The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Inter Yer Nan said:
Sort of agree on both counts. It's a shame Khan was never interested in this when both were top level fighters.

That said I hope Brook flattens him if and when it does happen. I guess that's the good thing with how well British Boxing is doing at the box office that a match as dross as Haye-Bellew did so well commercially and that Brook-Khan will be a big ticket.
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Whilst Haye vs. Bellew II is a bit of a joke really especially after how 1 ended (i.e. they were best mates...which is kind of typical of a "boxing rivalry") it was a pretty fun fight and didn't harm anyone...no titles were on the lines, no divisions held up etc.

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I swear Hearn watches different fights than everyone else where Whyte is involved. The Chisora fight was brilliant entertainment but other than that and 1 punch vs. Joshua he largely stinks out the place. He's an alright fighter but violent seems ambitious!

Kazi said:
3 fight deal for Amir Khan (Eddie Hearn style)

Spring - Frankie Gavin
Summer - Anthony Crolla at 144 catchweight, MEN 20k sell out
Winter - Kell Brook, 800k on PPV
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Yeah that's actually pretty plausible. I think they may wait til 2019 to do the Brook fight but I reckon it's definitely happening now. Hearn is all for throwing the likes of Gavin to the wolves as well in order to get himself more money out of it.

Khan is a bit of a tit but his fights are never dull so glad to see he's back just hope he's motivated really.
 
Oggmonster said:
Whilst Haye vs. Bellew II is a bit of a joke really especially after how 1 ended (i.e. they were best mates...which is kind of typical of a "boxing rivalry") it was a pretty fun fight and didn't harm anyone...no titles were on the lines, no divisions held up etc.

I swear Hearn watches different fights than everyone else where Whyte is involved. The Chisora fight was brilliant entertainment but other than that and 1 punch vs. Joshua he largely stinks out the place. He's an alright fighter but violent seems ambitious!

Yeah that's actually pretty plausible. I think they may wait til 2019 to do the Brook fight but I reckon it's definitely happening now. Hearn is all for throwing the likes of Gavin to the wolves as well in order to get himself more money out of it.

Khan is a bit of a tit but his fights are never dull so glad to see he's back just hope he's motivated really.
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My three fight plan for Khan was tongue in cheek really.

I think it’ll be a top 20ish welterweight first up, then they’ll try to make the Broner fight, and then Brook. But yeah, Hearn will have to be ‘smart’ with his matchmaking to ensure both Khan and Brook don’t take an L.
 
Reckon Bomb squad is going to have to get off their train soon. Wilder is an absolutly shocking boxer. If someone with basic fundamentals that can hit steps in then Wilder will go to sleep. Probably the biggest puncher around and that is what has built up his hype. Yarde, Whyte possibly even Bellew or 1 leged Haye would finish him in 3.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Reckon Bomb squad is going to have to get off their train soon. Wilder is an absolutly shocking boxer. If someone with basic fundamentals that can hit steps in then Wilder will go to sleep. Probably the biggest puncher around and that is what has built up his hype. Yarde, Whyte possibly even Bellew or 1 leged Haye would finish him in 3.
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I’m not a fan of Wilder’s boxing skill at all but the only guy there that might have a chance is Dillian. Yarde? You can’t be serious about that.
 
Kazi said:
I’m not a fan of Wilder’s boxing skill at all but the only guy there that might have a chance is Dillian. Yarde? You can’t be serious about that.
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Anyone who can dodge a punch and throw a crisp tight hook would stand a chance of finishing Wilder in my opinion. I don’t even understand how Wilder generates so much power, he’s always off balance and looks like he just throws from the shoulder, it’s actually pretty incredible but when he throws he goes horribly off balance.

I just think he’s awful. The man can hit tho...
 
