It's got to be the camera, he seems a bubbly lad but he seemed to be struggling to put a sentence together with Caldwell and Bellew.
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It's got to be the camera, he seems a bubbly lad but he seemed to be struggling to put a sentence together with Caldwell and Bellew.
Not only the camera, the guy recording the conversation on his phone, Wayne was well within his rights to tell him to piss off.
What's the point? It's clear Haye had no chance of knocking him out, he couldn't generate any power. The only thing that was going to happen was Haye was going to cause further damage to himself. The corner gave some time to see if Haye cpuld adjust with the strapping to see the fight out but threw the towel in when they had seen enough.
It's laughable to be honest to call it a fix. If it is then Haye deserves a fecking Oscar.
And all this talk of the towel going in too quick and it being a fix is ridiculous, it's just fantasist bullshit, the ref was already at 8
It's the iFL YouTube channel that recorded it rather than a randomer with his phone. They record most backstage footage at fights so wasn't really targeting Wayne or anything, in fairness.
Yh that's what I mean. I don't think it is a fix in that the result was predetermined but I think both parties knew Haye was, at the very least, slightly injured/at risk of serious injury.
Thinking about it with hindsight there is something that doesn't add up for me:
a) Bellew never really went after the Germany rumour. Given how much he had been baiting Haye about injuries, surely that would have been a golden opportunity to lay into him at the press conference.
b) Haye's camp dismissed it and no one ever really pushed them about it. A couple of the YouTube boxing streams guys asked and the question was sidestepped very quickly.
c) The Sky team all came out with the story that is was Haye starting mind games & had started the rumour himself. We all then don't question it - especially when Haye then says he is fine at the conference.
d) the odds on Haye winning actually got better post Germany visit. If you think about that it's crazy - the heavy favourite has to fly abroad to see a specialist in Germany for something injury related and he is even more likely to win??
Bellew is insane for wanting to fight Wilder. Beating a hobbled David Haye is one thing, beating a champ in his prime is another.
Tbf, I'd rather Wilder fight Bellew than take the fecking Stiverne rematch.
This is where Hearn shows his inexperience and stupidity. He knows Haye was leading the fight 4-1 up on rounds despite rumors of an achillies tendon injury way before the fight, so he was beating Bellew slightly injured, then full on snaps it round 6 and still makes it till near the end of the fight. Yes it turn the fight on its head round 6 but the worrying thing was for Hearn and his scouser man is that not all of the 5 rounds Haye was on the ropes backing off all of a sudden. Odd parts he was coming forward again and throwing punches at Bellew.
Hearn then says go after Wilder and Parker, Parker he could beat, especially in England but Wilder no chance. This is very dangerous from Hearn. If he beat Haye without the majory gift/turning point then fair enough. Bellew is in for a shock if he fights Wilder or rematchs a fit Haye (if that's actually possible).
Nice to see Garcia get beat, just for his mouthy dad, who's a the attention seeking level of Eubank's dad with foul mouth thrown in.
Wayne's not within his rights to do anything. He's in Bellews dressing room with him and Eddie Hearn, Cugan Cass is and always has been a big part of that. Its not nice being filmed if you don't want to be, and in this day and age people are obsessed with cameras, selfies and being narcissists, they have to film everything, even got cyclists with cameras strapped to their heads now FFS, filming all the public and streets, but Rooney has no rights here. He either gets over his nervousness or gets the 'f outta there and doesn't get to talk to his mate.
Hearn is just looking to cash out on Bellew now IMO, and fights versus the big-name heavyweights are where the money is.
Well i got it wrong, i honestly thought Haye would steam through him. He needed the early stoppage but i think we can all see now he was injured going in would have looked a mug for pulling out so late and that's maybe why he was posturing in the first few rounds when he's normally got them out of sight by then. It was farcical though he was dragging his leg around the ring and the ref/doctors should have pulled the fight right away. It's really weird because Haye probably comes out of this whole thing with more credit for losing like he did than if he had sparked Bellew out cold in the first round. Any decent Heavyweight would have finished him way earlier (broken hand or not) so it's hard to really applaud Bellew other than to say he won a fight no one thought he would and its a W on his record no one thought he would have.
I really hope Haye retires he's had a great career and i hope pride doesnt mean he will attempt a come back or ask for a rematch just so he can finish on a W.
I really hope Haye retires he's had a great career and i hope pride doesnt mean he will attempt a come back or ask for a rematch just so he can finish on a W.
Given all the fights he has ducked out of with injuries in his career and toegate he had little choice but to fight and not complain about the injury afterwards.
Judging by the way Bellew was talking I don't think his hearts in it anymore anyway, he may take a big money fight with Wilder but I think he's all set for retirement.
Guilty
He's always been one to say he only does it to feed his family and so his kids have a good future so wouldn't really blame him for that.
My guess would be he rematches Haye and retires probably.
The post match interviews and how everyone just ignored the injury was fecking embarrassing.
Everyone going on like he won this battle etc. I will give Bellew credit for schooling Haye in the first round, he came out boxing and looked the better fighter for the first 2 rounds. Haye came out like he was trying to take his head off and looked stupid!
You can clearly see Haye going back to basics in the 3rd round and starts winning the fight. If it weren't for the injury, Haye would have won on points...which in itself is embarrassing for Haye.
Everyone going on like he won this battle etc. I will give Bellew credit for schooling Haye in the first round, he came out boxing and looked the better fighter for the first 2 rounds. Haye came out like he was trying to take his head off and looked stupid!
