The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Zarlak said:
You're picking one fight out of his entire career and disregarding everything else. It's like watching Heskey do step overs and saying he schooled the football world. Being great once doesn't nullify everything else you ever did.
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Indeed. Klitschko totally underestimated Fury and payed for it. But it was an one off. It is like judging Buster Douglas based on him match against Tyson, or judging Hasim Rahman/Oliver McCall based on his match against Lewis.

In fact McCall might be a very good comparison. Both McCall and Fury had the match of their life while Lewis and Klitschko had the worst match of their lives. And then both McCall and Fury suffered depression after that and never came back as strong.
 
Fury's reach, awkwardness and movement will pose a serious threat to Joshua. Hope Joshua will learn from tonight's W and don't let it get into his head.
 
Lemme just say how refreshing it is not having to get up late in the morning to watch a proper boxing event! Amen for that and long may it continue!
 
Fracture90 said:
So you're saying Fury won by luck and not his brilliant performance? When you completely shut down Klitchko who's known for his devastating KO's, movement and technique, trust me that has nothing to do with luck.

I understand from your comments that you really despise Fury therefore I wish not to enter any discussion, would be pointless.
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No, I'm saying that when you evaluate somebodies ability, you look at their entire career, not the one time that their performance suits your agenda. To be impartial you would say 'okay he was great that night, no doubt, that night he was really great. But if that's truly who he is, and how we would expect him to turn up against Joshua, then it stands to reason that every one of his fights would be like that'. It's stretching it to say that somebody who pulled that performance out of his arse once, will conceivably default back to it every time. That just flat out doesn't make sense and anybody who isn't biased should be able to recognise that that's fair.
 
Fracture90 said:
Fury's reach, awkwardness and movement will pose a serious threat to Joshua. Hope Joshua will learn from tonight's W and don't let it get into his head.
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I hope that cnut never comes back. No one cares about him. AJ v Wilder is the fight everyone wants to see.
 
Jippy said:
Agree for a bunch of rounds, but not the knockdown round.
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Honestly, i'm conflicted about that round and the 4th. Every other round was pretty easy to score for me
 
BAMSOLA said:
Yep, but a 41 year old Vlad who put him down once and was up on the cards before the KO. The movement troubled him all fight and despite Fury's size and conditioning he is a good mover around the ring with arguably a better jab then Vlad. Fury can move and dictate a fight off the back foot better than most of the current new generation of heavyweights.

I would at this stage make Fury the slight favorite if they met.
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No he wasn't, he was up on one and down by three on the other two, so points wise was he comfortably ahead.

Joshua got this fight all wrong and still won. This against a far more focused and determined Wlad than the one Fury fought.
 
Fracture90 said:
Lemme just say how refreshing it is not having to get up late in the morning to watch a proper boxing event! Amen for that and long may it continue!
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Agree on that. We need Wembley to be the new Vegas/MSG
 
Raoul said:
I hope that cnut never comes back. No one cares about him. AJ v Wilder is the fight everyone wants to see.
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He's positing some updates daily now, has some blog of him back to training. I reckon he'll be back in the ring by the end of the year, have a tuneup fight and that go against winner of Joshua - Wilder.

I really don't rate Wilder tbh.
 
Claymore said:
Joshua beats a 41 year old man at Wembley with Eddie Hearn setting it all up, and lets be honest we all thought, during the fight, that Wlad was on with a chance of winning it. Fury and possibly even Alabama WBC boy or even Haye if he can ever stop being Darren Anderon or Owen Hargreaves, will own him. Can't wait.

Tonight I was jumping up and down when Wlad put him down on his arse in London. These Gary Cornish, Martins, Brazileessesssess just didn't measure up to the hype. A 35 year old Wlad or any year old Vitali puts AJ away. Tyson Fury owns them all.
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:lol::wenger:
 
Claymore said:
Joshua beats a 41 year old man at Wembley with Eddie Hearn setting it all up, and lets be honest we all thought, during the fight, that Wlad was on with a chance of winning it. Fury and possibly even Alabama WBC boy or even Haye if he can ever stop being Darren Anderon or Owen Hargreaves, will own him. Can't wait.

Tonight I was jumping up and down when Wlad put him down on his arse in London. These Gary Cornish, Martins, Brazileessesssess just didn't measure up to the hype. A 35 year old Wlad or any year old Vitali puts AJ away. Tyson Fury owns them all.
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Don't be ridiculous. Haye doesn't even know how to put his guard up. Joshua sends him to sleep any time he wants.

Wilder is the closest who can beat Joshua, but I would favorize Joshua. Fury nope. Haye, just stop..
 
