I'd love him to KO Joshua. The reactions would be hilarious.
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Fury forever.
Will he not face suspension though, if the rumours of cocaine are found to be true?
It wasn't being world champion that he couldn't cope with, it was more than likely the media scrutiny and hypocrisy. To be honest, he never was given the credit he deserved post-Klitschko. More than likely due to his views, which is fair enough.
I think he'd beat Joshua, though.
It must be frustrating for him. Even if Joshua fights Wlad and gets battered he'll still be called "brave" Fury won and got no credit at all, the media passed off Charles Martin as a better win.
Medea? Christ, the guy is a complete cretin.
The most frustrating thing is definitely the fact that so far Joshua is all hype (will be until he faces a genuine contender).
Oh yeah poor thing, maybe if he wasn't a complete knobhead he might get a little more credit. He's an insufferable toerag who beat am extremely underperforming Vlad, his record isn't exactly stellar either.
I'm just sitting back with popcorn on this one.
Fury taking the piss out of the lot of you.
Fury taking the piss out of the lot of you.
Poor Iron Mike. Now he´s not even the most fecked up heavyweight champ called Tyson anymore. Good for Fury that he´s still milking his Leon Spinks moment for all it´s worth.
The Fury haters are hilarious, it's brilliant how much this guy get's under their skin 
He was counting the money he could make with a UK PPV rematch in his head and suddenly it shot into his elbow. Braehmer is all about the money.
As a sporting achievement he's done better than anything Joshua has ever done that's a fact. Knob or not he's a legitimate world champion instead of just being pretty much handed one. Wlad struggled cos he didn't know how to deal with Fury that's his credit as much as Wlad might of underperformed. Don't quite get your last point really. He is an unbeaten fighter who's wins include one of the most dominant heavyweight champions who hadn't lost in 11 years. That alone puts him ahead of most modern heavyweights.
I dunno I think the convicted rapist might be slightly worse.
Quoted for fun.
Blimey, he even pulled out of his own retirement.
I did wonder where it went , my laptop went made and I thought it was deleted, Sorry All.His hearing for testing positive for steroids might be a bigger problem for him.
He's beaten a 40 year old champion who's best days are long behind him and he doesn't even have the stomach for a rematch. Do we need to bring up the possibility of steroid abuse in the lead up to the fight too? Up until a year ago Furys record was no different to Joshuas, in fact he'd even been put down by a bum fighter in Steve Cunningham. What other scalps does he have at this point?
So cause Fury beat him, Wlad had apparently gone old overnight. Yawn.
Oh Jesus. So basically he beat the dominant heavyweight champion and we're not allowed to count it purely to suit your argument?? Just ridiculous logic really and it's obvious you're dislike for the guy means you'll refuse to give him any credit. He probably has as many scalps as any other heavyweight currently fighting not named Klitschko...who does Joshua have? Or Wilder? I didn't dispute that the rest competition isn't great either but what's the point in giving anyone credit if the one great scalp out all the heavyweights you decide just doesn't count?
He has the same as Fury -1, you're speaking as though his imperious record is beyond contestation. He's had one freaking fight of any note, ONE! And since then he's been knocked down far too often in training, pulled out of the rematch twice, been guilty of taking coke and we have every chance of finding out he was on steroids in the lead up to his one decent win. And you wonder why no one has respect for the clown? He's not even defended his titles, not once and he's about to lose them. What a fecking champion.
Joshua sold explicit substances, only slightly worse than taking them (I think).
The fight he won was against all the odds, against the most dominant champion the heavyweight division has had in years (in Germany, too). The most impressive victory for a British boxer in a long, long time.
Fury is what he is, though Joshua is no better. The only difference is in perception (that and the fact that Joshua has carefully built a marketable personality in order to sell fights).
Fury sells himself on hate, Joshua sells himself on appeal. That's why I think the media attention is fair game for Fury, but the underrating of his ability really isn't. He's streets ahead of Joshua.
You honestly think having a history as a kid of selling drugs is basically the same as a professional fighter taking them? Joshua has learnt form his mistakes, Fury seems to be going out of his way to prove to the world he's the biggest bellend of them all.
He's running from his inevitable defeat. He's talked constantly about quiting the sport because his ego can't handle the idea he isn't as good as he thinks he is. How can you honestly call him a credible champion? Klitschko would've beaten him comfortably if the rematch went ahead.
Taking cocaine really doesn't bother me one way or the other. Steroids would be a different story, but nothing is proven there.
