The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Ffs I'm not sure if I can make it. Seriously struggling to see in front me.. Should I just record it? I don't want to miss a good punch up, though.
 
Out of interest who preferred Gonzalez Rungvisai as a fight of the year?
 
That was a disgrace of a "fight" by jr

Can't believe i woke up at 5 in morning for that shite

At least we finally got Canelo vs GGG

Think GGG will win, Canelo's fast, but not as fast as Jacobs and he doesn't have Jacobs reach advantage to keep GGG off him and box him. GGG has greater punching power in both hands. Reckon Canelo will need to survive until the late rounds and hope GGG punches himself out to have a chance to stop him to win
 
Finally GGG v Canelo! Reckon GGG wins it but should be a good contest for him.
 
I only caught the last 5 rounds and I still feel cheated. Chavez and his team should be embarrassed.

GGG Canelo will be fun. I think Canelo is my favourite fighter to watch.
 
Fortitude said:
You guys overrate GGG by as much as you underrate Ward.
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I think GGG's rating is fair on most accounts. Pretty much every one of his opponents has stepped in fearing being hit by his body punches. The technique he uses on them is incredible, sort of twists his arm in a really unorthodox way and delivers maximum power. He's as dangerous a fighter as there has been in my time following boxing and without a doubt one of the most avoided.

Andre Ward is tremendously underrated though, like you say. An unbelievably talented boxer but with the sportsmanship appeal of Ed Miliband. A fighter of his calibre wouldn't even have to do too much to become a marketing machine, but SOG just goes about things in his own way and will likely retire with a perfect albeit underwhelmingly boring record.
 
Arbitrium said:
I think GGG's rating is fair on most accounts. Pretty much every one of his opponents has stepped in fearing being hit by his body punches. The technique he uses on them is incredible, sort of twists his arm in a really unorthodox way and delivers maximum power. He's as dangerous a fighter as there has been in my time following boxing and without a doubt one of the most avoided.

Andre Ward is tremendously underrated though, like you say. An unbelievably talented boxer but with the sportsmanship appeal of Ed Miliband. A fighter of his calibre wouldn't even have to do too much to become a marketing machine, but SOG just goes about things in his own way and will likely retire with a perfect albeit underwhelmingly boring record.
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GGG has no defence or head movement and relies on his power and the intimidation factor that comes along with it. He hardly has a CV full of great opponents, so that '0' of his isn't special, in my eyes. I thought Brook really exposed all of his flaws, and that the weight differential between them was the defining factor in the fight. GGG could have also gone up a division if he was the monster he is suggested to be who can't get fights in his own division, but he wisely opted not to do that. I don't have anything against him, which is why I've not said a bad word about him in this thread, but it is quite something to see how highly rated he is. Canelo is going to give him more to think about in there than he has had to previously because he has more power than Brook and may actually drop him when he connects. He certainly needs to do more to prove himself worthy of the ratings he has, imo.

Yea, Ward has a lot of marks against him in terms of charisma and appeal, but as a boxer, he is superb, and it's bemusing to see him de-merited for everything but his boxing.
 
Fortitude said:
GGG has no defence or head movement and relies on his power and the intimidation factor that comes along with it. He hardly has a CV full of great opponents, so that '0' of his isn't special, in my eyes. I thought Brook really exposed all of his flaws, and that the weight differential between them was the defining factor in the fight. GGG could have also gone up a division if he was the monster he is suggested to be who can't get fights in his own division, but he wisely opted not to do that. I don't have anything against him, which is why I've not said a bad word about him in this thread, but it is quite something to see how highly rated he is. Canelo is going to give him more to think about in there than he has had to previously because he has more power than Brook and may actually drop him when he connects. He certainly needs to do more to prove himself worthy of the ratings he has, imo.

Yea, Ward has a lot of marks against him in terms of charisma and appeal, but as a boxer, he is superb, and it's bemusing to see him de-merited for everything but his boxing.
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The brook fight is a non point really, he should never have stepped up that much. He didn't really expose anything, just hit him with a few good combinations but GGG felt his power and decided he wasn't going to be troubled. If you watch that fight back the gap gets bigger everu time, fight should never have been made and he almost suffered irreparable damage from it.

His head movement is just a byproduct of being able to walk through things but he has demonstrated good boxing IQ in a lot of his fights. Ultimately boxing is about punching the other person harder and more consistently and he's the best in the division at it.
 