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DWelbz19 said:
Have you seen the improvement, though? The glaring weakness of being as stiff as a board was as prevalent in this fight as all of his previous.
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Yeah, thought he recovered pretty well being up against a pretty experienced boxer in Wlad. Against Whyte he lacked rhytm as soon as he was hurt in the 2nd and he was rattled in the next couple of rounds. Tonight I think he kept it going and found his rhythm quicker against a better boxer. I think he'll iron out his technique and he has the base for it, he's not just a power puncher.
 
ivaldo said:
Joshua got this fight all wrong and still won. This against a far more focused and determined Wlad than the one Fury fought.
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Don't think Joshua got the fight wrong. He just made one mistake when he had Wlad out on his feet, ate a right flush to the chin and nearly got stopped as a result. Spent rounds 7 and 8 to recover, then went back to controlling the fight and finished it in style, too
 
giorno said:
Don't think Joshua got the fight wrong. He just made one mistake when he had Wlad out on his feet, ate a right flush to the chin and nearly got stopped as a result. Spent rounds 7 and 8 to recover, then went back to controlling the fight and finished it in style, too
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Yup. When he had Wlad hurt later he was much more composed in finishing him. That impressed me. Learning actually in a fight isn't something many fighters do.
 
Should just rename the thread to Claymore goes into meltdown at this point :lol:
 
Raoul said:
I hope that cnut never comes back. No one cares about him. AJ v Wilder is the fight everyone wants to see.
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I'm not sure of Wilder tbh. He played quite a few bums and his level is a bit of a question mark. I'd rather see AJ with Povetkin next.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I'm not sure of Wilder tbh. He played quite a few bums and his level is a bit of a question mark. I'd rather see AJ with Povetkin next.
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Really ? I don't think AJ would have much interested in Povetkin at this point. AJ v Wilder is the epic superfight everyone on both sides of the pond will want to see. Fury is pretty uninteresting at this point.
 
ivaldo said:
No he wasn't, he was up on one and down by three on the other two, so points wise was he comfortably ahead.

Joshua got this fight all wrong and still won. This against a far more focused and determined Wlad than the one Fury fought.
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Those card are wrong if that's the case, and yes Joshua got the fight wrong but God only knows why as anybody who witnessed Vlad training over the last few weeks could see he was training for much more movement than we'd seen from him for quite sometime. I like Joshua (I've previously spoken up for him in this thread) however I'd still make Fury the slight favorite if they met.
 
giorno said:
Don't think Joshua got the fight wrong. He just made one mistake when he had Wlad out on his feet, ate a right flush to the chin and nearly got stopped as a result. Spent rounds 7 and 8 to recover, then went back to controlling the fight and finished it in style, too
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Came in too heavy and overcommited. He wont make the same mistake again.
 
Well that was only bloody brilliant! Felt like I was watching a movie to be honest! Klitschko taking that uppercut and keeping his feet was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in boxing.
 
Raoul said:
Really ? I don't think AJ would have much interested in Povetkin at this point. AJ v Wilder is the epic superfight everyone on both sides of the pond will want to see. Fury is pretty uninteresting at this point.
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Yeah for AJ fight with Wilder will be better - more sponsors, more money. Povetkin would be a great match as his technique is right up there with the best and can take a hit.
 
BAMSOLA said:
Those card are wrong if that's the case, and yes Joshua got the fight wrong but God only knows why as anybody who witnessed Vlad training over the last few weeks could see he was training for much more movement than we'd seen from him for quite sometime. I like Joshua (I've previously spoken up for him in this thread) however I'd still make Fury the slight favorite if they met.
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Not suprised he was ahead, completely controlled the first half of the fight.

He thought he could walk through him. And he almost did. If he would have caught Wlad with one more power shot after the first knockdown he would've ended it and we would be talking about how well he managed it. Unfortunately he overcommited and got ahead of himself. Helluva fight as a result though!
 
Joshua vs Povetkin would be a bit like this, but with Povetkin not as good as Klitschko, and Joshua improving. A good fight against a technical boxer, but he can just take the rematch with Klitschko and get richer in the process.

Joshua-Fury and then Joshua-Wilder is what all want to see.
 
It would be a hell of a fight. Basically two fighters who have never lost and have KO'd all their opponents (spare one or two on Wilder's part).
 
giorno said:
So's Wlad. AJ survived his best shots. Don't see why he couldn't survive DW's
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I think Wilder has the biggest single shot in the division. He has poor balance and is there to be taken out a lot of time though.

Is boxing big in Spain? You hardly see any Spanish fighters or Southern European fighters full stop.
 
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