You can clearly see Haye going back to basics in the 3rd round and starts winning the fight. If it weren't for the injury, Haye would have won on points...which in itself is embarrassing for Haye.
So apparently Haye walked away with £4.2m and Bellew got £2.8m. Haye came back after years and without proving he had any ability left whatsoever he got himself a fight worth over £4 million. Shrewd.
i think the rematch will happen too and net both of them similar figures for a fight which is pretty underwhelming in the grand scheme of the sport
shrewd indeed
Who's your source?
Apparently it will take Haye a full year to recover from the injury so it should really be curtains for him although a rematch would still gather interest and money so it's always possible.
He is only 36, not that old in boxing terms.
What's the point of a rematch! Fans should not want this, they surely can't sell this whole build up of hating each other and Haye saying he's going to smash his head in when he clearly can't. Or Bellew saying his he has power of his own when he basically had free reign for the last 3 rounds and barely managed any damaging shots, Haye just fell over.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/david-haye-pocket-14m-more-9973518
I don't think there is a rematch on the cards, Bellew also said it'd take something special to stop him from retiring.
I know but on the back of being out for 3 years with the shoulder reconstruction, his body must be absolutely fecked now. Especially after fighting on for 6 rounds with the ruptured achilles.
In fairness, there are grounds for a rematch. Who would have won the fight if it wasn't for the injury? Hard to say with any confidence.
Makes me laugh when people get annoyed about heated build ups etc. Do you not realise at the time it's mostly for hype?
I do think Haye should retire. Even without the injury you could see he has lost a bit of his speed, agility and explosiveness and that's what he lived on. It's ok for an already slow intelligent technical boxer like Wlad Klitchko to fight on to later years as they don't rely on speed but Haye does.
I've seen on twitter that apparently Carl Froch was on Sky Sports earlier saying he spoke to Haye and he wants the rematch. Haven't seen it myself. I think Haye wins the rematch but is there much point in risking more injuries to beat an average fighter in Tony Bellew. Haye wants the Joshua fight but after Saturday I realised he isn't good enough to win that fight anymore.
Fair point. He does seem to be especially injury prone for a boxer.
Sounds like he's adamant on returning so Haye's not listening to my advice.
So much money to be made if he can get past Bellew a second time and then land the AJ fight - who might even be in search of a big fight in 12-18 months as there are only a handful of big ones currently.
Basically equates to "David Haye would love to get paid again, despite the injuries he has had in is career he would love to get in the ring and take home another £4m fighting bang average boxers"
As long as he is mentally stable and in a good place, great news.
Should've stayed retired.
Can't see it happening personally. Either he doesn't make the fight or he tweets something else in the next few hours/days completely contradicting that tweet.
His dealer needs paying then.
Not really mate, he's only had like 30 fights, most of them stopped early, when you compared to Bellew his done much less rounds at the same age. He's had 3 years out with a shoulder yes, but he's been not beaten up in the ring in that time. Froch always used to say, he was young in boxing terms as he started late, and that was someone who was in constant wars. Haye fights smarter.
I can say with confidence what would have happened, Haye would have won on points MD at the very least. I mean he was 4-1 up by round 6 when it snapped, and that is ALREADY injured, looking slower and swinging like made to get it over before he blew. Clearly Haye new this. All the words before the fight from IFL, Hearne, Bellew, rumors was that he was injured, not only that, but the same body part, funny that. Then the trip to Germany to see his doctor. As said, Haye would have won on points, I think we call all say that, he may even have KO'd him still despite been injured before round 6. After the snap it all changed clear for all to see. Bellew suddenly coming forward.
A fit Haye with no niggle injury, and no later on snap, ends Bellew, which is, lets be honest, what we all thought before the fight. People are bizarre on here, and other forums or Youtube saying Haye wouldn't take Wilder, Joshua all of a sudden, yeah he probably would, but he was injured here, twice lol.
I think we're all annoyed with this fight, we'll have to see it pan out but the way Haye said several times about rematch in the ring says to me he knows he can, and wants, to knock out Bellew. It doesn't look like someone who won't be back. I think he really wants to be at the top, don't buy Fury or Bellews comments about being broke either, he made £5m or so off Chisora and even more from Klitchko.
I think he's sat out the 3 years and seen the buzz about the HW division after what Fury did, with Wilder, Joshua as well and wants a piece. His injuries though need sorting, he had a pull out v Fury with a cut, then again because of shoulder, now this achillies. I don't know if you want to count the toe but that is 4. Bellew needs knocking out though.
Nice to see Hearn post up on twitter in response to fans, the BBBof control judges cards at round 11, all 96-93 to Bellew, so not bad considering Haye wasted 5 rounds injured. Pauli and Froch both had Haye 4 up prior to round 6.
Fury needs to be back, but needs to stop going to the shops buying bags of junk food. Did you see that carrier bag he was photo'd with, full of sweets lol. Like he said, fatman. He is the HW Ricky Hatton. Sort it out Tyson, there's plenty of time to laze on the sofa at 35.
I was not talking rounds in the bank or punishment taken, I was purely taking from a physical POV. Haye has had all in the injuries you have mentioned so there is no doubt his body would be under question in his next proper fight as well.
My view is also that Haye wins the fight without the injury but no one can say for certain (I should have used this word in the first place) and that's why a rematch could happen.
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