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Just received confirmation DAZN will be showing the Groves-Smith final on Friday at 10am my time. Get in!

DAZN looks the goods. I enjoyed the production on Saturday and a lot of the behind the scenes stuff and extra insight. For $8.99 a month it’s a great deal especially with the content and quantity they have. Free trial for first month well worth checking for people in America.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
Just received confirmation DAZN will be showing the Groves-Smith final on Friday at 10am my time. Get in!

DAZN looks the goods. I enjoyed the production on Saturday and a lot of the behind the scenes stuff and extra insight. For $8.99 a month it’s a great deal especially with the content and quantity they have. Free trial for first month well worth checking for people in America.
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Sounds like you've got a very good deal. We have to pay £16.95 to watch the Groves Smith fight over here. So already you guys have had Joshua Povetkin (£19.95 here) and Groves Smith for free.

I'm a little confused how DAZN works. The Joshua Wilder fight - Assuming that fight goes ahead in April, the only way for US residents to watch it would be to pay for DAZN, as no other channel would have it? i.e. one of the biggest money fights of all time will be available in America for $8.99?

That just seems too good to be true considering you guys usually payed out $100 for the Mayweather Manny fight.
 
pocco said:
You said Fury got flattened by Cunningham, Fury went on to beat him. So by your logic, AJ got flattened by Vlad. Well done.
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Comparing Vlad to Cunningham. Great stuff! I see you dont want to make comment on the obvious McDermott loss...
 
ivaldo said:
Comparing Vlad to Cunningham. Great stuff! I see you dont want to make comment on the obvious McDermott loss...
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Yeah, the same Vlad who couldn't get a sniff against Fury. You originally asked why Fury has beat with speed, reach and power. Does Vlad not count? I mean he must have power to do what he did against AJ no? He's obviously got the reach and decent speed for a guy his size.

Seriously, I'm not some blind Fury fan. I just say it how I see it. I know he's been a fat mess at times in his past and can look horrendous. Also doesn't seem to take it serious and gets himself into trouble unnecessarily. I won't deny any of the stuff that has happened in the past or try to gloss over it. But I know when the big occasions do arrive he'll be ready and, if he's on his game, he's good enough to beat anyone including AJ, Wilder etc.
 
pocco said:
Yeah, the same Vlad who couldn't get a sniff against Fury. You originally asked why Fury has beat with speed, reach and power. Does Vlad not count? I mean he must have power to do what he did against AJ no? He's obviously got the reach and decent speed for a guy his size.

Seriously, I'm not some blind Fury fan. I just say it how I see it. I know he's been a fat mess at times in his past and can look horrendous. Also doesn't seem to take it serious and gets himself into trouble unnecessarily. I won't deny any of the stuff that has happened in the past or try to gloss over it. But I know when the big occasions do arrive he'll be ready and, if he's on his game, he's good enough to beat anyone including AJ, Wilder etc.
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It's going back to my original point. This legacy, this confidence so many are lavishing onto Fury is off the back of a single fight that happened almost 3 years ago! Wlad wasnt prepared for that fight, not in the way he prepared for Joshua - that much is very obvious. Since then Fury's abused his body with copious amounts of drugs, alcohol and food. Prior to that he's been wobbled, knocked down, and beaten by fighters significantly slower, weaker, less technically gifted and shorter than Joshua. And yet we are to assume - again off the back of a single fight - that Joshua will get his head jabbed off for 12 rounds? You say you know he'll be ready for the big occasions how exactly?
 
RedFish said:
I'd take a fit Fury to beat Joshua all day, every day.
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ivaldo said:
It's going back to my original point. This legacy, this confidence so many are lavishing onto Fury is off the back of a single fight that happened almost 3 years ago! Wlad wasnt prepared for that fight, not in the way he prepared for Joshua - that much is very obvious
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You do realise Fury is unbeaten don't you? As you and the other AJ cronies keep saying, you can only beat what's in front of you. Ok he's had dubious decisions but everyone knows about Fury's issues and what's caused them. He got lucky on points Vs McDermott, then went back and won by a TKO. Joshua's legacy is built off similar decisions at the Olympics.

