Yeah I think he set it up really well. Joshua has excellent power and killer instinct. He boxed a smart fight against a dangerous opponent.
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Good shout that. By the way, great photo of Usyk looking on ominously Saturday night like some sith lord or serial killer stalking his next victim:
Tickets in basket for Usyk vs Bellew, click pay, wi-fi drops and 5 minutes to get laptop back on. All tickets gone. FFS.
They probably don't, but would you? Fury is so unreliable for trying to promote a big stadium fight. You don't want someone who's you can't rely on to be ready and show up on the night. I'd probably have a policy of having Fury as my last resort too if I was an opposing promoter.
Tickets secured for Bellew-Usyk
Hope the undercard proves to be a belter!
Hope the undercard proves to be a belter!
I’m going to hazard a guess and say the reasoning isn’t promotion related.
The reasons are that its a tough fight for AJ but also that Fury has consistently abused him and defamed him for years nows, calling him a crap boxer and a doper. All the while he was the one who failed a dope test.
Its easy to see why AJ wants to do him no favours, he's the A-side here.
He's right too, people would rather see AJ - Wilder because both guys come to fight and drop bombs.
People would just as happily fill seats to watch AJ vs Fury. Fury is a much bigger name than Wilder. Especially in the UK.
I think Fury-AJ would be a 12 round jab fest
Yeah Fury's a tool. He publicly picked Whyte, Martin (lol), Klitshcko, Parker and Povetkin to beat Joshua and then said "he's the biggest bum I've ever seen", well maybe your judgement is terrible and IIRC I think he even picked Takam and had McGregor to beat Mayweather. The doping thing is hilarious too. What a prat he looks saying that and then acted like a victim when he came up dirty. Joshua may be dirty he may not but one thing is true is that he's tested year round. I'm not even sure Fury is and he still got popped.
Fury IMO will beat Wilder but it would be a nightmare getting him into the ring even if he signed because you know he'd dick them around and pull out a few times. He may go away for another three years if he beats Wilder or even retire again. I know if I was negotiating a big fight with Fury at Wembley I'd put clauses in that punished Fury even if he got "injured". Fury beating Wilder would be a bad result for the division but I've got a feeling it will happen.
Styles:
Fury beats Joshua - Joshua can't land
Wilder beats Fury - he's gonna catch him at some point with a wild flailing blow.
Joshua vs Wilder !??!?!?!? Discussed to death.
Fury beats Joshua - Joshua can't land
Wilder beats Fury - he's gonna catch him at some point with a wild flailing blow.
Joshua vs Wilder !??!?!?!? Discussed to death.
Joshua beats Wilder cause he gets to him first.
I know he showed heart in he Ortiz fight, but I still think Wilder’s chin is shit. He got dropped by a 400lbs man wearing air maxes ffs.
I’d love to see Joshua-Fury one day if it is the fight to be made, but I can fully understand why Joshua and his camp wouldn’t be desperate to make it happen in the short term. Fury is unpredictable to manage and has only beat a couple of bums after years out. When there are other more reliable opponents out there to do business with, I’d look to them first too. If Fury beats Wilder twice and Joshua beats a couple of other foes and there’s no pushing for a undisputed fight, then I’d question it. Right now, there’s no way I’d make Fury the first guy I want to do business with.
The polls suggest more want to see him fight Wilder, and rightly so.
What is this based on exactly? Far lesser boxers have landed big on Fury. It's like everyone has forgotten Fury had boxed before he beat Klitchsko.
Joshua-Fury and Joshua-Wilder do about as well as each other in the U.K but globally the Wilder fight is much bigger and will do better.
Regarding my prediction I think Joshua will box patiently and Wilder will be too open. Joshua will catch him first and finish him off probably inside the first half of the fight.
Regarding my prediction I think Joshua will box patiently and Wilder will be too open. Joshua will catch him first and finish him off probably inside the first half of the fight.
Fury also got knocked out by David Price, so maybe he struggles against big guys? Anyway at that level it doesn't matter who's winning. 1 punch and it's over.
So who is this guy Bellew is fighting? Man looks like a beast!
Has Bellew got a chance?
Has Bellew got a chance?
I'd understand if we were talking about Mayweather, someone who had made top boxers swing and miss for twleve rounds, but the only name on Fury's CV is WK. Fury has been flattened by Steve Cunningham and should've lost to Steve McDermott, who absolutely dominated him.
No. Usyk will pummel him.
I think i'm agreeing with you, I don't get the fury hype. He's let himself go to much and hasn't got the punching power to really bother Wilder/Joshua.
