The RedCafe Boxing Thread

I've pretty much lost interest in the Super Six. The amount of time between bouts has killed it for me. That said, if you care to furnish my inbox with a link to Green/Ward in the morning, I will be most grateful. :)

Anyway, I expect Ward to outpoint The Colon Kid.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I've pretty much lost interest in the Super Six. The amount of time between bouts has killed it for me. That said, if you care to furnish my inbox with a link to Green/Ward in the morning, I will be most grateful. :)

Anyway, I expect Ward to outpoint The Colon Kid.
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Made the exact same point on the Leave It In The Ring Podcast about time between the fights.

Can't find a decent stream so I may just wait until tomorrow. When I wake up if there's a link about I'll pass it over
 
I see Fury has weighed in at 270 for tonight's rematch with McDermott. :lol:

I hope he loses, McDermott was robbed in the first fight.
 
Did well, something looked wrong with him and overcame what was later revealed as ahand injury to win by ko.

Chavez vs Duddy tonight and Omar Henry fighting as well should be good
 
Duddy took a vicious beating. Chavez Jr's mediocre power and Duddy's massive heart is the only reason he made it as far as the final bell. There's not much left for him now. Cash out with a few more fights if needs be then get out of there with his health intact. He's only going to get hurt if he seriously tries to work his way back into title shot contention imo. I say that as a fan of his too.
 
Pacquiao-Mayweather agree to terms on fight

Representatives for Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather have agreed to terms on a megafight, Top Rank promoter Bob Arum told SI.com on Wednesday. The deal still needs to be approved by Mayweather.

Arum did not disclose terms of the deal, which is expected to be a 50-50 split and include some form of drug testing. The fight is scheduled for Nov. 13 at a location to be determined. Las Vegas and Dallas are considered the favorites to land the fight.

Arum told SI.com that Mayweather has until mid-July to make a decision.

"This really depends, as I see it, on whether Mayweather wants to fight [Pacquiao]" Arum said. "By mid-July, he's either in or out. We're not going to wait forever. We're going to have a fight on Nov. 13 and we would love it to be Mayweather."

Arum said that if Mayweather passed on the fight, they could still make a deal under the negotiated terms next year.

"Nobody is under any obligation to fight this year," Arum said. "He may need more time. When he is ready, we are prepared to do the fight."

Possible alternative opponents for Pacquiao are Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito.
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Upto Mayweather to make this super-fight happen, it seems Pacman has agreed to the drug-testing demands, so there appear to be no excuses for Floyd now.
 
"he's either in or out, we're not going to wait forever"

"he may need more time, when he's ready we are prepared to do the fight"

Make your mind up!! Besides wasn't there stories a while ago that Pac had agreed to Mayweathers drugs terms only for them to be quickly denied?
 
I like Bradley, he should win. Judah, on the other hand, I am not a fan of to say the least. :lol:

God bless King Kostya.
 
Zab just rocked his world with that uppercut. Never really got out of neutral though.

On the other hand having seen Sadaam Ali on TV rather than YouTube I am fecking impressed going to be a problem
 
The deadline has passed for the proposed Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, with no response from Floyd. Arum (Pacquiao's promoter) has said the deadline's passed but if Floyd wants to fight, Manny is ready to accept it.

Before Floyd had the excuse Manny didn't agree to the drug testing, but now he has agreed to all Mayweather's conditions, what's Floyd's problem by not making a decision? It's the fight everyone wants to see, but Floyd seems more concerned about his undefeated record, than fighting to see who really is pound-for-pound king.
 
Has anybody seen Abregu fight before? Has a good record and I've read that he's a legitimately big puncher but David Estrada's about the only name I recognise off his record. Looks like a good fight on paper though. Bradley always entertains and it'll be interesting to see how he copes up at welterweight. Wouldn't surprise me if he's doing this with one eye on staying at welter for a fight with Pac of Floyd further down the line.
 