Arbitrium said:
The brook fight is a non point really, he should never have stepped up that much. He didn't really expose anything, just hit him with a few good combinations but GGG felt his power and decided he wasn't going to be troubled. If you watch that fight back the gap gets bigger everu time, fight should never have been made and he almost suffered irreparable damage from it.

His head movement is just a byproduct of being able to walk through things but he has demonstrated good boxing IQ in a lot of his fights. Ultimately boxing is about punching the other person harder and more consistently and he's the best in the division at it.
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Don't agree that he opted to take all those shots. A lot of them were with him reaping no dividends whatsoever, so certainly not tactical or for him to take some to land his own. Brook just didn't have the weight or power to put the finishers on the hits. Think it remains to be seen how good GGG is his own division, too. Canelo will be his first genuine threat.

I would say his inability to move his head will be his downfall when he meets a better class of boxer. And again, Brook got in and out enough times to suggest an equally skilled boxer with more power could put GGG to bed. There's a certain mythos revolving around his power, but being the hardest hitter doesn't mean much if you don't land. I'm just unconvinced by his CV. Him fighting the likes of Canelo will be intriguing.
 
Those Mexican women in the front rows. :drool:
Damn fight blocking the view!

Thought Canelo looked a wee bit twitchy next to Golovkin, who looked like the boss of the two standing there in the ring - GGG just exudes confidence. Can't wait.
 
This is an absolute pick'em.

If Golovkin's smart, he'll fight the 12 rounds behind his jab and keep Canelo at range. If he goes search and destroy, he's going to walk into Canelo's counters, but strengthens his chances for a stoppage as he holds power in both hands. I'm hoping the latter happens as that will make for a classic, sort of like Toney vs Jirov all over again. Both guys have amazing chins too.
 
I'd massively guess Golovkins true reasoning for not going up is the hype train for this fight, once you start that move up, you don't come back down really, and this has been the money fight ever since he's truly been a big name. I assume he goes up after it....possibly Eubank Jr as he's moved himself too, so would make sense there.

Next money fight would be working his way towards Andre Ward somehow should they both win, which obviously is no way near a guarantee, I wouldn't want to predict of their upcoming fights really, and again that would require Ward likely coming down a bit which goes against what I said above, lot of manoeuvring to make it happen.
 
RedFish said:
Those Mexican women in the front rows. :drool:
Damn fight blocking the view!

Thought Canelo looked a wee bit twitchy next to Golovkin, who looked like the boss of the two standing there in the ring - GGG just exudes confidence. Can't wait.
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Golovkin has absolutely no reason to fear or stand down at the moment, so it's fair he exudes confidence. To his mind, he has a perfect record and not a single opponent who could take what he dishes out. Canelo is quite an odd guy at the best of times. Has a weird demeanour to him that's hard to read.
Zen said:
I'd massively guess Golovkins true reasoning for not going up is the hype train for this fight, once you start that move up, you don't come back down really, and this has been the money fight ever since he's truly been a big name. I assume he goes up after it....possibly Eubank Jr as he's moved himself too, so would make sense there.

Next money fight would be working his way towards Andre Ward somehow should they both win, which obviously is no way near a guarantee, I wouldn't want to predict of their upcoming fights really, and again that would require Ward likely coming down a bit which goes against what I said above, lot of manoeuvring to make it happen.
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Fair points all round. Would be extremely impressed with him if that was his plan. Beating Canelo and then going up would be quite something.
 
@Fortitude it's not overrating of GGG in my opinion as much as Canelo just doesn't have the right tools

Style make fights and Canelo doesn't have the right style to beat GGG imho

Jacobs for example, i think he'd beat GGG in a rematch. Only reason he lost is that he fought stupidly for the first 6 rounds
 
giorno said:
@Fortitude it's not overrating of GGG in my opinion as much as Canelo just doesn't have the right tools

Style make fights and Canelo doesn't have the right style to beat GGG imho

Jacobs for example, i think he'd beat GGG in a rematch. Only reason he lost is that he fought stupidly for the first 6 rounds
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What makes you say Canelo doesn't have the right tools to fight GGG?
Canelo has much, much faster hands than GGG and has the potential to beat him to the punch if he has the nerve to stay in range for open exchanges. He also works his angles well, which can cause someone like GGG problems. I won't go as far as to say triple G is a plodder, but he does have the penchant of sitting down on his haunches to try and land his bigger shots, and that combined with zero head movement and an open guard will give Canelo a lot of chances to work, if he is brave enough. I don't think Canelo will fear GGG, which changes the fight a bit.
 
