Why are y’all talking like every top boxer/athlete isn’t on something. Fury is back and still has his Lineal status which is great.
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If we went down the p4p list up until like 50, I’d be surprised if someone wasn’t doping. You’ll get the odd exception yeah, but it’ll be like 10% or less.
You misunderstand me. When I replied "all" it was in response to you saying "Why are y’all talking". I'm of the opinion they do dope and was pointing out to you that we all are not talking like every top boxer isn't on something.
He wanted to be Canadian when it suited him and British when it suited him.
I know technically he's British, and my first comment was a bit tongue in cheek. But I never warmed to Lennox when he carried the Canadian flag, spoke with a Canadian accent but appealed to British fans when it suited him.
Ahh. I did think it might be that but wasn’t sure.
You can see his growth gut ffs
I don't claim to know the ins and outs of what a roider looks like. Of course he could be a doper. What I found curious was that the poster seemed to infer that a proven drugs cheat has some sort of moral claim to 'his' belts.
I think it's fair to say most of them probably are doping and I'm not particularly bothered about Fury doing it. The truth of the matter is though the likes of Joshua haven't been convicted (or seemingly admitted) to being a drug cheat and therefore the logic is right it's unfair to tar him with the same brush because he doesn't pass an eye test. He's passing drugs tests which Fury isn't.
Equally Joshua isn't the one going round on every interview accusing Fury of being on steroids....Fury did that with Joshua and it turns out is now a drugs cheat himself.
Equally Joshua isn't the one going round on every interview accusing Fury of being on steroids....Fury did that with Joshua and it turns out is now a drugs cheat himself.
Really looking forward to Saturday's fight. I'm think Lemieux should win he's probably got the most one punch power at the weight and though Saunders is skilled he's not a completely elusive slickster and he seems to get sloppy and tired. Saunders seems to have a good chin for the most part sot it will be interesting.
Went to Lomachenko-Rigondeaux and there were a fair few Brits there at the fight that came to town for it. Lomachenko is so impressive in that he's a busy, attacking fighter with plenty of moves and tools but he's great defensively at the same time and his footwork is second to none. It must be so disparaging being in there when he's taken your weapon right away and is just winning every minute of every round at his pace. I've seen a lot of great fighters live, but he's the best I've seen to this point. Got to meet him after the fight and he's a tiny fella. I really don't see him having the frame to make it all the way up through the weights so feel he really should camp out at lightweight once he's there.
I'm hearing they want him to fight 3 or 4 times next year including an ESPN PPV. They want a unification at 130 next (Berchelt the proffered option) and then by early summer to fight the winner of the wbo 135 fight between Beltran and Moses. After that I suspect they will get rid of Salido once and for all and hopefully can get GBP to let Linares fight him (I'm sure Linares would be keen).
Went to Lomachenko-Rigondeaux and there were a fair few Brits there at the fight that came to town for it. Lomachenko is so impressive in that he's a busy, attacking fighter with plenty of moves and tools but he's great defensively at the same time and his footwork is second to none. It must be so disparaging being in there when he's taken your weapon right away and is just winning every minute of every round at his pace. I've seen a lot of great fighters live, but he's the best I've seen to this point. Got to meet him after the fight and he's a tiny fella. I really don't see him having the frame to make it all the way up through the weights so feel he really should camp out at lightweight once he's there.
I'm hearing they want him to fight 3 or 4 times next year including an ESPN PPV. They want a unification at 130 next (Berchelt the proffered option) and then by early summer to fight the winner of the wbo 135 fight between Beltran and Moses. After that I suspect they will get rid of Salido once and for all and hopefully can get GBP to let Linares fight him (I'm sure Linares would be keen).
Watched the Rigondeux v Lomachnko fight and it was piss poor IMO. Rigondeux gets big reviews on here but he just spent all the night hugging and doing a Floyd when he bends down to avoid shots and get the the ref to step in. Either he ripped off Mayweather or taught him. Sadly for him though, there was no shoulder role, no jab, no punches, just ducking down and hugging, then holding the arms. Not a great fight, he was the smaller man but damn, what a waste.
