The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Revan said:
Klitschko is the only big name on his list (and he was 40, already beaten). No one rated Parker, and if you look further, his other big win is against Dillian fecking Whyte who is nothing special.
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What names should be on his list then? What our boxers have the more impressive record? Welcome to boxing.
 
Raees said:
There is winning comfortably and then there is barely throwing any punches. AJ's brand is built on him being an entertaining fighter.. so fights like this (if they were a regular occurrence) would not be good for him from a PR perspective.
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Once the fight wears off its easy to see why he wouldn't risk going all out and chasing Parker. The only way he'd lose was if he makes a mistake otherwise he's happy to jab and move around for 12 rounds knowing fully well Parker doesn't have the reach to breach his defense. Its a mature and well managed fight albeit a bit too easy.
 
Thought it was a decent fight myself - the first normal boxing match Joshua has been in

Can give Parker maybe 3 or 4 rounds

Joshua will still KO Wilder (probably with ease), it’s a good match-up stylistically for him

Tyson Fury is still the best HW out there

Also, Eddie Hearn definitely slid a few envelopes under hotel doors last night, but won me back when he sent for Wilder
 
ivaldo said:
Emotionally invested? Because I have a differing opinion to you? I’m not the one defending what is a generally unlikeable man.

Yeah he can say what he likes. You’re the one choosing to ignore what these boxers have said to come to your own unsubstantiated conclusion. You seem to have this mixed up. He wasn’t lacking motivation up until the title fight was he? Or are we to believe he was throwing his pay days up his nose prior to the Wlad fight? Is it just a coincidence he decided to throw his career away at this precise moment?

Fury had spent his career telling everyone he was the best in the world, comparing himself to the greats of the sport. He fought one WC boxer and won his first belt. He then retired, declaring himself a retired, undefeated world champion. If he loses it shatters his ego and invalidates everything he said before. In his mind the easiest way to secure his legacy is to not fight anyone else. He can’t lose that way.

Yeah exactly! He hadn’t needed to do anything for years because the fighters he came up against were the worst bunch of heavyweights we’ve ever seen. Ask yourself: do you think Wlad used the exact same game plan against Joshua that he had against Fury and everyone else of the last decade? Did he weigh in incredibly light by accident, or did he actually look to adjust for his opponent?

Fury was a good boxer, the best Wlad had fought for a while. As you have so kindly pointed out, he had prepared the exact same way he had done for every other bum he’d dominated for the recent past. He had become complacent. The way he prepared for the Joshua fight, coming off the back of his first loss in 10 years, was entirely different. I'm not saying Fury wouldn't have beaten Klitschko if the situations were reversed, but we certainly wouldn't have seen a non entity like we did in 2015.
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There is no substance in the fact that he has been abusing various substances for 2 years at least? Or do you mean there is no evidence that being a drug addict can be distracting/detrimental when pursuing athletic goals? It started when he won the title because he had a few quid and felt on top of the world most likely.

That would make a little sense if he wasn't roundly criticised, disliked more than ever and given very little credit for the win. Watch his gloves are off with Wlad after the first fight, he does nothing but downplay the win.

As for the rest of your post I am not sure what your point is. Joshua is a better fighter than Fury? I would agree.
 
ivaldo said:
How can you come to that conclusion? I trust you've seen Joshua fight plenty of times, he's more than capable of playing the aggressor and finding openings. He did it against Klitschko who is a better technican defensively than Parker. You can't watch that fight and not see the contrasting approach from AJ. How many times did we see Joshua go after Parker and come up punching air? He didn't go after Parker, he didn't need to.
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He also got floored in that match and could have easily lose it. He was totally out of gas after he KD Klitschko. He was also out of gas against Whyte in the second round when he was attacking.

It was more like he didn't want to risk it and so get an easy win, rather than wanting to go to decision.
 
Habs said:
Joshua is nowhere near as good as most people think. Poor head and foot movement and does tend to gas out in the middle rounds. Luckily for him the rest of the HW division is awful too so hes got plenty of time to work on all this and dominate for a long time. Think these sort of fighters he struggles against, so Fury would be a nightmare for him (assuming he gets back to his best). He'll beat Deontay I think, as he is more suited to Joshua and has a poor defence.
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He's a marketing machine fighting in a mediocre division, whose hype has outdone his achievement. Similar to Pogba *runs for cover*
 
Habs said:
Joshua is nowhere near as good as most people think. Poor head and foot movement and does tend to gas out in the middle rounds. Luckily for him the rest of the HW division is awful too so hes got plenty of time to work on all this and dominate for a long time. Think these sort of fighters he struggles against, so Fury would be a nightmare for him (assuming he gets back to his best). He'll beat Deontay I think, as he is more suited to Joshua and has a poor defence.
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OverratedOpinion said:
There is no substance in the fact that he has been abusing various substances for 2 years at least? Or do you mean there is no evidence that being a drug addict can be distracting/detrimental when pursuing athletic goals? It started when he won the title because he had a few quid and felt on top of the world most likely.