Kazi said:
3 fight deal for Amir Khan (Eddie Hearn style)

Spring - Frankie Gavin
Summer - Anthony Crolla at 144 catchweight, MEN 20k sell out
Winter - Kell Brook, 800k on PPV
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Unlikely. When is Ramadan as Khan fasts doesn’t he?
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Anyone who can dodge a punch and throw a crisp tight hook would stand a chance of finishing Wilder in my opinion. I don’t even understand how Wilder generates so much power, he’s always off balance and looks like he just throws from the shoulder, it’s actually pretty incredible but when he throws he goes horribly off balance.

I just think he’s awful. The man can hit tho...
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Agree. I think he's a very average fighter. If he had the power of Fury for example he'd be a bum and nothing more IMO.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Anyone who can dodge a punch and throw a crisp tight hook would stand a chance of finishing Wilder in my opinion. I don’t even understand how Wilder generates so much power, he’s always off balance and looks like he just throws from the shoulder, it’s actually pretty incredible but when he throws he goes horribly off balance.

I just think he’s awful. The man can hit tho...
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Agreed. His technique is atrocious for a boxer of his apparent caliber; he’s a physical monster with little else.

@Kazi you laugh at the suggestion that Yarde would beat Wilder, but I agree with @Andersons Dietician. He’s a crisp enough puncher to catch Wilder on the way in with relative ease, and with more than enough power to make it count.

I’ve never understood the fascination with the bloke.
 
Valdez-Quigg got made official. I think Quigg can win that. It will be a great match of styles. Defo gonna be at that fight it's less than 20 mins from my gaff will be supporting the Manchester boy.
 
ivaldo said:
Agreed. His technique is atrocious for a boxer of his apparent caliber; he’s a physical monster with little else.

@Kazi you laugh at the suggestion that Yarde would beat Wilder, but I agree with @Andersons Dietician. He’s a crisp enough puncher to catch Wilder on the way in with relative ease, and with more than enough power to make it count.

I’ve never understood the fascination with the bloke.
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Yarde is a light heavyweight ffs and he hasn’t fought anyone yet. At least Wilder has beaten top 10-15 guys.

I think Wilder is an awful boxer but I have to defend him here.
 
Kazi said:
Yarde is a light heavyweight ffs and he hasn’t fought anyone yet. At least Wilder has beaten top 10-15 guys.

I think Wilder is an awful boxer but I have to defend him here.
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Come on, Yarde would have no problem making the leap to HW, he’s even talked about it before. You can’t question Yardes opponents while defending Wilder, that doesn’t happen.
 
ivaldo said:
Come on, Yarde would have no problem making the leap to HW, he’s even talked about it before. You can’t question Yardes opponents while defending Wilder, that doesn’t happen.
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Of course you can. Wilder’s fought better guys. Are you seriously denying that? Yarde ffs.
 
Kazi said:
Of course you can. Wilder’s fought better guys. Are you seriously denying that? Yarde ffs.
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Barely. He's entirely untested and has so far shown absolutely nothing to suggest he can beat a competent fighter. Yeah Yarde ffs.
 
I haven't seen that much of Yarde but I'd be hesitant to pick any light heavyweight to win a title even the top level ones like Gvozdyk, Bivol, Kovalev and Beterbiev.

Wilder's level of competition has been awful though. My theory on him is that he's been a cash out project from the moment Al Haymon signed him. He's had fights that looked like dives, has had 39 fights against opponents that would be happy to be called mediocre but he has personality. Eventually he's going to make $15-20m for Joshua because of Joshua and he will lose the moment Joshua decides it's over IMO. Beauty of heavyweights though is even an average fighter can land a big shot and win against a far better opponent but that's his only hope.
 
I thought Yarde looked ordinary in parts last time as soon as the guy didn't fall over straight away and i think all the 'top' heavyweights competition has been pretty ordinary to date so i'm not sure why it's levelled specifically at Wilder.

There is a reason for that too - it's un utterly dire division.
 
altodevil86 said:
Like the photojob they've done with Parker :lol:
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I thought that. AJ was on Graham Norton on Friday and Norton was taking the piss out of Parker for a while. AJ does come across very well in interviews like that as well.