He wasn't doping FULL stop according to him, but even so his fight v Wlad still stands, only one for Hughey and Tyson is DQ I think. Nice try though, he's still the king of the ring. What he did againgst Klitchko takes some doing, going over to Germany, kaing it look easy, not getting hit, leaving Wlad bruised and cut, taking away 5 belts from a man not troubled in a decade. Look how easy Wlad trouble AJ, and that was in London!
I get what you mean mate, but its hardly propoganda is it now. That's what BBC, Itv news, Sky, Fox, c5 and the American news channels do, they make people belive someones is bad and then go for a rich persons war or something, which has nothing to do with us, we don't care about. Eddie Herne is just putting his view out there on a platform, he made Kugans IFL tv bigger, and pays for some of his flights and hotels, even drives hime around in his bentley. At the end of the day, as good as IFL tv is, its just a Youtuve channel. Its not BBC or Disney.
I do love Herne and Frank Warren sniping at each other though, great fun.
He wasn't doping FULL stop according to him, but even so his fight v Wlad still stands, only one for Hughey and Tyson is DQ I think. Nice try though, he's still the king of the ring. What he did againgst Klitchko takes some doing, going over to Germany, kaing it look easy, not getting hit, leaving Wlad bruised and cut, taking away 5 belts from a man not troubled in a decade. Look how easy Wlad trouble AJ, and that was in London!
I get what you mean mate, but its hardly propoganda is it now. That's what BBC, Itv news, Sky, Fox, c5 and the American news channels do, they make people belive someones is bad and then go for a rich persons war or something, which has nothing to do with us, we don't care about. Eddie Herne is just putting his view out there on a platform, he made Kugans IFL tv bigger, and pays for some of his flights and hotels, even drives hime around in his bentley. At the end of the day, as good as IFL tv is, its just a Youtuve channel. Its not BBC or Disney.
I do love Herne and Frank Warren sniping at each other though, great fun.
He is a great boxer for me but he has a very specific skill and has fought his entire career being able to control fighters with minimal effort. He has expert timing, great vision, control of distance, solid power etc; but he came up against a guy who's even better than him at what he does and an expert in nearly every area so once he took his plan A and gave him looks he never had to deal with things became problematic and his only other plan was to just try and stop Lomachenko and that resorted to, like you said ducking low or holding and even then Lomachenko being the bigger man was stronger in a clinch so was able to break away.
It was a bad style and skill match for Rigo but I do feel he'd be favorite against any other fighter around those weight classes. Gary Russell probably presents the most problems given his speed and power but I think Rigo is the better boxer and could simply win more rounds. He'd beat Santa Cruz and Frampton by wide decisions IMO. I hope for his sake he's able to get those fights and prove himself. I didn't appreciate his quit job but I have sympathy for him for how his career has been handled.
Saunders already talking about fighting Canelo. Be silly for him to underestimate Lemieux, he has terrific power.
I like Lemieux. He's exciting to watch. Run Billy Joe run!
What time is the fight tonight UK time peeps?
Lol Lemieux got absolutely schooled by BJS.
He did. Lemieux looked awful tbh, expected a lot more.
That was so easy. I knew Lemieux was one dimensional but wow. He had no idea how to set anything up or cut the ring off at all. Excellent performance by Saunders. I hope he gets a good fight in the spring time. I'd love to see him against Jacobs or Andrade. Perhaps those fights could be a little on the boring side but it would be intriguing and really set up the winner for a fight later in the year vs. GGG-Canelo II winner.
Well no it' not literal propaganda in the same level as starting a war, I never claimed that but the fact remains he uses IFL TV (and is allowed to use it) to basically spread his lies about stuff. Again I don't mind the guy and am glad he is willing to speak on a platform like that as some stuff he says is interesting. Some of it is absolute bollocks though i.e. the ticket resale stuff. My point is that it's a huge conflict of interest to have a partnership with what is essentially a ticket tout website then pretend the whole thing is legit, it's a way of getting more money from people really. Not accusing the guy of starting a war or anything of the sort, just a simple criticism.
BJS did well against Lemiuex, surprised me how awful Lemiuex was. I imagine BJS would fight one of Canelo or GGG if the price is right, realistically I think he'd lose to both and he knows he's the underdog so may as well make sure he gets paid well to do it.
