I agree with this. Brook looked like a scared little boy at the end of the 4th round, despite having put up a decent fight. His corner sensed he didn't have the heart to continue.
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I agree with this. Brook looked like a scared little boy at the end of the 4th round, despite having put up a decent fight. His corner sensed he didn't have the heart to continue.
Oscar actually won in one of the judges' scorecards (115-113), but lost in two others (113-115, 112-116).
I still remember Floyd's face when the first judge gave it to Oscar.
When do corners ever stop fights in MMA? In 10 years of watching it I can count on one hand
It's something I wish would happen far more often
Isn't Ward light heavyweight these days (2 categories higher than GGG). I agree that he defeats GGG, but that fight won't show much.The kind of punches KB was taking shorten careers. Right decision.
He vacated his WBC title so he wouldn't have to fight himGGG is the most avoided fighter on the planet.
That would be an awesome fight. Ward schools GGG, IMO.
Ward's clash with Kovalev later this year should be a similar stylistic match-up. Should be great.
A good chance for GGG if he really wants to be remembered as a great though.
The kind of punches KB was taking shorten careers. Right decision.
He vacated his WBC title so he wouldn't have to fight him
That would be an awesome fight. Ward schools GGG, IMO.
Ward's clash with Kovalev later this year should be a similar stylistic match-up. Should be great.
Ward - Kovalev is the fight of the year purely in terms of seeing who is the number one P4P fighter, or at least as close to such a contest you will get in boxing right now. I back Ward to win but Kovalev is a little bigger and a monster puncher like GGG.
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Ward could drop to SMW again. Besides, in old boxing money Middleweight to light heavy is one division up, the same as what Brook stepped up to fight GGG tonight.
Yeah I know it was SD, but Oscar's always had the judges in his pocket.
Having said that, Floyd Sr said Oscar won the fight in a post fight interview too lol, back when he wasn't on good terms with his son.
One of the most stupid things I ever read. Brook had sustained many many huge hits from a guy too big and too powerful for him. There was no positive to take from continuing, his eye socket was broke he couldn't see the punches anymore. Last thing we want is another Michael Watson or McClenan incident.
I mean to say that what sets boxing apart from MMA is the the duration of the action. I enjoy MMA but even if a fight goes the 5 rounds, it doesn't have the same feel as the 12 round epics that we regularly get to see in the lower and middle weight divisions of boxing.
There's a great P4P fight tonight too, with Roman Gonzalez going up to a fourth division to take on the kingpin at Superfly.
He vacated his WBC title so he wouldn't have to fight him
Wow
Have to admit, I don't keep up with the lowest weight classes. What channel is it on?
The stoppage was for exactly that reason. It was the first real sign Kell was hurt and his trainer already had the towel in his hand ready to throw in! Would that have happened against someone like Khan? I dont think so, he would have been given a chance to recover. I think it was absolutely the right call by Ingle because Kell was about to hit the deck or get seriously hurt, but like i said earlier why bother stepping up two divisions if you know you have zero chance of winning
$$$$$$ He is a much more marketable fighter now as well. Especially in America.
That is ridiculous.He vacated his WBC title so he wouldn't have to fight him
BoxNation, tbh I only follow two boxers in those weight divisions
It has happened always, although now it is far more blatant.That is ridiculous.
Canelo's excuse was very pathetic, something like he isn't doing the fight in order to give teams more time to negotiate, and to avoid artificial deadlines.
It isn't really what people pay their money for though.
It was a no lose fight for Brook, his reputation was enhanced because he took on the challenge and his WW belt was not on the line. I would like to see Brook vs Canelo some time soon.
He would have have taken some serious damage had that continued. You could see after the 3rd Brook was thinking wtf have I got myself into.
I agree, people pay a lot of money because they want to see a close, hard fought fight, but these kind off fights obviously have a different purpose just to simply enhance the 'reputation' of the smaller man, without actually every being a real contest like we saw tonight. Just a shame really because Kell is obviously a very talented fighter, just wasted too many years playing cat and mouse with Khan and fought nobodies.
Ward would destroy GGG convincingly, too big, too skillful and despite not having a knockout punch too strong (also there is every indication that GGG is ducking him). De Gale would be interesting and I think he would flummox GGG just as Kell was doing for short periods, but i'd expect him to get caught late in the fight as his engine is questionable.
I too would favour Ward in that fight, but there's always intrigue knowing just one punch from GGG can end it. Darnell Boone dropped Ward.
See out the round imo. Give Brook a chance to show he's still in it during the 6th or he's out.
Since MMA is mentioned it's like taking Conor out in the 3rd v Diaz before he got his second wind ( he then won the 4th and the fight)
It's an even fight when he pulled out. Give any fighter on the planet an even fight v GGG when the 6th starts and every fighter takes it. It"s an outrageous career oppertunity that's been thrown away here and he will never get that back.