Floyd Mayweather JrJed Jacobsohn/Getty ImagesHis own man: Floyd Mayweather always plays by the rules -- his rules.

Some things that could be stated without hesitation about Floyd Mayweather, even before he allowed Bob Arum's deadline to pass at 3 a.m. ET Saturday, placing the possibility of a fight with Manny Pacquiao once more in serious doubt:

• He is a phenomenal boxer, a generational talent who displays artistry in the ring that almost demands admiration.

• However high someone else's opinion might be of his ability and his place in the historical firmament, it is unlikely to be quite as high as his own.

• He is, most assuredly, his own man.

If it is the first point that has gathered him legions of fans, and the second that has helped generate an approximately equal army of detractors, it is the third point that is almost certainly most relevant as we look anew on what appear to be, for the second time in eight months, the charred embers of what had promised to be the richest fight in boxing history.

Mayweather has earned millions upon millions of dollars, not solely through pugilistic brilliance but by applying a single-minded focus to his career, in the ring and out of it. He speaks of the fact that he is his own boss almost as frequently as he mentions his undefeated record. To Mayweather, it is a matter of immense pride and satisfaction that he marches to the beat of his own drum, that he takes orders from no one.

Floyd Mayweather, in other words, doesn't do deadlines. Not other people's deadlines, at least.

There was always the slight suspicion when Top Rank declared some months back that Pacquiao would be fighting Nov. 13, be it against Mayweather or some other foe, that the Pretty Boy's nose would slip a little out of joint. Once Arum began speaking publicly of deadlines, the likelihood of Mayweather meeting a cutoff date that was presumably not of his choosing seemed increasingly improbable.

Arum has handled this skillfully. He is, of course, within his rights to insist upon a deadline -- Pacquiao has an especially convoluted schedule, and a major fight needs time to be developed and promoted. Plus, the immediate futures of a good many other boxers in the welterweight and junior middleweight divisions are contingent on the Pacquiao-Mayweather situation reaching resolution.

Once he was convinced that Mayweather would not sign on time, Arum got out in front of the story, placing a countdown clock on the Top Rank website and hosting a conference call in the middle of the night to make it perfectly clear that it was Mayweather's side, not his, that was responsible for the fight falling through.

At the same time, Arum remained careful to leave the door open, either for a last-minute reversal of fortune or a third round of negotiations for 2011. He treaded carefully so as not to impugn Mayweather's reputation or question his motives.

If the fight is indeed about to fall by the wayside again, Mayweather will almost certainly take the great majority of the criticism for it, and -- if he has indeed been negotiating, and agreeing to, the finer points of the agreement, only to step inside a cone of silence -- deservedly so.

The irony is that some of that criticism may be stunted by Arum's expressions of understanding, however heartfelt they may be. While the proximate cause of negotiations collapsing last year was Mayweather's insistence on random drug testing and Pacquiao's opposition to it, that was just the match that lit the fuel of mutual loathing between the promoter and his erstwhile charge. The resultant explosion scattered shrapnel in the form of recriminations, accusations and even a lawsuit.

So far at least, that hasn't happened this time. Cold-hearted business calculus has replaced hot-headed animus. Who knows if any of the proposed reasons for Mayweather balking -- uncle Roger Mayweather Jr.'s legal issues [Roger serves as Floyd's trainer], the lack of desire for a second fight in 2010 after the massive windfall from the destruction of Shane Mosley in May, a deep-rooted fear that maybe he is not quite the fighter he used to be -- are the correct ones? Perhaps, contrary to the prevailing wisdom, Mayweather simply wasn't happy with the contract's provisions. Maybe he just didn't want to be told what to sign and when to sign it.

Until he decides to explain his side of the story, it is all just speculation. And right now, he isn't talking.

It's possible that Mayweather will emerge from seclusion next week and the fight will be back on. Or perhaps he'll keep his head down. Maybe he'll announce he doesn't want to fight again before next year. Then, at some point, the drum beats will start again and we'll build, for a third time, to the possibility of a showdown between the planet's two best fighters.