I'm not quite sure how people can reconcile Klitschko beating Fury comfortably in a rematch with Fury dominating Klitschko comfortably in the original fight.
The thing is, even the likes of Chisora are a step above anything that Joshua has faced yet. Joshua has been very carefully protected by Hearn because of his value as a marketable asset. Does he have talent? Yes. Has he proven anything against a top class fighter? No. And that's why Fury is better.
He'll be fighting a Klitschko with his drive and passion back. The bloke had failed to make the rematch twice, has been doing coke, has been embrassingly overweight, been put on his arse several times during sparring and by his own admission he can't really be arsed to fight again and you wonder why others are backing Klitschko?
He's also been taking the piss his entire career. None of this is new. Yet he's undefeated. It works in his favour, if anything. As in, had he actually bothered, how much better would he have been? And this notion that he fought a Klitschko who didn't have drive or passion the first time round is tailor made to discredit him. That Wlad will be any better in a rematch is pure speculation.
As much speculation as you stating Fury is better.
Of course you haven't looked to dispute any of these points because you can't. Fury hasn't been anywhere near this state his entire career. His laziness and lack of determination isn't an excuse for him, it's who is he and is if complete merit when discussing how good of a champion he is.
The only way we will know whether Klitschko did have drive the first time around is for Fury to actually fight the rematch, something he's desperately trying to avoid.
I say Fury is better based on him having beaten better fighters than Joshua. Joshua arguably has a far higher ceiling than Fury, but as of now, he's not as good. That's quite obvious, I think -- or why exactly has Hearn been protecting him all this time with bum fights? Not even medium level fighters, just bottom of the barrel stuff.
Fury has constantly been overweight and taken the piss in general when it comes to boxing. He's never really liked being a fighter, despite loving the sport. Not sure if he's avoiding a rematch, but if he is, it would have little to do with the prospect of losing. He's in the game for two things -- to become a champion (done), and to make money (done-ish). He's the one who's lost his motivation, but it has nothing to do with cowardice -- he just has no reason to fight anymore. If he wants the money, he'll make the fight.
This whole thing is a bit pointless in all honesty. I'm all for a debate but to just write Klitschko off to suit your argument and then predict the future and say he would comfortably beat Fury in a rematch with no actual fact or knowledge to back it up with shows your problem is with FUry and it won't be a reasonable debate at all. The fact remains he is/was world champion and comfortably beat a hugely dominant champion in what is pretty much his adopted country. Think the guy is a cnut I couldn't care less but he is clearly a talented boxer and as things stand at the moment does have better wins than any other current heavyweight not named Klitschko.....but of course you decided that win didn't count for some reason.
Oh and for the steroid stuff, to address the elephant in the room I'm sure Joshua is all 100% natural.
Oh and for the steroid stuff, to address the elephant in the room I'm sure Joshua is all 100% natural.
*win
Just to get the chatter back in track.
'It must be frustrating for him. Even if Joshua fights Wlad and gets battered he'll still be called "brave" Fury won and got no credit at all, the media passed off Charles Martin as a better win.'
Looks like you have a stick up your arse about Joshua, not the other way around
Unfortunately we will never know whether it was a one off win, as Fury is too busy running from anyone willing to challenge him.
He has 17 fights, he has hardly been 'protected' if he doesn't take on a real challenge in the next two then I will start to agree with you.
This pretty much nails it for me. If Joshua carries on his current career path, there's no doubt in 10 years time he will be looked back on as a much better boxer than Fury. But that career path needs to involve a step up in quality very soon. If Joshua had been scraping past his opponents I would understand putting him up against another Z-lister but he's crushed everyone in sight early doors, Hearn still won't move him along and I think it's hampering him.
Whether Joshua would beat Wlad if they fought this weekend is debatable because Wlad is a wounded animal and another defeat would probably finish him, but I think Fury has got a bit complacent since his last fight and Joshua v Fury would be a closer fight than people think.
The fact remains though that ignoring what goes on within the ropes, Fury is as big a **** as there has been in British sport.
*win
Just to get the chatter back in track.
'It must be frustrating for him. Even if Joshua fights Wlad and gets battered he'll still be called "brave" Fury won and got no credit at all, the media passed off Charles Martin as a better win.'
Looks like you have a stick up your arse about Joshua, not the other way around
Unfortunately we will never know whether it was a one off win, as Fury is too busy running from anyone willing to challenge him.
Chisora, Hammer, Cunningham are probably better than anything Joshua has ever fought. I agree competition isn't brilliant but it's still better. It's not a slight on Joshua as such either, until he was champion Hearn was doing well managing his career, they've put him in a tough spot now though cos top contenders should be fighting champions not the likes of Breazeale.