And regarding Vlad, it's pure bollocks. Vlad hates Fury and everything he stands for. Has no respect for him and, ultimately, can't stand that he got beat by him. He's full of shit with his excuses and there's no proof that he wasn't prepared. Vlad it's the last fighter I'd have ever expected to go into a fight unprepared. I don't buy it at all, but it's interesting that you do and yet can't overlook the times Fury hadn't taken a fight serious. You can't help but be utterly hypocritical when it comes to Fury and, to be honest, makes me think it's not even with my time responding to you. You did tell me he'd never fight again and now he's come back, had 2 fights and beaten AJ to Wilder. Your hatred is severely hampering your judgment and opinion.

ivaldo said:
Since then Fury's abused his body with copious amounts of drugs, alcohol and food. Prior to that he's been wobbled, knocked down, and beaten by fighters significantly slower, weaker, less technically gifted and shorter than Joshua. And yet we are to assume - again off the back of a single fight - that Joshua will get his head jabbed off for 12 rounds? You say you know he'll be ready for the big occasions how exactly?
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Who's he been beaten by? You said "fighters" so I'd like a list of more than 1 that have a W against Fury.

Joshua is a come forward boxer that fights in straight lines and has average defence, he's not got anywhere near the skill or ring generalship of Vlad. So on that basis I know that Fury can handle Joshua provided he's not coming into the fight like he did Vs McDermott or anyone else. I'm not saying it's a 100%, because this is heavyweight boxing. But I'd say the odds would favour him if he's in shape and I notice a lot more coming round to this way of thinking now. Which I'm guessing you don't like!
 
pocco said:
You do realise Fury is unbeaten don't you? As you and the other AJ cronies keep saying, you can only beat what's in front of you. Ok he's had dubious decisions but everyone knows about Fury's issues and what's caused them. He got lucky on points Vs McDermott, then went back and won by a TKO. Joshua's legacy is built off similar decisions at the Olympics.

And regarding Vlad, it's pure bollocks. Vlad hates Fury and everything he stands for. Has no respect for him and, ultimately, can't stand that he got beat by him. He's full of shit with his excuses and there's no proof that he wasn't prepared. Vlad it's the last fighter I'd have ever expected to go into a fight unprepared. I don't buy it at all, but it's interesting that you do and yet can't overlook the times Fury hadn't taken a fight serious. You can't help but be utterly hypocritical when it comes to Fury and, to be honest, makes me think it's not even with my time responding to you. You did tell me he'd never fight again and now he's come back, had 2 fights and beaten AJ to Wilder. Your hatred is severely hampering your judgment and opinion.



Who's he been beaten by? You said "fighters" so I'd like a list of more than 1 that have a W against Fury.

Joshua is a come forward boxer that fights in straight lines and has average defence, he's not got anywhere near the skill or ring generalship of Vlad. So on that basis I know that Fury can handle Joshua provided he's not coming into the fight like he did Vs McDermott or anyone else. I'm not saying it's a 100%, because this is heavyweight boxing. But I'd say the odds would favour him if he's in shape and I notice a lot more coming round to this way of thinking now. Which I'm guessing you don't like!
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I do, and I hope you are honest enough to admit that the only reason that is the case is because they wanted to protect his record, despite clearly being beaten by McDermott. Don't kid yourself that he was "lucky," even you can't be so naive as to believe that.

Use your eyes. Watch the fight and tell me that's a man that was prepared for Fury. His preparation, his weight, his focus was entirely on another level when he fought Joshua. I can tell you're a massive fan boy (though why anyone would support this cretin of a human, I have no idea) but stop lying to yourself.

I said fighters yes, I also had "wobbled" and "knocked down" in that very same sentence. You have misread. But while we are on the subject of plurals, you've told when the big occasions arrive, he steps up. So I'll like a list of all these big occasions.

A lot more aren't coming round to that opinion, they are the same people as before.
 
Not prepared is probably the wrong description and gives the wrong idea. Klitschko was probably complacent against Fury.
 
Thisistheone said:
Sounds like you've got a very good deal. We have to pay £16.95 to watch the Groves Smith fight over here. So already you guys have had Joshua Povetkin (£19.95 here) and Groves Smith for free.

I'm a little confused how DAZN works. The Joshua Wilder fight - Assuming that fight goes ahead in April, the only way for US residents to watch it would be to pay for DAZN, as no other channel would have it? i.e. one of the biggest money fights of all time will be available in America for $8.99?

That just seems too good to be true considering you guys usually payed out $100 for the Mayweather Manny fight.
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GGG-Canelo II was $85 here but yeah we are getting a great deal on all the DAZN stuff. Apparently it's 77 shows the first 12 months and it's all the Matchroom fights and some MMA.

I think a potential Wilder fight would still land on some PPV platform. DAZN or Hearn haven't mentioned that and nor did Top Rank or ESPN when that deal happened but since then Arum has talked PPV for the biggest fights like Crawford-Spence or Lomachenko-Garcia. As far as who carries the PPV? My guess is Showtime would want a piece and there's no way Al Haymon will let it happen exclusively on DAZN. Obviously DAZN investing that type of money aren't going to let it just go to Showtime so maybe some kind of 50/50 deal the way HBO/SHO came together for Mayweather/Pacquaio and Lewis/Tyson? It could be a seriously hard one to negotiate due to stubbornness on both sides even though by far Joshua is the A side, Wilder's team will certainly not see it that way which leads me to believe the chances of them fighting in April are 5% or less.