By the time it finally happens -- if it ever does -- it is an open question whether fans' enthusiasm and excitement will be tempered by a skeptical weariness.

One thing seems certain: Whatever Mayweather ultimately does or does not agree to, it will be on his terms.

It's Floyd's way or no way - ESPN
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A little something from ESPN regarding the lapsed deadline....
 
Knew not everyone would come up smelling of roses last night and whilst Bradley, Angulo and Montiel did their job, Tua stunk up the place and got what appears to be a gift draw against boxing's walking dead Monte Barrett. Shame on him!
 
Looks like Mayweather Paqcuiao wont be happening November 11th, had a feeling that it wouldn't materialize. I think Mayweather is looking for excuses not to fight.
 
I think it has something to do with his Uncle Roger also his trainer will go on trial in Las Vegas in August on assault charges though I could be wrong Im sure heard it on the radio. If the fight takes place I think it happens in 2011.
 
The crowd almost rioted.

IBO cruiserweight champion Danny Green has vowed not to pay Paul Briggs a single penny after the outcome of their fight nearly caused a riot at Challenge Stadium in Perth, Western Australia. The fight was over before it began. Green barely hit Briggs with a shot to the head, and Briggs went down for the full count in only 29 seconds. Several replays showed the punch barely grazed the head of Briggs.

Fans were throwing objects into the ring. Briggs was showered with objects and beverages as he tried to make it back to the dressing room. Fans started loud chants of bullsh*t. Briggs was fighting for the first time in three years.

Green got on the mic and tried to calm the crowd down. He was very angry, telling the crowd he would make sure the purse of Briggs was withheld. Green said he felt like going to the dressing room of Briggs to throw him a deserved beating.

"Guys just chill out, no one's as pissed off as me, believe me," Green said. "There's not one more person in this room is more jacked than me. I can't say sorry enough for that person. He ain't even a canine. Paul Briggs ain't getting paid a cent. I don't blame each and every one of you guys in here for being filthy. I want to go to the change room right now and give him the flogging he deserves."

"I'm ... spewing and I can't say sorry enough for you guys. I will make it up to you guys. Thank you very much for coming out and supporting me. He ain't getting paid guys, I'm very sorry. I can't do anything more. I just can't say sorry enough. I don't know, I'm just flipping out right here."
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Hard to believe the same guy had two wars with Adamek at 175. He even dropped him.

Apparently, he is brain damaged. Not from this "fight", obviously.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Hard to believe the same guy had two wars with Adamek at 175. He even dropped him.

Apparently, he is brain damaged. Not from this "fight", obviously.
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Yeah, done some reading up on him and he had no business being in the ring in the first place. Green and the promoters aren't exactly blameless in this either.
 
Especially after the fight had to be moved from NSW to WA because the NSW authorities refused to let Briggs fight.
 
The fallout from the Danny Green-Paul Briggs clash is getting bigger by the hour. On Wednesday at Challenge Stadium in Perth, Western Australia, Green (30-3, 27KOs) retained his IBO cruiserweight title after stopping Paul Briggs (26-4) in 29-seconds of the first round. Green threw a jab that barely hit Briggs near the top of his head. Briggs stumbled for a few steps and fell for the full count. Several replays showed the punch barely touching the head of Briggs.

Fans the arena went wild and began to pelt Briggs in the ring and showered him with objects as he tried to make his way back to the dressing room. The Western Australian Professional Combat Sports Commission announced on Thursday that it plans to investigate the fight because of the numerous accusations that Briggs took a dive.

It was Briggs' first fight in over three years. There were rumors that he retired in 2007 due to neurological problems. The fight with Green had to be moved from Sydney to Perth after the New South Wales Sports Authority refused to sanction it out of concern for the health and welfare of Briggs.