Since MMA is mentioned it's like taking Conor out in the 3rd v Diaz before he got his second wind ( he then won the 4th and the fight)
It's an even fight when he pulled out. Give any fighter on the planet an even fight v GGG when the 6th starts and every fighter takes it. It"s an outrageous career oppertunity that's been thrown away here and he will never get that back.
Just imagine Brook landed a perfect right hand and KOd Golovkin while Ingle was waving the towel for those 30 seconds. Now THAT would have been an Eddie Hearn special, the script of all scripts.
According to Max Kellerman / Roy Jones Jr, Kell wanted to quit after the 4th, but Ingle said he'd quit on his behalf to take responsibility of it.
Two of them can go take a long walk off a short pier then.
If you want to beat GGG you have to weather a storm at some stage. Feck everyone here called 5/6/7 as GGG most dangerous rounds. To throw in the towel when Kell is defending himself to a high degree is a disgrace imo.
Feck sake if everyone throws in the towel when GGG gets on top then he'll retire undefeated, It's what he fecking does.
Different scenarios but Khan went out on his shield and Brook quit when the going got tough during a fight v one of the few non scrubs he has ever faced
That's a poor comparison and it's nowhere near the same. Brook was barely standing and his eye was clearly giving him issues. He was no longer hitting GGG back and his corner knew that he was being obliterated. There was no reason to risk Brook's health, certainly not for fans who wanted to see a GGG TKO or Brook make some sort of comeback. In the third round of Conor-Diaz, towards the end, Diaz didn't hit powerful strikes, apart from a few to the body. Conor's game plan was working pretty well for him, whereas Brook was hitting clean shots but a lack of power meant he wasn't doing much damage to GGG.
Brook probably did better than most people expected and credit to him for that - he's a very good technical fighter, but he didn't hurt GGG. GGG's issue, if you want to call it that, was that he showed zero respect to Brook. Which I loved. He kept running into his shots, but they didn't do a great deal of damage IMO. The one thing I was surprised at the most was how off balance GGG was. He really wanted that KO and as a result of that, he kept swinging and was off balance on so many occasions.
Brook didn't feel like it was safe to him to continue given the condition of his eye. I don't think anyone can argue with that tbh. Golovkin punches like a HW.
It was inevitable. Brook never had a chance.
At 160, GGG wins. At 168, Ward wins.
Your post is nonsensical, but the bit in bold is fatuous and comedy gold. So because it's not a heavyweight fight, fighters can't inflict serious damage with one punch? GGG punches like a heavyweight.
True, Ward has also been dropped before in another early fight but those were early fights and he's a much more defensively astute fighter today than he was back than. Couldn't see GGG landing anything big enough on him to KO him.
Yep Maidana definitely got closer than anyone in that first fight.
No way Ward comes down to that weight, is it even physically possible?
Think it may be time for GGG to move up though. Canelo aside (who is ducking him), he has no legitimate challenges remaining at 160.
168 is a talent-packed exciting division.
He could do it, just wouldn't be comfortable at that weight. He was willing to drop down to 160 to fight Floyd, though.No way Ward comes down to that weight, is it even physically possible?
A catch-weight is the most likely scenario, because a straight move up to 168 to fight the undisputed king of that division would be reckless by Golovkin. I can't see this fight happening, all the same. Canelo/GGG is the only megafight to be had at 160 now.
It was tactical, brooks only hope was the hurt golovkin in the first few rounds, if that didn't work they were always going to call it a day as soon as golovkin got on top. Brook was only going to get more tired carrying weight he isn't used to through the later rounds so it was completely pointless him carrying on. I said it before the fight that that was the likely outcome
I like that Golovkin has never been down, either as a pro or an amateur, quite amazing really.
According to brook he said their plan was to come on strong in the second half of the fight.
Roman Gonzales became four weight champion by defeating Cuadras. Ring has had him as No.1 p4p for some time now, and I am starting to agree with them.
I love GGG, but he needs to fight top fighters in order to be recognized as No.1 p4p boxer. Time for him to put an ultimatum to Canelo saying that if he doesn't accept the fight, he is going to 168 forever.
I love GGG, but he needs to fight top fighters in order to be recognized as No.1 p4p boxer. Time for him to put an ultimatum to Canelo saying that if he doesn't accept the fight, he is going to 168 forever.
Brook's entrance music is brilliant, could feel the atmosphere through the telly. Great fight while it lasted, would love to have seen how much further Brook could have gone if it wasn't for that injury.
Well that was expected. I'd imagine Hearn/Brook wil milk it that Brook didn't quit and it was the corners decision. Lets hope we get some fights that make sense now instead of the Brook/GGG Khan/Canelo shite.