Seems to be so many fights are PPV there now. It got really bad here once because of HBO and Showtime's monopoly and a shortage of dates available but slowly PPV has been phasing out. It's generally a blockbuster or a bust. I don't even think Joshua-Wilder would do great here. Maybe half of what GGG-Canelo II did (1.1m buys) being optimistic. Boxing is still expensive to follow because it's so fragmented HBO and Showtime are $15 per month each, DAZN is $8.99 and ESPN+ is $4.99 so $45 on top of the regular cable bill. HBO is dying though as far as Boxing goes very limited amount of fights. ESPN+ and Top Rank recently struck a deal with Frank Warren to air his fights on that app so the quantity is huge which is good but it's hard for budget conscious folks to really follow the sport closely with that many different outlets and the likelihood that they'll all be keeping in almost exclusively "in-house".
 
I'd struggle to believe Joshua-Wilder would do 500k USA buys, forget a million.

The reported UK figures always absolutely baffle me too, they simply aren't realistic and I'm sure they are no way as official as the US numbers. I'd half any reported number....really hope Comcast forces them to release official figures, because it's silly seeing 1.5m apparently up at 4AM watching Floyd-Conor ..... which is more than a peak football match these Sky customers don't have to fund out an extra PPV figure for....hmmm

Would you americans believe it if they said a HBO PPV outdid a Game of Thrones live figure in viewership? Yep don't think so, forget MNF or something.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
GGG-Canelo II was $85 here but yeah we are getting a great deal on all the DAZN stuff. Apparently it's 77 shows the first 12 months and it's all the Matchroom fights and some MMA.

I think a potential Wilder fight would still land on some PPV platform. DAZN or Hearn haven't mentioned that and nor did Top Rank or ESPN when that deal happened but since then Arum has talked PPV for the biggest fights like Crawford-Spence or Lomachenko-Garcia. As far as who carries the PPV? My guess is Showtime would want a piece and there's no way Al Haymon will let it happen exclusively on DAZN. Obviously DAZN investing that type of money aren't going to let it just go to Showtime so maybe some kind of 50/50 deal the way HBO/SHO came together for Mayweather/Pacquaio and Lewis/Tyson? It could be a seriously hard one to negotiate due to stubbornness on both sides even though by far Joshua is the A side, Wilder's team will certainly not see it that way which leads me to believe the chances of them fighting in April are 5% or less.

Seems to be so many fights are PPV there now. It got really bad here once because of HBO and Showtime's monopoly and a shortage of dates available but slowly PPV has been phasing out. It's generally a blockbuster or a bust. I don't even think Joshua-Wilder would do great here. Maybe half of what GGG-Canelo II did (1.1m buys) being optimistic. Boxing is still expensive to follow because it's so fragmented HBO and Showtime are $15 per month each, DAZN is $8.99 and ESPN+ is $4.99 so $45 on top of the regular cable bill. HBO is dying though as far as Boxing goes very limited amount of fights. ESPN+ and Top Rank recently struck a deal with Frank Warren to air his fights on that app so the quantity is huge which is good but it's hard for budget conscious folks to really follow the sport closely with that many different outlets and the likelihood that they'll all be keeping in almost exclusively "in-house".
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77 shows sounds like great value. Btw just seen Matchroom have announced an 8 year deal with DAZN Canada.

From what you said there, the AJ Wilder fight in 2019 seems slim. As for DAZN Joshua must be exclusive to them same as with Sky Sports. So if DAZN agree to share with say, Showtime, you are still getting Joshua v Wilder for $8.99 assuming you only pay for DAZN? Or for all their talk of one flat monthly fee, will they slap on an addition charge for such a big event? Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Sport has become unbelievably expensive to watch though, thats for sure.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
Haha, yup. I suspect he won't be graceful or honest over this. He said Canelo should have been banned for life. He's took to Twitter to just say "Some shit".
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We really need a billionaire to step in to fund UKAD
The Fury thing was a disgrace, they couldn't afford to lose a case against him
 
Nothing in the BJS drugs failure apparently.

Looking forward to the fight tonight. Fancy Groves if his shoulder is fine.
 
I think Smith will win via points tonight. I think Groves has lost some power and that shoulder injury at this stage of his career might just take it out of him. Callum Smith was favourite going into the tournament I believe, although he has looked quite sluggish so far. His lack of experience at the very top level might count against him but I expect him to take a close points decision in the end.