Several betting outfits are refusing to pay numerous "last minute" bets until the investigation is finished. There were several big bets that were placed, at the late hour, for a first round and a second round knockout win for Green.

Briggs' trainer Billy Hussein told thewest.com.au late last night that his fighter was hospitalized after a doctor took a look at him at the hotel.

"The fight doctor came back to the hotel and checked him out and said it was for the best that he went to hospital," Hussein said. "Paul doesn't know what happened in there - he can't remember. I haven't got a clue what happened in there. I know Paul has had problems in the past but I'm speechless. He shouldn't have been in the ring with Danny Green - now people won't remember him as a great fighter, they'll just remember him for this."
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Roman Martinez V Ricky Burns is the main event in glasgow on sept 4th and i might be getting tickets. What do you boxing fans make of this upcoming WBO super-featherweight title bout?

The undercard looks decent too. £40 for the cheapest ticket and it'd be my first experience of live boxing so CLK, Lance and co what do you reckon? worth a go?
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Roman Martinez V Ricky Burns is the main event in glasgow on sept 4th and i might be getting tickets. What do you boxing fans make of this upcoming WBO super-featherweight title bout?

The undercard looks decent too. £40 for the cheapest ticket and it'd be my first experience of live boxing so CLK, Lance and co what do you reckon? worth a go?
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Definitely. I would always recommend taking in a live event, and experiencing the atmosphere. £40 doesn't seem unreasonable, any idea if you'll have a decent view?
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Definitely. I would always recommend taking in a live event, and experiencing the atmosphere. £40 doesn't seem unreasonable, any idea if you'll have a decent view?
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Should be, it's the kelvin hall in glasgow which is not a big venue. The last time it hosted a boxing event it held 2500 so maybe they'll make it more as it is a bigger fight but even then i can't see it being upwards of 3000 although i could be wrong.

It will also have Commonwealth featherweight champion John Simpson on the undercard in a title bout. I'm trying to find more info on it.
 
So, then, Pacquiao vs. Margarito... thoughts?

After the whole handwraps incident Margarito's very lucky to be involved in a fight like this again, but with them both being signed to Top Rank you could see it coming a mile off. At least it's a better option than a Cotto rematch.

Obviously it's not the fight everyone wanted to see. To be honest I'm starting to doubt that we'll ever even see Pac and Mayweather in the ring together, but this should at least be fun to watch. Both fighters love a tear up, both throw a shitload of punches - it's blatantly gonna make for some entertaining viewing.
 
Pac is apparently demanding the fight takes place at 150, with a title on the line. I have no problem with the catchweight, but in no way should a title be up for grabs. Complete bullshit, and it's the second time.
 
Am I right in thinking if Pacman wins this fight, he'll have won at 7 different weight classes, which will be a record??

The Mayweather camp are trying to find any possible excuse to delay this fight. In my opinion, if Floyd doesn't fight Pac, his legacy will be tainted. Manny wants the fight, the fans and pundits want the fight, its just that coward who refuses to put his unbeaten record on the line against someone who has a 50% chance of beating him.
 
Spot on article.

By Jake Donovan

Another event, another catch… weight, that is.

Nothing but disappointment and grumbling has been expressed in the wake of yet another failed attempt to match together Floyd Mayweather Jr and Manny Pacquiao, universally regarded as the two best fighters in the world today.

In a perfect world, a worthy alternative would be offered while at least pretending that something greater was waiting in the wings.

In today’s world, we get whatever promoters and networks elect to feed us.

Rather than a matchup to determine once and for all who is the best very best active fighter (and welterweight) in the world, we get a repeat of what we were already asked to pay for last year: Team Pacquiao inventing another weight class for the sake of chasing history.

From the moment promoter Bob Arum revealed in his after-hours conference call more than a week ago that the options for Pacquiao’s next opponent were limited to two of his own fighters, it was clear that the final choice would come down to the one more willing to bend over and take it however the Vegas-based promotional company wanted to give it to them.

