wilder has made a ridiculous request? Crazy that in this situation you decide to AJ is being the unreasonable one. Who cares if Hearn is there if you're being offered the chance to unify the division, putting your one belt on the line for a chance to win 4, to get comfortably your biggest ever pay day.
 
Have this on at the minute. Really don't think I have it in me to stay up until around 3 when the ring walk presumably takes place. There actually isn't one captivating fight on this card.
 
lsd said:
It was 80 million for 3 fights and they wouldn't tell him what Joshua was getting plus he has tried to get a face to face with Joshua but Joshua wont meet him without Hearn .

Bottom line is no matter how many excuses Joshua and his fans make 2 of the 3 are happy to face each other and respect the other but have no respect for Joshua who just isn't willing to commit to a fight .

Add that to tonight's embarrassment of a fight .
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Am has called him out numerous times and asked Wilder to just come and hash it out with no promoters. Wilder doesn’t want it and that’s clear as day. He doesn’t even show up to the AJ fights now and even after having a fight with Fury Wilders pay per views buys are terrible. Infact his last fight sold less that the steverne fight and he didn’t even sell out the venue. This guy thinks he deserves how much?

Whyte has been chasing Wilder, AJ has been chasing Wilder and Wilder doesn’t want anything to do with them other than use their names to try and up his own reputatiion.
 
lsd said:
Hey feel free to keep spending money on these AJ "fights" and believing he is a true champion when he won't face a real opponent .

As for his belts you would nearly think he won them by beating the world champion going by the posts here instead of beating a 40 you who had been retired for vacant titles .

There is a saying in boxing to be the man you have to beat the man and since the lineal world champion is Fury then AJ can't be the man

Also it's not football you can make decisions without your agent what sort of argument as that supposed to be?

Ali Frazier met on their own and they were not friends
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So much weirdness in this post. You’re happy to spend money to watch Wilder fight someone who AJ knocked out 3 years ago? And then Wilder announces a rematch that no one was calling for on the week Joshua is fighting.

If Wilder was so desperate to fight Joshua and unify the belts, he’d have gone to MSG ringside and got in his face after the fight tonight, and made a load of money.

Two boxers met on their own without agents 40 years ago? Brilliant. It has no relevance to this situation or modern day sports.

Anyway, I’ve said it before in this thread, but I don’t think it’s doing them any favours. AJ is miles younger than Wilder and can unify the belts without him if needed in a few years. Wilders legacy relies on the AJ fight.
 
Dan_F said:
So much weirdness in this post. You’re happy to spend money to watch Wilder fight someone who AJ knocked out 3 years ago? And then Wilder announces a rematch that no one was calling for on the week Joshua is fighting.

If Wilder was so desperate to fight Joshua and unify the belts, he’d have gone to MSG ringside and got in his face after the fight tonight, and made a load of money.

Two boxers met on their own without agents 40 years ago? Brilliant. It has no relevance to this situation or modern day sports.

Anyway, I’ve said it before in this thread, but I don’t think it’s doing them any favours. AJ is miles younger than Wilder and can unify the belts without him if needed in a few years. Wilders legacy relies on the AJ fight.
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I don't know about that. As someone pointed out earlier, Wilder's rematch with Fury puts AJ somewhat on the back foot since he hasn't fought either of them, and the rematch was announced on the eve of AJ fighting a less than impressive opponent. Basically the dynamic of Wilder fighting nobodies and AJ fighting the likes of Klitschko is in the process of inverting.
 
Raoul said:
I don't know about that. As someone pointed out earlier, Wilder's rematch with Fury puts AJ somewhat on the back foot since he hasn't fought either of them, and the rematch was announced on the eve of AJ fighting a less than impressive opponent. Basically the dynamic of Wilder fighting nobodies and AJ fighting the likes of Klitschko is in the process of inverting.
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It’s not his fault Miller got popped. If Wilder was so bothered about fighting the best he would have waited to announce his next fight, it’s honestly as simple as that. Why else would he announce it now. Because we all know AJ would have got up at the end of the fight tonight and called him out in front of America, but now he has somewhere to run by having a fight booked.

The instant rematch clause was literally in the contract for Fury/Wilder. If they seriously wanted negotiating power against Hearn, then they should have done that straight away. Either one or both of them ducked out of it. Up to this point Wilder has still only beaten a bunch of pretty irrelevant heavyweights and got outboxed by Fury, who was coming off a two year drug binge. Breazeale and Ortiz do nothing to change that.
 
Taylor having it tough here one each after two.
 
Can't call it a robbery because it was a wild fight but Persoon won that, hopefully she can get a rematch and gets paid well for it. Somehow I think Hearn will not want to see that anytime soon. It was pure arrogance from the whole broadcast team as well through the build up, they should pay her some respect in the analysis.
 
spwd said:
Definitely, it was a draw at best but even that’s stretching it.
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Yup I think the fact everyone bar the judges had it somewhere between 1 to 3 round to Persoon shows. Only two people in the world scored that for Taylor and they were both judges. I'm delighted for Katie but yeah if I was Persoon I'd be doing some Mick Conlon like ranting after this one.
 
Thats a massive KO by Smith. Glad he didn't make the count, guy could have been seriously hurt if he kept going.
 
I thought AJ looked uncharacteristically tense before the fight. I wonder if something is up. Maybe I'm not giving Ruiz enough credit.
 
Joshua is so useless when he goes in for the kill.....drops all guard and gets caught. Happened vs Klitschko and again just now
 
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