If you give every single swing round to Canelo, you can probably make a case for 115-113. If you give them all to Golovkin, it could probably be 117-111. Canelo maybe won more of his rounds by finer margins which can give the perception of him getting a 'gift' decision.
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I can't believe folks are arguing this decision. It's a farce. I'm a bit livid to be honest.
118-110?
What the feck were you thinking you utter crack head!?
118-110?
What the feck were you thinking you utter crack head!?
Who the feck is arguing that?
Yes but how many of those scoring punches helped to establish control of the fight?
If I spend 12 round against you pawing/proding with my jab (this is just an example I'm not saying that is exactly what GGG did) and you spend 12 round against me teeing off with power punches but landing less of them then I do with a pawing jab, the stats will still show me having thrown more punches and landed more, it doesn't however tell the story of who controlled the action as my face might tell its own story.
My point is thrown and landed punches in itself is simply a way of counting punches, it doesn't give you a sense of the quality of those punches and the effect they had on the fight. Power punches landed as well as actually watching the fight tells its own story and this was not a dominant GGG performance. Canelo controlled the majority of the fight with smarter more educated work.
Honestly, the fight was fixed to be a draw and they'll fight on the weekend before or after Mexican independence in may.
It would have made much more sense for them to announce it 118-110 golovkin, give 7 rounds to 5 canelo one judge and the other score it a draw. Even then it would still have been a farce.
It would have made much more sense for them to announce it 118-110 golovkin, give 7 rounds to 5 canelo one judge and the other score it a draw. Even then it would still have been a farce.
Lets not forget Don Trella...a draw? No fecking way...close but certainly not a draw!
If you can show me a power punch from canelo that impacted the fight I'll be impressed
I'll second that. Kellerman never missed an opportunity to talk up Canelo and discredit or question anything GGG did.
A draw isn't the worst decision I've seen. I had Golovkin 8-4, but some of the rounds were close, and I can see 7-5, or maybe even 6-6 at a stretch.
2-10, though... Stevie Wonder would've scored the fight better than that.
Punch counting is simply what they do at the Olympics. The quality of punches thrown and the control they helped you maintain over a fight is what separates Olympic level from professional.
I really hate fights like these, im actually fuming and want to go to sleep but i dont because i want to punch something.
Canelo could of had anvils for fists and GGG would have treated them like they were sponges
I don't need to, watch the fight again, you can't miss them.
This guy called it.
Not one power punch had a big enough effect on GGG that it swung the fight in canelos favour. You're at the wind up and you've been successful. 99% of the world disagrees with you because your opinions are completely wrong
Fairly close but not a draw. Even the later rounds where Canelo came out early throwing, GGG would come back and flurries of his own....in any case...fecked up night.
Thats fecking utter utter bollocks. He won first two rounds. Maybe a 3rd. After that it was all GGG. 'Educated work' what in the name of feck are you talking about? Canelo was around the ropes trying to look like GGGs isn't bothering him whilst looking gassed out.
Another one calling the travesty before it happened.
Yeah, that's nice. GGG won eight rounds. Threw more, landed more, cut off the ring, and constantly had Alvarez running from him. You can bullshit it whatever way you like, though.
Look at the numbers for round 9. That was maybe the clearest round visually for GGG. Even after it canelos corner said he needed 3 amazing rounds. FARCE
Then you weren't watching the fight properly, the fact the Golovkin shows little outward effect of punches in terms of facial expression does not mean he isn't feeling the punches. Look at his face at the end of the fight and look at how he couldn't walk through Canelo and get the KO. Body language can tell you a lot. GGG stalked him for large periods but was always weary of being counter punched. Just because a fighter chooses to fight off the back foot doesn't mean he is losing and Canelo controlled large sections of the fight off the back foot. #ringgeneralship
Definitely a WUM. My mistake for biting.
And totally expected. I said that about these judges but at least Moretti was almost correct. Byrd has to go.
116-112 GGG I think Canelo was excellent in spots but GGG was dominant for stretches. I'm sad for the sport right now.
Do you still think Canelo won?
Almost the whole of the planet disagrees with you but you're right.
I scored it 8-4 GGG. It's about time judges like Byrd have their careers ended for this type of shit... where's the incentive to score a fight impartially when judges can do this and still be judging other big fights in 6 months time? It happens time after time and has done for years... they still recycle the same dodgy judges regardless. There's no desire to fix it.
What control did Canelo have? He was consistently being walked down and spent the large part of most rounds against the ropes being hit... his corner begging him round after round to stay off the ropes and he couldn't do it. He'd look lively in the first minute or so and then normal service resumes. I'd give him credit for staying calm under pressure and landing some good counters but he was still being outlanded... the aggression and ring generalship was all GGG.
What control did Canelo have? He was consistently being walked down and spent the large part of most rounds against the ropes being hit... his corner begging him round after round to stay off the ropes and he couldn't do it. He'd look lively in the first minute or so and then normal service resumes. I'd give him credit for staying calm under pressure and landing some good counters but he was still being outlanded... the aggression and ring generalship was all GGG.
Again I have to question what fight you were watching if you don't think the power punches were having an actual effect. GGG normally walks through fighters but couldn't do so here. Why do you think that is?
I think it was a close fight and he did enough at least to earn a draw, I don't think GGG did enough to win.
Nah i'm good bro.
Bob Bennett, the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, came to ringside after the fight to address the controversy of Byrd's scorecard.
"Adalaide, in my estimation, is an outstanding judge," Bennett said. "She's done over 115 title fights and/or elimination bouts. She does a great deal of our training, takes a lot of our judges under their wing. I think being a judge is a very challenging position.
"Unfortunately, Adalaide was a little wide. I'm not making any excuses. I think she's an outstanding judge, and in any business sometimes you have a bad day. She saw the fight differently [than the other judges]. It happens."
"Adalaide, in my estimation, is an outstanding judge," Bennett said. "She's done over 115 title fights and/or elimination bouts. She does a great deal of our training, takes a lot of our judges under their wing. I think being a judge is a very challenging position.
"Unfortunately, Adalaide was a little wide. I'm not making any excuses. I think she's an outstanding judge, and in any business sometimes you have a bad day. She saw the fight differently [than the other judges]. It happens."
I question your understanding of the term ring generalship sir.
Anyway, can't believe people actually thought Golovkin would KO/stop Canelo lol