Arum stated on the call that he was confident that a deal could be reached within 10 days, though also claiming that negotiations had never yet begun with either Miguel Cotto or Antonio Margarito – the two finalists in this year’s Pacquiao opposition sweepstakes.

The comment was peculiar considering that Pacquiao – for all of his charm, humility and in-ring greatness – has proven in recent years to be a bear to deal with at the negotiating table. Deals to face Cotto, Ricky Hatton and Oscar de la Hoya all dragged on until the last possible minute, with all three fights in limbo at one point or another before being finalized.

At the heart of most negotiating complications is money, but the deal struck with Cotto went well beyond that. The sales pitch for their November 2009 showdown was Pacquiao pursuing a title in a record seventh weight class, just months after having become the only fighter in boxing history to capture lineal world championships in four separate divisions.

The biggest hang-up most had with the manner in which he was gunning for Cotto’s title was his unwillingness to honor the actual welterweight limit. Cotto held his ground for as long as he could, demanding that the fight either takes place at 147 for his title, or at Pacquiao’s suggested catchweight of 145 lb, but without the alphabet hardware at stake.

With nobody looking out for his best interest (Arum promotes both sides but was never going to tell Pacquiao to back down), Cotto eventually gave in, accepting the payday that came with the fight and agreed to the catchweight and the title fight.

We are now at the same exact point, only the circumstances are far more suspect.

Without a deal in place, Arum has already claimed on the record that Margarito – who has now emerged as the frontrunner to face Pacquiao on November 13 – is willing to concede to Team Pacquiao’s demand for a catchweight of 150 lb.

If it were for any given fight, it wouldn’t be much of an issue – the weight or the fight itself. More than a few fans and media members have voiced their displeasure over Margarito being rewarded with a big payday while still being without a license to box in the United States. Those same outspoken critics have called for his banishment after being caught with loaded hand wraps prior to the eventual beatdown he would catch from Shane Mosley in their January 2009 fight. More so than the act itself, what doesn’t sit right with most is his always stopping just short of accepting full responsibility for what took place that night whenever pressed to recount what took place that evening in Los Angeles.

But all of that stuff merely makes Margarito the villain, the clear-cut choice to root against should a deal be finalized to face Pacquiao in November.

A villain is precisely what has been missing from Pacquiao’s last several promotions, and all the more reason why a showdown with Mayweather – who has perfected the role of Public Enemy #1 for any given event in recent years – would’ve resulted in the most lucrative prizefight ever.

You can argue that de la Hoya wore the black hat when he faced Pacquiao in December 2008, simply from the perspective of his having spent the past 11 years at 147 or higher, yet calling out a fighter who at the time had never fought heavier than 135. It was the first time in years that Pacquiao entered the fight as a considerable underdog, making it that much easier to root for him and only adding to the promotion.

Since then, the choice of opponents have hardly been the type of cats that you love to hate – Ricky Hatton, of whom there’s only one; Cotto, whom most either love or are simply indifferent two; and Joshua Clottey, who – even if you dislike him - never carried with the fans that level of interest to significantly add to any promotion.

From that perspective alone, Margarito serves a purpose - one more reason to root for Pacquiao, one more reason to hate Margarito, one more reason to buy the pay-per-view event.

That was never going to happen with a Cotto rematch; if anything, it would detract from Pacquiao’s popularity. Arum’s sales pitch that Cotto brings enough to the table to make a second fight even the slightest bit enticing never went very far; the lopsided beating is still far too fresh in everyone’s memory – as is the crappy undercard that preceded the main event.

Even worse, any record books that would recognize Pacquiao as an eight-division world champion – had he won – would’ve shown two wins over Cotto at two separate weight classes, neither of which would’ve come at the true divisional limit.

Sadly, part of that statement will still read true after November 13, should he get by Margarito.

At stake for this event will be a belt that was forcefully vacated by Sergio Martinez, to be contended by two fighters who between them make for zero notable wins at the 154 lb. limit.

