The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Wengerscoat said:
One of my friends went to his fight some years back, the screams of Pa*i and other racist nonsense was out of control. Yeah he is overrated, he is arrogant but so is every boxer but a lot of hate he gets is also due to his race and religion. There are a lot of other gobby boxers who are British yet don't get half the dislike as him.
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To counter the lost point he's a massive celebrity. He's probably the 2nd biggest name in British boxing behind Joshua (maybe Fury is 2nd) so will get more exposure.

Joshua has been marketed brilliantly so is bound to be popular
Khan divides opinion
Fury probably has more negative than positive press.

I'm not disputing a lot of it is race issues...cos it is, but at the same time some of the abuse was brought on for the fact he is quite clearly pretty fame hungry.
 
Red_Aaron said:
I really hope haye delivers this time but I won't believe it until I see his hand raised at the end
His body is so unreliable
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Aye, it all comes down to if his body can hack it. Because if haye is fit he batters Bellew.
 
pocco said:
Haye seems very subdued. I'm looking at him and thinking this is a guy that doesn't even believe he can win.

He says it's a case of not wanting to talk too much this time, but his face says something different. He looks worried.
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He doesn’t seem like he has the hunger, but I wouldn’t say that he doesn’t believe he can win, he’s the better boxer and I think they both know it.
 
Carl said:
Aye, it all comes down to if his body can hack it. Because if haye is fit he batters Bellew.
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Absolutely
I can't stand bellew either. When it comes to Eddie hearn creating reputations on next to nothing and somehow building a reputation for a fighter Bellew is exhibit A.
I'm not mad about Haye but he's several levels above bellew and wipes the floor with him if (and its a big if) he actually turns up this time
 
If Haye's fit, Bellew is going to get a horrific beating before being knocked out.

The brass balls on him to act like he's his equal after barely being able to beat a man with one leg, rooted to the spot or dragging it along like a zombie.
 
Even a second rate Haye was winning the fight boxing terribly last time upto the injury which says it all.
 
All ifs and buts. Haye has a responsibility to come into this fight with a good level of fitness. The fact is, his body is broken. He knows it’s broken. And yet he’s still manufactured two massive paydays for himself as he is still a name. Of course he can prove me wrong by actually showing that his body can still take the sport.
 
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I think Bellew will win the rematch, not because of being a better fighter, just that I believe he is hungrier for the win than Haye, and that determination is something Haye doesn't have. Personally I'd like to see Haye put him away early on to shut him up, just can't see it happening.
 
ivaldo said:
He doesn’t seem like he has the hunger, but I wouldn’t say that he doesn’t believe he can win, he’s the better boxer and I think they both know it.
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He is the better boxer, but it's been a long time since Haye fought anywhere near his best. Personally I will be hoping he wins the fight, but I've got this nagging feeling that Haye doesn't want to be boxing at all anymore and is going through the motions for a pay day. I have heard rumours that he's been frivolous with his money.

This is probably why I look at him there and think he just can't be bothered with this anymore and probably doesn't even believe he can win, simply because Bellew wants it more and Haye knows it. I think this is what Bellew was alluding to on the video too, though I could be wrong.
 
Fortitude said:
If Haye's fit, Bellew is going to get a horrific beating before being knocked out.

The brass balls on him to act like he's his equal after barely being able to beat a man with one leg, rooted to the spot or dragging it along like a zombie.
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Agreed.

I don't really buy the Haye isn't hungrier stuff based on The Gloves Are Off. I think he's just doing a bit of a humble act. Probably because he did lose the first fight but also would anyone really buy them going mad at each other again? They were all over each other after the first fight look a bit daft if they suddenly hated each other again.
 
Bellew is underrated. He's alright. Haye's obviously at a higher level when fit, a lot higher level, but he's a crock nowadays. This fight is not a given.
 
Oggmonster said:
Agreed.

