Umm, what?
Boxers often smile when they know an opponent has landed big. GGG simply wears the same poker face, it doesn't mean he hasn't felt the punch. Simple enough for you?
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Boxers often smile when they know an opponent has landed big. GGG simply wears the same poker face, it doesn't mean he hasn't felt the punch. Simple enough for you?
Because you don't actually know what you're talking about.
You live in some alternate universe where Canelo was masterfully boxing GGG off the back foot by choice... against the wishes of his trainer and corner.
Everybody else can see GGG walking him down, forcing him back and making Canelo fight with his back on the ropes.
Obviously a different strategy. He didn't deploy his power punches and opted to respect Canelo's power with his jab.
Yeah except Canelo did exactly that multiple times.
Canelo didn't hurt GGG with an uppercut in the 8th which for most other fighters would be a straight knock out.
This reads like a RAWK post, defending Liverpool, after a match where they had less possession, less shots on target and were completely dominated by the opposing team.
Doesn't matter, la, we won the defending!
This can't be justified as an arguable or close fight. GGG dominated most rounds, Canelo was competing in some. Canelo showed some world class grit late on IMO and has heart but he was out-everything'd. 116-112. Closest was 115-113
Holy shit! He really does lose his done fecking mind!
We all feel Teddy's emotion tonight. Well except for Adelaide Byrd and a poster or two here.
And Teddy HATES GGG. He's made that clear previously.
I find it slightly intriguing that a tiny minority think it was a fair decision.
It's like observing Orson Lannister.
It's like observing Orson Lannister.
GGG won the bout but Canelo gave a good account of himself. Definitely nothing to be embarrassed about. But where was this intelligent boxing from Canelo? One of the posters mentioned? fecking mental.
As I said, if anything, GGG lost his last fight against Jacobs rather than drawing this ffs!
As I said, if anything, GGG lost his last fight against Jacobs rather than drawing this ffs!
People like to be different
Yeah I thought the Jacobs fight as actually closer than this.
De La Hoya said Byrd is a competent judge and boxing won today....what a complete fecking tool.
For sure!
Not in a million years...
Did he really say that ? What a piece of dogshit.
Seriously, though, there must be like 5% or less who think it was a fair decision. I'm struggling to think a such an overwhelming opinion on a controversial decision. Usually, it's 55-45, 60/40 not 95-5
Except that's not how the fight went and defending is much more important in boxing than it is in football........la.
One of the two rounds bird actually gave to GGG was round 7, the judge who went for the draw gave that round to canelo
Really weird scoring
Really weird scoring
It's a RAWK post because you think people are saying Canelo lost because he was on the back foot or something.....he was on the back foot and controlled the first 2 rounds....no one denies he won them......the rest however, different story. GGG changed up.
Fwiw...
Even GP called it out...
Even GP called it out...
rounds 4-5-7-8-9 were pretty clearly GGG's, round 12 was Canelo's, the rest were close. Scored it 6-6 myself, but anything between 8-4 GGG to 7-5 Canelo(very much a stretch this) wouldn't have been a travesty imho
You know, I totally agree with you. At first I didn't, but then, but now, I totally see your point. Controlling the fight isn't about winning the fight, it's about winning the engagements, and by winning the engagements I mean controlling them. Canelo running around the ring from GGG for 9 rounds, was controlling the impetus of the fight. He was able to dictate which ropes GGG battered him against, and that, my friends, is how you win fights. Canelo was able to dictate the flow of those rounds, by having a 15 second flurry either at the start of the round, or in the middle. Afterwards, when he was exhausted, and being chased around the ring by what can only be accurately described as, a zombie, he scored morale victory after morale victory by not being brained.
Canelo showed superior ring generalship by virtually turning his back, and sprinting from GGG as GGG closed in like a brain hungry boxing zombie. By controlling where GGG chased him around the ring, Canelo showed he was a more crafty fighter. So yea, I agree completely. GGG was totally outclassed by the craftiness of Canelo.
Does anybody ever get to speak to these judges? I can't rest until somebody sits down with her and explains what happened and sees how thick she is
To me this was closer than the Jacobs fight because Jacobs was scared to fight. I liked Canelos effort but he fell short but he's an intelligent fighter and can maybe come closer in a re-match. That said I felt he lost by 4 points and the style is difficult for him.
Obviously that scorecard is a joke but the result isn't the worst in the world. In big fights like this when both fighters finish in decent condition you often see the draw given.
Personally I scored it 7-5 GGG and one of those was a swinger, could've easily been 8-4
Canelo started great taking the first 3 but clearly gassed as GGG stepped up the pressure losing the next 5/6 in succession, he dug in admirably for the last stretch and landed some decent power shots whilst GGG continued to press.