Margarito’s most recent fight came at the junior middleweight limit, taking a 10-round decision over fringe contender Roberto Garcia. Prior to that fight, it has been six years since he fought at the weight – dropping a decision to Daniel Santos in their September 2004 rematch – and even longer since he won a fight beyond the welterweight limit.

In other words, nothing to earn the right to challenge for a title of any kind.

While Pacquiao arguably earns the right to fight for the belt of his choosing on social status alone, it’s been more than two years since he’s fought for any title sanctioned by the alphabet group who will recognize the winner of this fight as their junior middleweight champion. That fight for Pacquiao came three weight classes south, against David Diaz for a lightweight belt.

Pacquiao won that fight with ease, but never defended the belt or even returned to 135. That win came on the heels of his rematch win over Juan Manuel Marquez for the lineal junior lightweight championship, only to bolt from that division immediately after the fight.

His two-round blowout over Ricky Hatton for the lineal junior welterweight crown remains his only fight to date at the 140 lb. weight limit. Several publications (including Boxingscene.com) continue to recognize him as the champion, even though he hasn’t fought at the weight in more than a year, nor is it likely that he ever drops back down below the welterweight division.

In fact, for all of his belt-collecting in recent years, his12-round whitewash over Clottey earlier this year marked the first successful title defense at any weight since his days spent as the World featherweight champion more than six years ago.

Now, one fight into his welterweight reign, he eyes a belt in yet another division.

He doesn’t want to pursue it the old-fashioned way – by earning it – or even pursue one of its many other beltholders, but rather cherry pick his way towards a vacant title, in a fight in which the participants could potentially weigh no heavier than four pounds below the actual divisional limit if the present water cooler talk holds true.

The demands for last year’s Cotto fight – while not universally embraced – were at least somewhat forgiven, considering the fact that Pacquiao was at least facing a recognized beltholder.

But there are only so many times that a fighter and his team can keep dipping into the same well and expect his paying audience to come along for the ride.

The run in recent years has proven that Pacquiao is capable of sustaining his greatness even as he adds pounds to his frame and challenges himself in the ring against top-notch fighters.

But in the wake of failing to make a fight happen with Mayweather, and considering that there are plenty of other fighters in and around the welterweight division against whom the fans would much rather see him, the time has come for Manny Pacquiao and his handlers to stop cheating history.
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ha_rooney said:
Am I right in thinking if Pacman wins this fight, he'll have won at 7 different weight classes, which will be a record??

The Mayweather camp are trying to find any possible excuse to delay this fight. In my opinion, if Floyd doesn't fight Pac, his legacy will be tainted. Manny wants the fight, the fans and pundits want the fight, its just that coward who refuses to put his unbeaten record on the line against someone who has a 50% chance of beating him.
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I don't really agree with that I think there both as bad as each other. Floyd should take the fight but last year Mannys camp didn't it then. What I don't like is they wait so Floyd can't sign a contract because of his uncle and act like they now want the fight to make it look like its really Floyd who doesnt want it. Bob putting that clock up made sure Floyd wouldnt agree to the fight that whole press conference after the clock made me dislike Arum even more. So now most people think Floyd is ducking when I don't think he is.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Pac is apparently demanding the fight takes place at 150, with a title on the line. I have no problem with the catchweight, but in no way should a title be up for grabs. Complete bullshit, and it's the second time.
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Yeah, pretty much in agreement with you. Don't even know why it's a title fight anyway, neither of them have done anything at light middleweight.

FranklyVulgar said:
I honestly can't see Pacquiao beating Mayweather....

Anyway, onto the real stuff, Marquez V Diaz on saturday night. If it's anythign like the first one we're in for a cracker.
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Should be a good'un. I expect Marquez to take it but you never know, Diaz was doing well in their first fight til he got cut (at least from what I remember) and Marquez is getting on a bit, not to mention he hasn't fought in almost a year. Will be another close fight.
 
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