Good fight and hopefully the plan goes ahead, Parker, Wilder and Fury. 3 huge fights that, all 3 sell out stadiums comfortably I imagine.
 
Oggmonster said:
I thought that. AJ was on Graham Norton on Friday and Norton was taking the piss out of Parker for a while. AJ does come across very well in interviews like that as well.

Good fight and hopefully the plan goes ahead, Parker, Wilder and Fury. 3 huge fights that, all 3 sell out stadiums comfortably I imagine.
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Wilder wouldn't go to England. I think AJ would come to America though to make it happen. Provided they both win their upcoming fights I see a late 2018 or early 2019 showdown in Vegas. I think Joshua will do a mandatory after Parker and Wilder will probably want to face a bum.
 
You've got to hand it to David Price, looks like he's put his name forward to fight Povetkin on the AJ-Parker undercard. That's another Price ko coming up, not quite sure why he's not aiming for British/Commonwealth/European titles given that's where he's at really.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Anyone who can dodge a punch and throw a crisp tight hook would stand a chance of finishing Wilder in my opinion. I don’t even understand how Wilder generates so much power, he’s always off balance and looks like he just throws from the shoulder, it’s actually pretty incredible but when he throws he goes horribly off balance.

I just think he’s awful. The man can hit tho...
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Not AJ then :smirk:
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
Wilder wouldn't go to England. I think AJ would come to America though to make it happen. Provided they both win their upcoming fights I see a late 2018 or early 2019 showdown in Vegas. I think Joshua will do a mandatory after Parker and Wilder will probably want to face a bum.
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Yeah probably not, gives them a chance to make a nam for Joshua over there as well. Joshua also has the option of Haye a bit later in the year if he beats Bellew in May then like you say this time next year a fight with Wilder.
 
Oggmonster said:
Yeah probably not, gives them a chance to make a nam for Joshua over there as well. Joshua also has the option of Haye a bit later in the year if he beats Bellew in May then like you say this time next year a fight with Wilder.
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Never really been fond of Haye so while that's a gross mismatch I'd actually be fine with it. Haye could get injured sneezing and postpone the fight 6 months so better make sure that contract gives than a one date only rule.

I've heard that Parker is Joshua's last contracted fight with Hearn and that he may go to Frank Warren. Surely not?
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
Never really been fond of Haye so while that's a gross mismatch I'd actually be fine with it. Haye could get injured sneezing and postpone the fight 6 months so better make sure that contract gives than a one date only rule.

I've heard that Parker is Joshua's last contracted fight with Hearn and that he may go to Frank Warren. Surely not?
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Would never go to Warren lol

Will probably start his own promotional company at some point and still have Eddie manage/advise his career.
 
Kazi said:
Would never go to Warren lol

Will probably start his own promotional company at some point and still have Eddie manage/advise his career.
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Would he consider Golden Boy or Top Rank in a bid to crack America?
Although they don't seem quite the pull they once were, but perhaps that's more to do with HBO reducing their spend on boxing and British boxing/Matchroom having grown so much in the last few years
 
T_Model101 said:
Would he consider Golden Boy or Top Rank in a bid to crack America?
Although they don't seem quite the pull they once were, but perhaps that's more to do with HBO reducing their spend on boxing and British boxing/Matchroom having grown so much in the last few years
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No and no.

GBP is crap and couldn't afford him. They would be dead now but for Canelo. TR underpays when it comes to superstar level but are great at building a star. Joshua is already a super star. He will stay with a British promoter and be open to work with any American promoter which is the current set up. Hearn has a good relationship with GBP and Haymon and to my understand good enough with TR who aren't really in the Heavyweight business anyway.
 
I get the Joshua love in, but he is nothing special.
The British media and Mr Money have bummed him up big time.
Who has Wilder fought ? Who the feck has Joshua fought......... Klitscho that's it, a man who should have beaten him.
A man who didnt lay a glove on Haye or Fury.
Joshua is a big powerful man and is up there in a poor standard of heavyweight, but he wont dominate.
Wilder for all his faults would ko him if he connected, simple as that.
The guys ego will come crashing down, mark my words.
 