I don't mind Joshua to be honest, he's hugely overrated by the English media but that's not his fault. My comment was in response to someone mentioning him so I'm not going to avoid talking about him.
In fairness to Fury judging by what boxing commissions have said about him he's in no mental state to fight, it's pretty disrespectful to suggest it's purely him running, the guy has issues that hopefully he sorts out and are more important than boxing. Mental health isn't something that should take a back seat to accomodate us wanting a rematch fight.
He's a world champion though. They took the risk and put him in a title fight so he has to fight proper fighters. You can't go round fighting the Breazeale's of the world. I agree he's inexperienced but a world champion can't say "Yeah I'm not ready to fight him yet." You should be fighting the best!
Have a look at Furys first 20 odd fights and tell me that's a stellar fight record, you're trying to tell me Hammer and Cunningham are decent fighters? Come on, you're doing yourself no favours.
Immediately after winning the title Fury has done whatever he can to jeopardise his own career. It's painfully evident he doesn't want to fight any more because he has a very real chance of getting battered by someone, his ego can't take that. Hes already told the world he won't fight Haye and he's pulled out of two rematches. A rematch would put any doubt to bed about his fight with klitschko. Bit hypocritical of you to use Tysons mental health as a defense and then call it nonsense when anyone brings up the idea Klitschko had lost his drive, don't you think?
No, if you read it the quote was "Chisora, Hammer, Cunningham are probably better than anything Joshua has ever fought. I agree competition isn't brilliant but it's still better" so I just said it isn't brilliant but it's better than what Joshua has fought and of course he had that fight against Wlad that didn't count.
Again, you seem hugely naive or ignorant to mental health and you also imply you know Fury better than everyone else "His ego can't take that" how do you know? You just constantly make assumptions on him it's a bit odd.
That's brilliant revisionist history on the Haye stuff as well by the way. He's given his reasons for refusing Haye a fight and he is 100% spot on with it. Haye cost him a shit load of money by fecking him round years ago and then suddenly wants the fight when Fury is the bigger boxer? I'd prob tell hi mto feck off as well.
The vast majority of champions take a free pass after winning a title. He is making all the right noises about taking a major fight next so lets see what happens.
Yeah only time will tell, he's made that noise for a while though (or at least Hearn has.)
My doubt is cos it's Eddie Hearn, he will milk Joshua for all it's worth until people start getting pissed off...he did the same with Kell Brook. I don't think the boxers are arsed who they fight really I think Hearn just protects them.
Probably. You can't even convince yourself that's the true, those bums aren't any better than the bums Joshua has fought.
Of course I'm making assumptions, are you too naïve to realise that's exactly what you've been doing?! We make assumptions based on the evidence we have available, and all evidence points to Fury excusing himself from any challenge. He's happy to bleat on about how he's one of the greatest heavyweights thats ever lived, but seems entirely unwilling to actually defend his bloody title.
Great point, if it wasn't riddled with hypocrisy, what do you think Klitschko has been doing these last 10 months, how much time and money has it cost a man who has very little fight them left in his career? Haye quite rightly refused the fight because Tyson had fought the grand total of no-one at the time, Hayes pedigree was far higher than what Tyson had to offer. Now, as champion, Haye poses a legitimate threat to his crown and he's hiding from him too.
Ok they're definitely better than. Happy now? No doubt you'll find another way of twisting this.
Again, you're so naive to mental health which boxing boards, promoters, family members have suggested is the problem with Fury. Please do some research on it cos it's not only ignorant to him but to everyone else who would suffer from similar problems. I imagine if someone in your work was suffering from stuff like that and wouldn't turn up to work you'd be on the phone to them calling the a bum and a shit bag who's scared of any challenge? Massively ignorant to be honest.
Haye didn't "refuse" to fight him cos he was a no-one at all. What a stupid comment. Haye and Fury were meant to fight twice and he pulled out both times cos of injury, that's not refusal to fight, refusing to fight would mean the fight, the press conferences etc were never made. What I don't get is you contradict yourself (again) it's alright for Haye to do it for Fury but you've spent this whole time saying Fury did it to Wlad and how he's running scared. How come you don't accuse Haye of "running scared" bullshit you give Fury? Is this another assumption you've made based on no facts at all? Oh and Haye deserves to be nowhere near the title scene anyway, he's genuinely fought the biggest joke fights in boxing recently.
Your ignorance to most things, especially mental health issues, is astounding to be honest.