I don't really buy the Haye isn't hungrier stuff based on The Gloves Are Off. I think he's just doing a bit of a humble act. Probably because he did lose the first fight but also would anyone really buy them going mad at each other again? They were all over each other after the first fight look a bit daft if they suddenly hated each other again.
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Haye should still have some big money pay days in the division in mind so the onus is on him to put on a show and get his name back out there as someone who should be in the mix for the big fights. His name still has some clout and he could be seen as fodderish enough for one last shot at the bigtime (i.e. given the chance by someone else because they think he'd be easy enough pickings) and a final payday and swansong before calling it a day.

I also think Haye running his mouth is better than Haye being silent for Bellew.. the latter is more suggestive of someone meaning business, to me.

Bellew's not got the natural weight or power in the division to trouble someone like Haye, which is why he could barely take him out when he was static and practically defenseless in the first fight. He really doesn't want a bigger, stronger, harder hitting man wailing on him, which is what's likely to happen if Haye has the confidence in his body to let go and really load up on some shots.

I'm sure someone with the ego of Haye wouldn't want Bellew as the final fight on his resume before hanging them up!
 
To be fair to Bellew, he's not a natural common heavyweight, I think that fight was his first pro fight at that weight. He's had to work his way up the weights. Haye on the other hand had been fighting there for years and is a world champion at HW level. The most predictable outcome is that Haye wins this one, thus Bellew gets a few more million for the retirement fund, knowing that he is 1-1 with Haye and has been a world champion, and Haye gets one last chance to insert himself into the top level heavyweight scene where things are happening and some real big money fights might be out there for him, if his body holds up. I think Haye probably, if he wins, still has enough clout with the British public to draw a decent fight or two, particularly if politics get in the way of the unification fight for Joshua.
 
It's always about whether David Haye is fit or has anything left
He doesn't, this is a walk over for Bellew I think
 
Don't think Bellow has a chance at all, was totally embarrassing watching him take ten rounds to beat a guy with one leg the last time they fought.
 
Haye, comfortably.

I usually respect fighters not blaming injuries and it is laudable that Haye has avoided doing so. Though this is one occasion where I think it was so blatant that he would have been well within his rights to openly laugh at Bellew's complete denial about the real reason he won that fight.
 
Haye came back to boxing because his credit cards were being declined. He then realised he needed to get back into boxing (despite him not wanting) it to make money and start his Haye Promotions. Not sure what his financial status is now but he's obviously come back for another fight despite his body being ravaged by injuries. I can't see it holding it up again even if he beats Bellew, which he should. He has already mentioned if it's a close decision win, he will retire as he knows he won't be good enough to challenge the proper heavyweights. Understandably so, if he wants fights against Wilder and AJ further down the line, then he needs to KO Bellew early doors. If that happens, a AJ fight is still miles away, he would have to fight the likes of Pulev, Povetkin, Whyte etc before a shot against AJ/Wilder. There is video footage of him toying with Wilder in sparring, doesn't mean much tbf but shows the limitations of Wilder as a boxer back then.
 
Did anyone watch the 'Ultimate Boxer' show on 5spike last night?

It's a similar format to the old Prizefighter series. I thought there was some good little scraps but the presenting was a bit wooden at times and needs a bit of polishing. They've said they expected to make a loss last night but are in it for the long haul.
 
G-manc said:
Did anyone watch the 'Ultimate Boxer' show on 5spike last night?

It's a similar format to the old Prizefighter series. I thought there was some good little scraps but the presenting was a bit wooden at times and needs a bit of polishing. They've said they expected to make a loss last night but are in it for the long haul.
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Yeah the presentation was awful
Was a good tourney though and I know the lad that won it. Drews from around my way, trains at the local club
 
McGrathsipan said:
Katie Taylor wins again.
2 world titles in 9 pro fights .
Sweet.
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I like her but the problem is you’ll never get anyone interested in women’s boxing. I’m sure she does alright out of it and obviously Hearn does to but there’s no real interesting fights really.

Speaking of Hearn it seems obvious Joshua vs Miller is the next fight to me. Easy win for Joshua and an American fighter maybe in America for some exposure.
 