No11 said:
I get the Joshua love in, but he is nothing special.
The British media and Mr Money have bummed him up big time.
Who has Wilder fought ? Who the feck has Joshua fought......... Klitscho that's it, a man who should have beaten him.
A man who didnt lay a glove on Haye or Fury.
Joshua is a big powerful man and is up there in a poor standard of heavyweight, but he wont dominate.
Wilder for all his faults would ko him if he connected, simple as that.
The guys ego will come crashing down, mark my words.
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Haye fought in survival mode. Difficult to really land on a world class fighter who's intent is just to see the 12 rounds out. The Fury-Klit fight was a shit show but he did come to fight against Joshua and actually showed his offense whereas he just never looked into it with Fury from the buildup to the fight itself. Joshua was hist last chance, a huge attendance away from home.

If Joshua lands on Wilder it's over. It could be who lands first but we've seen Joshua has what it takes to regroup and he has the tighter technique than Wilder so conventional wisdom says 9/10 he lands first.

Joshua has a lot of flaws though I agree but he's a work in progress. He has the natural talent and the right mentality (up to now) to take his potential far IMO.
 
No11 said:
BJS fighting Martin Murray?
Strange one this.
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It's a stay busy fight. He's obviously nailed on to fight the GGG-Canelo II winner in the latter part of the year so picking a safe fight. Murray is slow, so Saunders can win 12-0. Jacobs was mentioned for April but Warren quickly said no he brings nothing to the table (too much risk for the reward).
 
No11 said:
I get the Joshua love in, but he is nothing special.
The British media and Mr Money have bummed him up big time.
Who has Wilder fought ? Who the feck has Joshua fought......... Klitscho that's it, a man who should have beaten him.
A man who didnt lay a glove on Haye or Fury.
Joshua is a big powerful man and is up there in a poor standard of heavyweight, but he wont dominate.
Wilder for all his faults would ko him if he connected, simple as that.
The guys ego will come crashing down, mark my words.
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The Klitschko that fought Fury was entirely different to the one that Joshua faced. It's a pointless comparison.

Of course he would, and if Joshua connected properly he'd KO Wilder. That's what you get with big punching heavyweights.
 
G-manc said:
How so?
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Really? Klitschko was entirely disinterested at the point in his career when he fought Fury. His preparation against Joshua, however, was on an entirely different level. He knew it was his last shot against AJ and put everything into it. It's very, very noticeable.
 
ivaldo said:
Really? Klitschko was entirely disinterested at the point in his career when he fought Fury. His preparation against Joshua, however, was on an entirely different level. He knew it was his last shot against AJ and put everything into it. It's very, very noticeable.
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There may be some truth to that but a lot of it is to due to the contrast in styles. Fury is unorthodox and frustrates, winning rounds on points. AJ wants a straight up brawl.

I think the Klitschko/AJ fight was the best heavyweight fight in a long time, but I think Fury had the tougher task of the two. In Germany as well.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
There may be some truth to that but a lot of it is to due to the contrast in styles. Fury is unorthodox and frustrates, winning rounds on points. AJ wants a straight up brawl.

I think the Klitschko/AJ fight was the best heavyweight fight in a long time, but I think Fury had the tougher task of the two. In Germany as well.
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Thank you.

The usual not wanting to give Fury any credit. He shut Klitshcko down in what was admittedly not a great spectacle whereas Joshua doesn't have the boxing ability to do the same.
 
G-manc said:
Thank you.

The usual not wanting to give Fury any credit. He shut Klitshcko down in what was admittedly not a great spectacle whereas Joshua doesn't have the boxing ability to do the same.
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Your flat refusal to accept the difference in condition and mind set from Klitschko between the two fights is damning.
 
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