i really cant believe thats a draw, seemed a clear win for ggg to me...but im not a boxing expert like adelaide bird 
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Canelo you could argue comfortably took the opening 3-4 rounds comfortably. After that you can argue the toss over a fair few round but the superior ring generalship earned the draw for Alverez. He earned extra points with the judges for neutralizing a monster.
Edit: I'm not justifying the scoring of that judge, I am saying a draw is about fair.
Of course, the fight was great. I'd have no problem with the draw, but that 118-110 is just blatantly wrong.
Just how much of his power does he lose though if he cuts weight?
Only watched the last 4 rounds and GGG was more aggressive but last two rounds Canelo looked liked he was hitting more power shots. I'm not that clued up on how boxing's scored but based on those last 4 rounds a draw doesn't seem that far fetched, but obviously a lot of people had GGG winning most of the earlier rounds that I didn't watch.
So a rematch...
Question is, GGG's much vaunted power...while he didn't 'hurt' Canelo, it was obvious even taking into account his counterpunching style...Canelo was fearful of GGG and didnt press his early advantage.
But, maybe he fights with more conviction the next time around...
GGG though...wow
Question is, GGG's much vaunted power...while he didn't 'hurt' Canelo, it was obvious even taking into account his counterpunching style...Canelo was fearful of GGG and didnt press his early advantage.
But, maybe he fights with more conviction the next time around...
GGG though...wow
Yeah it is. She should never judge a fight again. Almost as bad as CJ Ross.
A draw isn't fair. Alvarez lost the fight. 8-4.
She only gave GGG 4 & 7
118-110 
come the feck on, that judge should be in jail
think draw isn't far-fetched but that judge...
come the feck on, that judge should be in jail think draw isn't far-fetched but that judge...
That´s what people been saying about her for 20 years or longer. She´ll be hidden on a few undercards and in 12 months she´s back to business, handing in her scorecard before a big fight before it starts. That´s how boxing works. In Europe they usually have two European judges for the home fighter, who love technical boxing and one alibi judge from (South )America for the challenger, who loves workrate/aggression. You can basically call the SD before the fight has even started.
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Doesn't matter though because he ain't knocking out GGG so might as well focus on outboxing him via scorecard (legitimately this time).
Hard to say but he lost the snap in his punches too early. Imo it would be worth giving up a little power to have his workrate back and speed later inn the fight. GGG didn't believe in going to the body tonight so that extra mass was redundant.
9 times out of 10 the judges score favourably for the aggressor. Not one of the 3 judges took that approach to scoring this fight, as GGG was easily on top for 8 of those round. Canelo didn't get rocked, but he invited the pressure and that's normally a HUGE no no, particularly with Dave Morretti. He nearly always gives rounds to the aggressor when it's that close in punch numbers.
I think the best thing to do is accept that so long as neither fighter beat the shit out of the other, this fight was destined to be a draw before the bell rang. There's just no way that something shady didn't go on.
I think the best thing to do is accept that so long as neither fighter beat the shit out of the other, this fight was destined to be a draw before the bell rang. There's just no way that something shady didn't go on.
Man...a rematch like 8-9 months from now...GGG even older.
I'm GGG's fan, I thought he got beat in his last fight against Jacobs and this fight he definitely won. Two wrong decisions in last two fights for him. Boxing is fecked. We need VAR big time!
Nah, it was closer than it looked and I think some are giving GGG points just for coming forward, whereas Canelo was still at certain points winning rounds on the back foot.
See that about tells the story of the fight I saw, the smarter more educated work came from Alvarez.
There will be those that point to the punching stats but it's similar in many ways to a team winning a football match whilst having 40% possession.
GGG won most of his rounds clearly, Canelo just edged his, but i had it 6-6 too
Apart from his chin i don't see what was so wow about him tonight. He looked robotic at times. Being natural at the weight the stamina is a gimme, but he couldn't hurt Canelo either and looked inferior technically throughout.
He really didn't
GGG has always been a volume puncher... You can't hold that against him now ffs
What's so smart and educated about getting out thrown and outlanded by an overwhelming margin over 12 rounds ?
It wasn't closer than it looked. It looked exactly as it looked. GGG won and it wasn't close.
Fight was great. I
There won't be an immediate re-match. If that was the case they would have gave the win to Canelo. Golden Boy will drag out the re-match hoping that another 6 months to 1 year will see GGG slow down a bit more.
The judge who gave it 118 - 110 to Canelo should be struck off.
The judge who gave it 118 - 110 to Canelo should be struck off.
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GGG is a bit of a brawler, whereas Canelo is smooth, but I wouldn't say he was technically inferior throughout.
And despite his come at you style playing right into Canelo's style...he didnt get that ragged or wild.
Money, money, money...
You can't in your right mind score that as 118-110. Unbelievable.
You can't in your right mind score that as 118-110. Unbelievable.
That RJJ quote
(RJJ was robbed of Olympic Gold in one of the most one-sided amateur bouts in history).
@Inter Yer Nan robbery!!!
That fight was fixed...and her scorecard proves it....she was never going to give GGG a fair shake.
You aren't looking at the PCT. Throwing less but landing at a higher percentage generally means your work was more educated especially over the course of that fight. Stats wise there clearly isn't a chasm between the two fighters.
Canelos best was better than GGGs best for me. Better movement, defence, work to the body, creating angles and punch selection. I don't like GGGs straight line style and tonight he brought none of his usual tricks like switch hitting etc.
Nah, the ring generalship was clearly with Canelo.
GGG didn't have to do anything, he felt canelos power and just thought feck it, another fighter I can just walk through their punches.
GGG set lots of traps tonight with his footwork, canelo smart enough to not fall for them. Neither really dazzled technically to be honest, but canelo certainly didn't look like more of a boxer than GGG