Shocking that it's being held in Saudi Arabia. A massive domestic match that would draw in big crowds and that host it in a random country purely for money. There's not been much interest in this at all, despite the fight having a big reputation between two great domestic fighters.
 
I like Smith too. There was some talk that Groves' shoulder was a serious mess and career threatening. Smith has quite the height advantage too which could be key if he settles into the contest early given that it's likely to be more of a boxing match than a brawl.

I think Smith sort of leveled out and has been a tad disappointing in this tournament so far but we'll see if he can rise to the challenge. The Ring title is on the line today too so quite a bit at stake though I don't necessarily know that the winner is the best in this division. The winner is better than DeGale that's for sure. Speaking of DeGale he's fighting this Sunday buried on any under-card of a low budget Fox show on Sunday in nearby Ontario, Ca.

Re: @Thisistheone yeah I saw that too. Good news and hopefully the show will go on it's too important to the division to be canceled over nasal spray. Saunders is a tosser but he doesn't deserve to lose his belt and $2.5m over it. Plus I'm an Andrade fan and I want to see Saunders lose so there's that to.
 
El General 1994 said:
Oh man! It's not available in the UK tonight! :( @Inter Yer Nan How far away from you is this card?

Jose Uzcategui vs. Ezequiel Maderna
Jerwin Ancajas vs. Alejandro Santiago Barrios

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About a six hour drive or a 45 minute flight. Those look like mismatches on paper. The fight that's most interesting to me tonight is Devin Haney vs. Juan Carlos Burgos on Showtime. Haney is probably my favorite prospect he's only 19 and coming off a great win. Burgos is very experienced and been in tough. Never been KO'd and even hurt Mikey Garcia when he fought him for his title a few years back. Only two losses were in title fights vs. Garcia and Hasegawa who was very good. Probably deserved to win but got a draw vs. Rocky Martinez.
 
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About a six hour drive or a 45 minute flight. Those look like mismatches on paper. The fight that's most interesting to me tonight is Devin Haney vs. Juan Carlos Burgos on Showtime. Haney is probably my favorite prospect he's only 19 and coming off a great win. Burgos is very experienced and been in tough. Never been KO'd and even hurt Mikey Garcia when he fought him for his title a few years back. Only two losses were in title fights vs. Garcia and Hasegawa who was very good. Probably deserved to win but got a draw vs. Rocky Martinez.
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Cheers for this mate. The Showtime card is on BoxNation tonight and I'll watch Haney with more interest now.
 
Tough one to call. I like Smith, and hope he wins, but think Groves might have a little too much for him.
 
Think Smith will just be too long in the body and arms for Groves to really fire off against. I know Smith often engages close too but I think he has the skillset to more than match Groves' inside game. It's the mid-range and end of exchanges that Groves has the edge in my view. As long as Smith is careful enough to navigate his way past those encounters, he should get a tight but clear UD for me. Probably want Groves to get the win though.
 
Marvellous display from Callum Smith - KO's Groves in the 7th Round.

Did anyone also see Chris Eubank Jr being a prick to his opponent who quit? Made him come across as a right cnut. Such a dislikable character :lol: I hope DeGale beats him convincingly.
 
Strange finish that. That left hook didn't seem that powerful. Good fight though I would've liked to see it go a bit further.
 
Good composed performance by Smith. Looked in control the whole way even though Groves won some rounds off the strength of his work rate. Buzzed him a couple of times and then went in for the kill expertly. Some good money matches await Smith with DeGale and Eubank. Both would be easy work.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
Good composed performance by Smith. Looked in control the whole way even though Groves won some rounds off the strength of his work rate. Buzzed him a couple of times and then went in for the kill expertly. Some good money matches await Smith with DeGale and Eubank. Both would be easy work.
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It's difficult to judge just how good he is. Great performance though.
 
A bit of a robbery in the Anjajas-Santiago fight. I was expecting a blowout for Anjajas in a showcase fight but Santiago deserves the win. Crazy scores 116-112 Anjajas was terrible so was 118-111 Santiago that’s Adelaide Byrd territory the other judge had the best card at 114-114 and that was still probably wrong.
 
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A bit of a robbery in the Anjajas-Santiago fight. I was expecting a blowout for Anjajas in a showcase fight but Santiago deserves the win. Crazy scores 116-112 Anjajas was terrible so was 118-111 Santiago that’s Adelaide Byrd territory the other judge had the best card at 114-114 and that was still probably wrong.
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I watched it too. Strong 2nd of the fight for Santiago. 7-5 to him. Still hope we have a rematch.

Uzcategui just wants to smash his opponents and you could see him getting frustrated against a tough Argie.

I still think that Gilberto Ramirez is the best Super Middleweight.
 
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