Oggmonster said:
I like her but the problem is you’ll never get anyone interested in women’s boxing. I’m sure she does alright out of it and obviously Hearn does to but there’s no real interesting fights really.

Speaking of Hearn it seems obvious Joshua vs Miller is the next fight to me. Easy win for Joshua and an American fighter maybe in America for some exposure.
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Yeah there was a bit of interest here when she first went pro but its tailed off ..... i meself watched her first couple of fights but dont bother anymore.

Johsua has the belts. Its up to wilder to come get them before Fury gets important again
 
No surprises last night. Both Jacobs and Miller cruised to victory via UD. I thought Jacobs looked a bit sluggish, if he does get the GGG fight again I think he would lose more convincingly, maybe he should target a fight with Charlo.
 
Whilst i have no issue with women boxing, I do have a couple of issues with it.

Firstly, the overall quality is pretty poor - the 'best' (e.g. Taylor) are a million miles ahead of the general competition which doesn't make it remotely competitive and therefore a pretty hard watch. It's just a matter of how the name wins rather than watching thinking a fight could go either way.

Secondly, the lack of power makes it much less exciting - you never get the impression a woman could wipe someone out with one shot or turn a fight on it's head with a big shot.
 
Bradley Skeete got wiped out last night.

That Spanish kid has some power.
 
G-manc said:
Whilst i have no issue with women boxing, I do have a couple of issues with it.

Firstly, the overall quality is pretty poor - the 'best' (e.g. Taylor) are a million miles ahead of the general competition which doesn't make it remotely competitive and therefore a pretty hard watch. It's just a matter of how the name wins rather than watching thinking a fight could go either way.

Secondly, the lack of power makes it much less exciting - you never get the impression a woman could wipe someone out with one shot or turn a fight on it's head with a big shot.
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thanks for clearing that up.
 
ivaldo said:
thanks for clearing that up.
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Ha, i guess that wasn't too clear was it.

What i meant to say was i have no issue with women participating but do have a couple of issues with it in terms of quality.
 
G-manc said:
Ha, i guess that wasn't too clear was it.

What i meant to say was i have no issue with women participating but do have a couple of issues with it in terms of quality.
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Hehe I know, just made me chuckle. :)
 
No interest yet in Bellew v Haye.
I think a fit Haye beats him, it's just where he is at in that regard. He always looks in shape but he's had operations / injuries last few yrs. If he's genuinely fit, no niggling injuries I see him knocking Bellew out, although I said that the least time as well.
 
poleglass red said:
No interest yet in Bellew v Haye.
I think a fit Haye beats him, it's just where he is at in that regard. He always looks in shape but he's had operations / injuries last few yrs. If he's genuinely fit, no niggling injuries I see him knocking Bellew out, although I said that the least time as well.
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It's a nothing fight anywhere else but the UK. One (Bellew is totally unspectacular whereas the other is shot ). Tbh, I can't get worked up about this at all. Fury on the other hand....
 
RedFish said:
It's a nothing fight anywhere else but the UK. One (Bellew is totally unspectacular whereas the other is shot ). Tbh, I can't get worked up about this at all. Fury on the other hand....
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If Haye puts in a dominating performance then he can put himself back in the mix. A fight between Haye and Fury/Joshua would garner a lot of interest.
 
RedFish said:
It's a nothing fight anywhere else but the UK. One (Bellew is totally unspectacular whereas the other is shot ). Tbh, I can't get worked up about this at all. Fury on the other hand....
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I couldn't really care less about it not being big outside the UK. It'll be a good British fight before a passionate crowd. Neither man is a true heaveyweight imo, certainly Bellew isn't and I'd argue Haye isn't as well, although he's done well since he came into the division. It's a weak division, a strong, fully fit Haye could still make a run at the title. We won't know where he's at until fight night, but so weak is the division right now, a performance here and he's back in the mix. I think this is probably Bellew's last fight, certainly at this weight anyway. If Hayes loses again I think he's done, so I think both men will put it all on the line. Should be a good fight to watch.
 
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