The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Canelo has to have some Irish blood in him man. If he does, he’s genetically a fighting god.
 
Kazi said:
Canelo has to have some Irish blood in him man. If he does, he’s genetically a fighting god.
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There were a lot of Irish settlers in Guadalajara around 200 years ago in addition to more Europeans (French and Spaniards) than other parts of Mexico. In Guadalajara people tend to be a bit lighter. I'm sure he has a tiny bit of Irish in him.
 
I favour Eubank. Less miles on the clock and seems to have inherited his dad's toughness.

Groves is too easily involved in a row and still has questionable stamina for me.
 
G-manc said:
What a beautiful fighter to watch in his prime - those little feints and slips.

Proper hard man.
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Even as a fat Heavyweight he was a joy to watch. Standing in the pocket with guys that have about 50 lbs on him naturally. Slipping, blocking, countering. He really deserved the wins over Rahman and Peter (first fight).

I could watch the McCallum fights all day. About as much combined craft, technical skills and Ring IQ as you can get in the same ring.
 
Would love to see Fury back fit and fighting just don't see him getting back to what he was. Joyce looks a good prospect and is it Dubois in Warren's stable? 3 years down the line they could both challenge Joshua potentially. but for now with Parker and Wilder being only realistic challenges to him i think he will dominate for a good few years which is a shame as it becomes a one man division again like it did under Klitschko (technically 2 with his brother but they would never fight each other).
 
Parker's having a right go at AJ uh. That press conference was a bit ridiculous IMO but i think JP really wants to have a go at Joshua. I wouldn't go so far as to call Joshua 'glass-chinned' but yes he's there for the taking. Among the really big guys he isn't the hardest to hit. Vitali Klitschko for instance was a lot more awkward and troublesome to land on that AJ.

Parker will have his work cut out. I see his stamina and chin as advantages. He's going to try and make things happen given AJ's reach advantage and might just walk into a few bombs. Lord knows how long he can keep taking them.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
:lol: Great article. I'll be all over that Toney as a bounty hunter TV show like a fly around shite if it actually gets made. Dark Trade was a brilliant book btw. Strongly recommend it if you haven't read it before.
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Yeah I've read it. Great book.

Yeah, Toney is such a character that that will be must watch TV. I never like brash fighters or trash talkers but I changed my rules for Toney. Perhaps because he's the best at trash talk so I forgive him.
 
Really think Wilder screwed up here or was just too chicken to risk his golden ticket. Parker arguably just as bad tho. They really should have fought each other then have a huge unification fight with AJ.
Out of Parker and Wilder the Wilder fight would surely sell more so seems like the logical decision to leave him as the last one to take on.
Who ever is advising Wilder tho should be taken out back and spoken to.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Really think Wilder screwed up here or was just too chicken to risk his golden ticket. Parker arguably just as bad tho. They really should have fought each other then have a huge unification fight with AJ.
Out of Parker and Wilder the Wilder fight would surely sell more so seems like the logical decision to leave him as the last one to take on.
Who ever is advising Wilder tho should be taken out back and spoken to.
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Hardly a surprise. I could tell by the way Wilder was talking it was all just for the sake of using Joshua's name to build a fan base. It's worked - I've noticed more of his fans now on social media and Boxing sites. They are using the avoided angle which is a popular seller to some.

If you go back a few pages I said he'd reject a great offer and sign to fight another sub par opponent.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Really think Wilder screwed up here or was just too chicken to risk his golden ticket. Parker arguably just as bad tho. They really should have fought each other then have a huge unification fight with AJ.
Out of Parker and Wilder the Wilder fight would surely sell more so seems like the logical decision to leave him as the last one to take on.
Who ever is advising Wilder tho should be taken out back and spoken to.
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Makes no sense for both Wilder or Parker to fight each other. The loser would lose the Joshua payday. This way, they both get paid, and Joshua gets paid twice.
 
Kazi said:
Makes no sense for both Wilder or Parker to fight each other. The loser would lose the Joshua payday. This way, they both get paid, and Joshua gets paid twice.
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If one of them is holding 2 belts automatically the intrest in the fight on their side increases, the money they could ask for would probably be double, the media behind the fight would be bigger, basically everything would be bigger, hence more money.
 
Verbalkint said:
Loma vs Rigo coming weekend!! How are you guys calling it? It's a real toughie!!
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Loma. Obviously both are tremendously skilled but size is going to be the deciding issue, Rigo could probably still make 118.
 
The scary thing is that I can actually visualise a situation where Rigo pulls it off. Loma is surely the safe bet though, given the size difference.
 
Whoever wins is P4P no.1 in my eyes. I think Loma winning would be better for the sport but personally hope Rigo pulls it off, great character and since that sensational Donaire win he hasn't had the chance to really test himself. Very close fight.
 
Off to NYC tomorrow for this fight. Getting really excited about it and as the time has came closer I have tried to watch more of their fights with an eye to see how it looks stylistically.

BOTH guys face a stylistic nightmare IMO. Both are masterful boxers with great intellect while Loma looks for the action more he's so fast twitch and improvisational whilst being defensively responsible whereas Rigo is more than happy to sit back, avoid and strike with venom. I don't think Rigo can simply win by sitting back and I don't think Loma will run out of ideas just following him. Whoever can counter the counter or set more traps and take advantages will control the tempo of the fight.

Ultimately the X factors for me are that Loma is bigger, younger and has been more active and has more gears so he can win rounds at fast paces as I don't think Rigo will be able to keep it slow all night and then there's the question who takes a punch better? I think Rigo has the advantage with one punch power, but suspect he'll have a hard time landing often and while I also think Loma will have a hard time landing often, Rigo has been dropped a few times before so that might be advantage Loma. It becomes Rigo's fight if he's able to hit and hurt Loma repeatedly but that seems unlikely imo.

My prediction

I think they take a look and it's close for a few rounds (perhaps 2-2 or a very close 3-1 Loma) and then Loma is able to buzz or drop Rigo and then momentarily take control and probably win 2-3 rounds clearly and then Rigo will adapt and make the fight similar again to the first 3-4 rounds. I think Loma will be up around 2-3 rounds but sort of overwhelm him down the stretch and win a clear cut 8-4/9-3 (maybe with a knockdown) type decision in a fight that's highly skillful for the most part but lacking in drama despite some tactical twists.
 
Kazi said:
The scary thing is that I can actually visualise a situation where Rigo pulls it off. Loma is surely the safe bet though, given the size difference.
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Rigo has the power advantage for sure :) We'll have to see, this is a tough one to call and like you said Loma has the size advantage.
 
Got to favour Loma in this one. It's a tough enough ask going up to weight classes to fight a very respectful title holder never mind the most talented boxer around at the moment in arguably his prime.

In addition, Rigo hasn't had a tough fight since Donaire but yet got dropped numerous times in Japan to some nobody. There is also rumours about his lifestyle being too lax for a professional athlete. I suspect he would have come into the fight with renewed motivation and trained hard. But fact remains, he's still aged and could be past his best. Even at his best, it's a tough ask.

Just wish Frampton, LSC, Quigg or any of them fighters in the Bantamweight division would have grown a pair and actually thought Rigo a few years back because this fight proves it wasn't him bottling it.
 
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