I think Canelo isn't fast enough, strong enough, big enough and skilled enough to keep GGG from hitting him. I think GGG can and will walk through Canelo's punches in the early rounds. And once he's hurt, Canelo doesn't have the size, reach and speed to box GGG from the outside and keep him off him to survive

Either GGG wins by stoppage within 7, or Canelo will either stop him late or win a close decision

Right now i'd say 55% GGG win, 45% Canelo
 
Mad. From your first paragraph I'd say you're giving Canelo about 5% until you said 45%.

I'm not sure where I lean on it, it's definitely 55/45 in GGG's or 60/40 but that's nothing really, we don't know how Canelo will feel those natural middle punches will obviously GGG is going to hit him with at times however well he fancies himself to down around them. I do think the sport would likely flourish more from a GGG win though, especially if he does have long game in mind to fight Ward.....If Kovalev wins their rematch, I think it's a bit mute, no way Canelo goes up to him. I'm not overly sure what or where Canelo post GGG....the people GGG has beaten?

Some proper fights this year, really enjoying this renaissance, just the boxers need to deliver, because the fights are getting put together now.
 
giorno said:
I think Canelo isn't fast enough, strong enough, big enough and skilled enough to keep GGG from hitting him. I think GGG can and will walk through Canelo's punches in the early rounds. And once he's hurt, Canelo doesn't have the size, reach and speed to box GGG from the outside and keep him off him to survive

Either GGG wins by stoppage within 7, or Canelo will either stop him late or win a close decision

Right now i'd say 55% GGG win, 45% Canelo
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Agree on this part. Only I rate Golovkin chances much more. Canelo win, as much as he is a great fighter, would be a surprise for me.
 
A lot of the Golovkin picks are based on the Triple G prior to Brook. If he fights anything like he did in these last two bouts he loses which is annoying as I feel Oscar and Canelo have waited until GGG has slowed down before taking the fight.

Canelo has the power to get GGG's attention so I don't think he'll beat eating the shots like we've seen before but he doesn't have the movement of a Jacobs for the fight to play out like that one did. They will meet, each try take centre ring and trade which is exciting as we've never really seen either hurt yet both carry power
 
CLK_FPC said:
A lot of the Golovkin picks are based on the Triple G prior to Brook. If he fights anything like he did in these last two bouts he loses which is annoying as I feel Oscar and Canelo have waited until GGG has slowed down before taking the fight.

Canelo has the power to get GGG's attention so I don't think he'll beat eating the shots like we've seen before but he doesn't have the movement of a Jacobs for the fight to play out like that one did. They will meet, each try take centre ring and trade which is exciting as we've never really seen either hurt yet both carry power
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YEah I think timing wise it's perfect for Canelo. GGG is still unbeaten and still looks good but he's nowhere near the level he was a few years ago. If Canelo wins they can still spin it as a "prime GGG" but in reality he looked nothing like that in the fight vs. Brook or Jacobs. Still looking forward to it though.
 
A few years ago, Canelo was rebounding from his Floyd loss.....this fight was barely on the radar, maybe it should of been done 18 months ago, but then, Canelo wasn't truly beefed into MW at that point either so it massively favoured GGG, it's the best time all round really, maybe, at an absolute push, it'll be 5 months late and it should of been last weekend. The Khan/Brook stuff sold this fight over here, which is good really, the market is now massive here.

Man, Floyd-Canelo feels so much longer back than 4 years. Not even sure why.
 
Golovkin will have that jab in Canelo's face all night. Canelo will be able to land some counters to stop GGG going all in for the KO, but the way he cuts the ring off and his punch selection will also have Canelo picking shots wisely. He's not going to get off enough to win enough rounds and I think his shot is to win by a perfect counter punch KO. GGG has a great chin. I see an entertaining fight for the most part and some tasty exchanges, but ultimately GGG will be the boss in there and may force the late stoppage or a 117-111 type decision.

Hope it's in Vegas. I'll go to that for sure.
 
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