That would make a little sense if he wasn't roundly criticised, disliked more than ever and given very little credit for the win. Watch his gloves are off with Wlad after the first fight, he does nothing but downplay the win.

As for the rest of your post I am not sure what your point is. Joshua is a better fighter than Fury? I would agree.
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Ok. No point in continuing this. We aren't going to get any closer.
 
ivaldo said:
What names should be on his list then? What our boxers have the more impressive record? Welcome to boxing.
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I am saying that he won against nobodies (and Klitschko), so 21 wins in those matches isn't that impressive. Just in the last 20 years, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe and Klitschko brothers have been significantly better champions, and had a far better resume.
 
Parker came determined not to get knocked out. AJ came to collect the belt and move on to super fight(s). They both got what they came for.

Except for the fans maybe.
 
say what you like Wilder is the man they all want to avoid, he has the biggest KO of all.
May not be a great boxer but to be honest how many great boxers are there in the division?
 
Mayweather always used to say about fighters
"Straight up and down, no special effects"
The definition of Joshua
 
Revan said:
He did nothing, never threatened Parker, never gave a big punch. Stats show that he had just a slight advantage in punches thrown (and landed), so why on Earth he should get every even round (and based on the ref, even the sixth round which was clear Parker). He was in control and so deserves the win, but he showed feck all to get 118/119 points.
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Threatened a lot more than Parker tbh.
 
T_Model101 said:
Mayweather always used to say about fighters
"Straight up and down, no special effects"
The definition of Joshua
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Mayweather was unhittable going against some of the best boxers of his generation in different weights. Joshua so far has 1 impressive victory (when he almost got knocked down). No way comparable.
 
Revan said:
I am saying that he won against nobodies (and Klitschko), so 21 wins in those matches isn't that impressive. Just in the last 20 years, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe and Klitschko brothers have been significantly better champions, and had a far better resume.
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To be fair "the last 20 years" includes the second golden age of heavyweight boxing. The fact that he could unify the division with 22 fights and not much of an amatuer background is special in itself.
 
ivaldo said:
Joshua couldn't wait to tell everyone in the post match that he went 12 rounds. He's been criticised repeatedly throughout his career for his ability to go the distance. We all know he can blast boxers out of the ring.
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KO'ing Klitschko in the 11 is hardly blasting him away. We all know because of that fight he can go 12, but if you think that was his tactic today, then I can't agrre.
 
Revan said:
He also got floored in that match and could have easily lose it. He was totally out of gas after he KD Klitschko. He was also out of gas against Whyte in the second round when he was attacking.

It was more like he didn't want to risk it and so get an easy win, rather than wanting to go to decision.
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And he won both of those fights by KO. Tonight he came in significantly lighter and looked like he could have gone another 12 if he needed to.

In most people's minds the top 4 heavyweights in the division are Joshua, Wilder, Fury and Povetkin.

Povetkin was just wobbled by David Price, Wilder was actually being outboxed by a 39 year old Ortiz until he gassed (and just look at that hideous 40-0 record) and Fury hasn't boxed for 3 years, was knocked down by Cunningham, Pajkic and should have lost to McDermott. Fine, Joshua is shit, who is it that's standing above him in the division?
 
Rams said:
Unbeaten in 21, 20 by KO, 4 belts and he didn’t even take boxing up until he was 18. And yet you’re underwhelmed by him?!?!
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Wilder was 19, unbeaten in 40, 39 by KO yet some folks think he is a joke.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He boxed a technically sound fight tonight by out jabbing his opponent and controlling the centre of the ring. Technical boxing isn’t going out there and banging. It is best summarised as hitting whilst not getting hit.
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Being a technically good fighter is just jabbing and controlling, It is also showing great movement and an arsenal of punches that land. Something he's shown previous. I think you are clutching here. He was shite tonight, it happens. Just admit it.
 
RedFish said:
He didn't need to do anything more tonight. It's that simple.
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Please point me to a fight other than Klit where he was behind on the score card and didn't need to do more that keep the other opponent at bay?
 