Why would there be white text, mate? He's amazing He's without doubt one of the most skilled I've ever seen. I'm not saying he's one of the GOATs, just the most skilled. Akin to how Ronaldinho is one of the most skillful football players ever but not considered a true great.
What's your definition of skill, though? I mean, boxing has truly phenomenal fighters in every category that one can think of and I'm assuming you've a broad knowledge of the sport, so it's one hell of a statement to make.
Especially so given the people he's fought in comparison to others who did what they did against a stream of elite boxers in their own right (people themselves considered Hall Of Famers).
Luis Ortiz vs Deontay Wilder on March 3rd! Finally Wilder faces someone who's strong, skilled and a terrific puncher. This is going to be a real test for Wilder. Ortiz is a tough guy, there was this one moment vs Malik Scott, something like a headbutt which shook him for like a second but he was back almost instantly. Doesn't seem to be chinny.
Here's a shot of me with Lomachenko after the Rigo fight. I look a little drunk I'll admit.
If Ortiz is similar to the same guy that got Jennings out of there in impressive fashion he beats Wilder IMO. I suspect it would be hard for him to win on the cards though.
I think Wilder will beat Ortiz tbh. Either that, or the fight doesn’t happen.
I rate Ortiz’s boxing still really highly. But I don’t think anything will stop Joshua-Wilder from happening.
I thought he was looking impressive about 2-3 years ago but his fights recently has looked flat, boring and just old.
Wilder doesn't impress me but he has serious power but poor technique. He may decide to stick and move with Wilder though kind of like he did in the first Stiverne fight.
Was checking out some IFL bits and pieces, hoping that Haye v Bellew 2 comes off in May and got looking back nearly 5 years to sept 2013 the Haye v Fury presser. Amazing stuff from Fury, there's a part where he just straight out owsn Haye in talking, calling him a little girl and it it he says he will be flattening Wlad next to which Haye seems to laugh and doubt. Fury has a look and tone saying I'm gonna beat you, use you as a stepping stone then take out Wlad, I'm gonna do it because I can, at which point Adam Booth Hayes trainer turns and looks at him. Amazing to see how looking back we all thought Tyson Fury was unproven and a bit daft, laughed for saying he'd own Klitcko, especially over there, but that is exactly what he did.
Can't wait for his return. 2018 should be killer for boxing entertainment, what with Groves, Eubank, Saunders, Fury's training and comments then Joshua fighting Parker and Wilder. Just hope Owen Hargreaves can stay fit for camp and fight and end Tony Bellew as well. Khan v Brook might be pushing it a bit, too much to ask.
Can't wait for his return. 2018 should be killer for boxing entertainment, what with Groves, Eubank, Saunders, Fury's training and comments then Joshua fighting Parker and Wilder. Just hope Owen Hargreaves can stay fit for camp and fight and end Tony Bellew as well. Khan v Brook might be pushing it a bit, too much to ask.
And the one with Chisora 2. Tysons family in the crowd getting Derek going mental, so funny and a big F you to the PC brigade of today.
Oscar Valdez vs. Scott Quigg March 10th. Great little fight right there. I think Quigg can win this one. Valdez is a little wide with his punches and tries to make every one a power shot. Can see Quigg getting there first with his straight punches and patient style.
The build up for Brook-Khan starts now after a few gimme fights down the line as it’s the main money fight either have left.
Khan is showing early signs of brain damage and Brook has two fractured eye sockets. Neither should be boxing at any high level again.
Sort of agree on both counts. It's a shame Khan was never interested in this when both were top level fighters.
That said I hope Brook flattens him if and when it does happen. I guess that's the good thing with how well British Boxing is doing at the box office that a match as dross as Haye-Bellew did so well commercially and that Brook-Khan will be a big ticket.
3 fight deal for Amir Khan (Eddie Hearn style)
Spring - Frankie Gavin
Summer - Anthony Crolla at 144 catchweight, MEN 20k sell out
Winter - Kell Brook, 800k on PPV
Spring - Frankie Gavin
Summer - Anthony Crolla at 144 catchweight, MEN 20k sell out
Winter - Kell Brook, 800k on PPV
Wilder sentenced to 60 hours community service for possession of marijuana.