The extra weight seemed to effect canelo, he was blowing hard between rounds and was stretching alot prior to the restarts, GGG actually looked stronger as the fight went on and was clearly much fitter and more comfortable, a couple more rounds and he'd have had him out of there I reckon
Was a great fight, it's a shame we're discussing the scoring again and not the spectacle, can't wait for the rematch
Personally I scored it 7-5 GGG and one of those was a swinger, could've easily been 8-4
Canelo started great taking the first 3 but clearly gassed as GGG stepped up the pressure losing the next 5/6 in succession, he dug in admirably for the last stretch and landed some decent power shots whilst GGG continued to press.
The extra weight seemed to effect canelo, he was blowing hard between rounds and was stretching alot prior to the restarts, GGG actually looked stronger as the fight went on and was clearly much fitter and more comfortable, a couple more rounds and he'd have had him out of there I reckon
Was a great fight, it's a shame we're discussing the scoring again and not the spectacle, can't wait for the rematch
Teddy's reaction is understandable. It was a travesty.
I don't think the result is nearly as outrageous as it is being made out to be. Think Canelo won the first 2, probably 3 and the last 2. Although some of the middle rounds were completely dominated by GGG there were a few that were close so it's not out of the realms of possibly that this fight was a draw - most likely swayed by Canelos better quality/quantity of power shots. Yeah GGG fought the better fight but it's scored round by round.
People don't know how to score fights. Boxing is scored on clean punching, effective aggression and ring generalship. It's also scored on a round by round basis. In the first 5-6 rounds Alvarez won at least 4 of the rounds. After that he ran out of steam but he only needs to win 2 rounds to get a draw.
Many seem to be impressed with GGG taking 5-6 very clean punches walking forward and missing and hitting gloves with Alvarez backed up. In that scenario GGG loses the round as overly simplistic as I've made sound. Even if GGG lands but Alvarez rolls with the punches if Alvarez is landing cleaner and more flush, he's taking the round.
Also if Alvarez is throwing nothing and GGG is missing and hitting gloves for much of the round and then Alvarez lands very clean for 30 seconds then Alvarez has won that round because he's the one landing clean.
That said the 118-110 is a disgrace but a draw certainly isn't, neither is a close win for Alvarez.
Compubox is some random button bashers and it's a joke to think GGG was nearly as accurate by percentage as Alvarez. Does anyone actually believe that? Many of GGGs 'landed punches' were still hitting gloves or missing or not landing very cleanly. Whenever Alvarez threw he was landing very very clean for the most part.
Many seem to be impressed with GGG taking 5-6 very clean punches walking forward and missing and hitting gloves with Alvarez backed up. In that scenario GGG loses the round as overly simplistic as I've made sound. Even if GGG lands but Alvarez rolls with the punches if Alvarez is landing cleaner and more flush, he's taking the round.
Also if Alvarez is throwing nothing and GGG is missing and hitting gloves for much of the round and then Alvarez lands very clean for 30 seconds then Alvarez has won that round because he's the one landing clean.
That said the 118-110 is a disgrace but a draw certainly isn't, neither is a close win for Alvarez.
Compubox is some random button bashers and it's a joke to think GGG was nearly as accurate by percentage as Alvarez. Does anyone actually believe that? Many of GGGs 'landed punches' were still hitting gloves or missing or not landing very cleanly. Whenever Alvarez threw he was landing very very clean for the most part.
Byrd's card is incomprehensible. She looks to be stupid, not corrupt. A corrupt judge would have scored it 7-5 or so, not 10-2.
A very close fight IMO though. GGG should have won, but I could understand a 6-6 judging. Had it 7-5 for GGG, but it could have easily been a 6-6 (or even a 5-7 if you're on De La Hoya's payroll). 10-2 though? That's definitely the worst judging card I have ever seen.
A very close fight IMO though. GGG should have won, but I could understand a 6-6 judging. Had it 7-5 for GGG, but it could have easily been a 6-6 (or even a 5-7 if you're on De La Hoya's payroll). 10-2 though? That's definitely the worst judging card I have ever seen.
Maybe she doesn't know which one was canelo and which one was GGG
I thought Glolovkin edged it but it was in no way a robbery, it's just been magnified by the one ridiculous scorecard.
I thought Canelo edged it as he was landing the cleaner punches, particularly in the last third of the fight. But Golovkin was the more aggressive, which plays well with Vegas judges, and a draw is not unfair. As for 118-110, that judge should be stood down as it's the type of scoring you'd expect if Kim Jong-Un were fighting in a home bout.
How is 7-5 Canelo corrupt? Canelo landed more power shots, and cleaner. There were several rounds where if you favour quality of punches over quantity and aggression, you'd have given to Canelo. GGG was the slightly better fighter, but boxing is scored by rounds and there were at least 6 rounds which really came down to whether you score it for the guy going forward and throwing and landing more punches, or the guy landing more and cleaner power shots
Ultimately neither fighter really hurt the other and neither was clearly better than the other
Maybe she doesn't know which one was canelo and which one was GGG
I thought that when the scores were called
it happened in a fight not too long back didn't it?This, a million times over. The fight is up on the usual mass media internet platform. Please go back and watch it people with the emotion removed and with objectivity instead of cheering your favorite fighter. In other words watch with your heads and not with your hearts.