Revan said:
I am saying that he won against nobodies (and Klitschko), so 21 wins in those matches isn't that impressive. Just in the last 20 years, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe and Klitschko brothers have been significantly better champions, and had a far better resume.
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And who's arguing that point? You're criticizing him for not beating boxers that don't exist. What do you suggest he does exactly?

And FYI. In modern boxing 21 fights really isn't a lot.
 
Kazi said:
I don’t think that’s fair on Parker, he definitely came to win
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He's been boxing for his entire life. He knew full well that he needed to be more active to win. The referee takes some of the blame but Parker did himself no favours. Needed to take substantially more risks.
 
The fight was a fecking mess.

ivaldo said:
How can you come to that conclusion? I trust you've seen Joshua fight plenty of times, he's more than capable of playing the aggressor and finding openings. He did it against Klitschko who is a better technican defensively than Parker. You can't watch that fight and not see the contrasting approach from AJ. How many times did we see Joshua go after Parker and come up punching air? He didn't go after Parker, he didn't need to.


Joshua couldn't wait to tell everyone in the post match that he went 12 rounds. He's been criticised repeatedly throughout his career for his ability to go the distance. We all know he can blast boxers out of the ring.
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AJ was almost always on the front foot and controlling the ring. I mean, sure, he came close to connecting with few uppercuts, but other than that we didn't really see anything from either of them. I think you posted that 'it was like being 2-0 up' - I'm paraphrasing btw - and AJ was cruising to a victory. I agree with all of that. I just disagree with your opinion that AJ could have knocked him out if he wanted to. I think that AJ respected Parker and thought he would out-box him rather than be aggressive and potentially walking into a fist and then another one. That's my take.
 
ivaldo said:
And he won both of those fights by KO. Tonight he came in significantly lighter and looked like he could have gone another 12 if he needed to.

In most people's minds the top 4 heavyweights in the division are Joshua, Wilder, Fury and Povetkin.

Povetkin was just wobbled by David Price, Wilder was actually being outboxed by a 39 year old Ortiz until he gassed (and just look at that hideous 40-0 record) and Fury hasn't boxed for 3 years, was knocked down by Cunningham, Pajkic and should have lost to McDermott. Fine, Joshua is shit, who is it that's standing above him in the division?
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In most people minds, heavyweight class is a pretty shit division, to be fair.

Joshua is likely the best there (unless Fury makes a return).
 
Summit said:
Being a technically good fighter is just jabbing and controlling, It is also showing great movement and an arsenal of punches that land. Something he's shown previous. I think you are clutching here. He was shite tonight, it happens. Just admit it.
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Thats how I saw it too. This was far from a masterclass as some are making it out to be, Parker frustrated Joshua throughout the fight through his awkward style. Joshua just used his longer reach to take the rounds, but make no mistake if he could've knocked him out he would've he just wasn't good enough tonight to do that, and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
It wouldn't seem so. I'm sorry Tyson Fury did whatever he did to make you dislike him with such passion.
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Oh, other than linking homosexuals to paedophilia and his stance on women and religion he's a stand up guy. You must have a delightful circle of friends.
 
Summit said:
Being a technically good fighter is just jabbing and controlling, It is also showing great movement and an arsenal of punches that land. Something he's shown previous. I think you are clutching here. He was shite tonight, it happens. Just admit it.
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You are talking about a complete boxing performance. It wasnt that but it was an easy fight where he barely got touched so not shite IMO.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Parker’s reaction after the fight should tell @Revan that it was an easy victory for AJ. He didn’t even entertain the idea he had won.
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Because obviously he didn't won, he was second best in that fight, I am not arguing against that. I am just arguing why Joshua got every even round (and in one case, a round which was clear Parker).

Don Rafael's 8-4 is spot on IMO. Clear victory for Joshua, but not the wide score the judges gave. You can't throw a single big punch in the entire fight, have similar punching stats and win 11 rounds. Unless you're in a home match, obviously.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
The fight was a fecking mess.



AJ was almost always on the front foot and controlling the ring. I mean, sure, he came close to connecting with few uppercuts, but other than that we didn't really see anything from either of them. I think you posted that 'it was like being 2-0 up' - I'm paraphrasing btw - and AJ was cruising to a victory. I agree with all of that. I just disagree with your opinion that AJ could have knocked him out if he wanted to. I think that AJ respected Parker and thought he would out-box him rather than be aggressive and potentially walking into a fist and then another one. That's my take.
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Put it this way: do you really think Joshua went after him, like he has done in his previous 20 fights that ended in a knock out?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
You are talking about a complete boxing performance. It wasnt that but it was an easy fight where he barely got touched so not shite IMO.
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And the other argument to that is that Parker barley got touched too. Name a defining punch?
 
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