Unless Fury can dance around for 12 rounds and win on points I don't think he can beat Joshua, Wilder is still a bit unknown.
I just see this one as a complete throw up in the air. I've said many times before in here that Wilder's unconventional (read terrible) ways have the potential to catch Joshua flush at some point, which is why it's such a wildcard bout. I struggle to call it either way despite Joshua being a considerably better boxer.
Styles make fights and have you ever seen Joshua vs. someone who is not even trying to engage before? He's very heavy footed and if he chases, he'll tire himself out. I believe that's one that goes the distance with Fury getting the decision over a very frustrated Joshua. Wilder's crazy looping shots from incorrect stances and angles are more likely to catch Fury at some point than a controlled and methodical Joshua will. I know you disagree, but I still think that's how that fight goes.
Fury would fight (and train) at the other guy’s level. I think we’ve seen the best of Fury against Wlad (proper proper training camp), and the best of Fury is far and away the best boxer in the HW division with pretty amazing movement and footwork for someone his size. Not a bad engine too.
Managed to get tickets through Eventim/Manchester Arena just after this. Matchroom didn’t exactly make it clear that the bigger chunk of tickets wouldn’t be sold through Stubhub.
Aye... that Wlad fight has blinkered a lot of people.
As you mention, Fury's been hit plenty, such as:
Being so elusive against Wlad has tricked people into thinking he's some all time great boxing technician.
Based on a single fight...
Have you seen Fury fight someone with the speed, power and reach of Joshua before? We've seen Fury troubled by slower plodders than Joshua before. With half the reach, power and speed.
No. I think he's a top three pound for pound and legitimately great fighter in his prime. Bellew is a few levels below that and will get dominated.
Usyk isn't a hard puncher but may stop him on accumulation though Usyk winning every round is perhaps the most likely outcome and getting a very wide decision.
I quite like fury as a fighter but it's weird the way some people think he'll just be able to evade Joshua for 12 rounds as if he's made of smoke or something
Diminishing returns when you factor in stamina. If Joshua could close off the ring early, his power would be a huge factor, but I don't see that happening, personally.
Evade, tie up, spoil. Joshua will tire well before Fury, too, which is a massive factor, imo.
McDermott did it, Cunningham did it, why can't Joshua do it?
Fury has quicker hands, quicker feet and a longer reach than Joshua
I think it’s pretty clear that Fury didn’t take the Cunningham and McDermott fights very seriously. Unprofesssional? Yes, but that’s Fury for you.
[Most] boxers improve over time, do they not? Fury the dosser isn't really the same as the one coming in with a point to prove. Same goes for Joshua, what caught him a few years ago wouldn't now. Fury's style is the outlier in the division and huge challenge for heavier or muscular fighters, of which Joshua is both. If the fight ever gets made, I'd think Joshua will come in lighter than he's ever been as champ. I don't know what that'd do for his stamina, but it might offset some of the issues with his tank and give him a better chance of forcing errors out of Fury.
I understand the theory, I just don’t think it will happen.
And how do you know Joshua will tire well before Fury? Joshua’s gone the distance before without gassing out massively, and Fury is hardly a bastion of endurance, especially given his hiatus to blow up to 25 stone.
Fury was caught clean by Pianeta, that kind of thing doesn't bode well for Joshua or Wilder
But at the end of the day, fights with both need to get made
Wilder isn't Charles Martin, his power will always be an equaliser regardless of whether Fury beats him
I'm not sure how Eddie Hearn markets another fight against Dillian Whyte.....
But at the end of the day, fights with both need to get made
Wilder isn't Charles Martin, his power will always be an equaliser regardless of whether Fury beats him
I'm not sure how Eddie Hearn markets another fight against Dillian Whyte.....
No but we've seen Fury dominate the guy that flattened AJ 2 years later when he was well past his prime.
They do. Most sportsmen also deteriate significantly when they are out of training for two and a half years, and abuse their body with drugs and alcohol. While Joshua has been fighting some of the best in the division Fury has been making YouTube videos.
We keep hearing how Fury's style will cause Joshua massive problems. What are we basing this on exactly? Who are these boxers with the physicality, the speed and the adaptability of Joshua we've seen Fury fight? Outside of WK, who has Fury fought thats even remotely of the same class of Joshua? No one is the answer. Somehow, Fury has managed to build a legacy on the back of a single fight.
The bloke AJ beat? He should've just ampled towards him like McDermott, a man that DID beat fury. His "underrated" record is a farce.