A fitting question.
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A fitting question.
Not buying any of his PPV's until he fights a soul worth watching.
Dominic Breazeale?! Another tomato can ffs. Guy just lost every round to Amir Mansour until the old man had to retire cause he couldn't breathe properly. Another fight where we won't learn anything new about Joshua. Expect Breazeale to put up a better showing than Martin, but that's not saying much if anything.
I think one of the undercards, Groves v Murray, will be much better than the main event. Murray was one of Golovkin's toughest opponents so won't be an easy fight for Groves by any stretch of the imagination, I can see it going the distance.
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I think the undercard will be pretty stacked. One of the Smith's (or a couple), Quigg etc not got fights lined up so it's a good opportunity to sell it as a super card as such.
Jesus.... He hasn't exactly thought a lot of world beaters his self....
Why do I share the same city with that guy
Why do I share the same city with that guy
Jesus.... He hasn't exactly thought a lot of world beaters his self....
Why do I share the same city with that guy
He fought and beat the most dominant champion of the last 10 years. He did things the hard way and unfairly had his title taken off him which Joshua was basically handed....he's a dick but he's spot on about the Joshua (and Eddie Hearn in particular) stuff really.
I was more on about him saying after 16 fights he still hasn't fought anybody of any note.
Fury didn't exactly take on any greats in his first 16 fights
Different circumstances though in fairness. Joshua has been fast tracked and gifted a title which is furys point. He had to work to get where he is with barely any recognition...he was often called shit and a bum and even now he's a world champion people still write him off!
It is early days in Joshua's career but he and Hearn knew and admitted that can't be an excuse now he's champion.
For what it's worth fury fought chisora in his 15th fight who is probably better than everyone Joshua has fought to date.
Fury is looking in good shape for the fight anyway!
Sorry I can find nothing to like about Fury, I hope he gets knocked spark out by Vlad.
It's hard to say as most people were wrong last time but I do think Klitschko will be trying to knock him out in this fight. The reality is he probably can't winl ike he normally does so he might as well go for it. He looked embarrassed at times in the presser to of lost to Fury.
One thing he has going for him is Fury looks absolutely awful there and definitely didn't look that bad last time, the fight is only a couple months away. I know Fury isn't the smallest of guys anyway but I can't remember him looking like that for a few years. I think he's enjoyed being champion anyway!
Keep on reading on Twitter how Joshua would knock him out within 2 etc . There's a reason why Fury is fighting Klitschko and AJ is fighting a failed quarterback.
. There's a reason why Fury is fighting Klitschko and AJ is fighting a failed quarterback.Wlad playing the tough guy while trying not to laugh. Or cry. I cringed when he was left hanging, waiting for the malicious stare contest while Fury was having a laugh.
Because he is much further down his boxing career? Literally Klitschko is the only decent fighter Fury had fought. He's had ONE more high class fight than Joshua, hardly a stick to beat him with.Keep on reading on Twitter how Joshua would knock him out within 2 etc
Fury really doesn't seem to give a shite about this fight.
Piled it on too.
Piled it on too.
Fury really doesn't seem to give a shite about this fight.
Piled it on too.
He looks awful, can't help but laugh at his quotes
He looks awful, can't help but laugh at his quotes
He does look awful to be honest but don't think we can write him off completely. He's said stuff like that before and whilst it seems he's telling the truth judging by his current physique you never know with him!
He's in a good position though and I think he knows it. He loses this he has the Joshua fight to fall back on and could potentially be a world champion again! If he wins well he's still the "real" world champion and can do whatever he wants really.
I think since before the last fight he's been marketed quite well. He's got a load of attention for the wrong reasons and people will either pay to see him lose or they actually seem to find him quite likeable. Personally I think he's a bit of a bellend but he does have the odd funny moment mainly cos he just seems in a world of his own.
He's in a good position though and I think he knows it. He loses this he has the Joshua fight to fall back on and could potentially be a world champion again! If he wins well he's still the "real" world champion and can do whatever he wants really.
I think since before the last fight he's been marketed quite well. He's got a load of attention for the wrong reasons and people will either pay to see him lose or they actually seem to find him quite likeable. Personally I think he's a bit of a bellend but he does have the odd funny moment mainly cos he just seems in a world of his own.
I've seen him turn up in awful shape against a club level fighter some years ago (around the time he fought Del Boy IIRC), he went toe to toe and had his head head rocked back a few times. He needs to be taking this fight seriously or he will get starched.
You're probably right I just wouldn't write him off completely really mainly due to the fact I did it last time and was wrong!
If I had to predict it again I do think Klitshcko will win and I think it might be a stoppage mainly because I think he won't underestimate Fury again.
Like I said before Fury has other avenues to explore win or lose, this is pretty much the end of the road for Wlad if he loses it really.
Fury is a tool in his opinions but fair play he went and did the unimaginable. He does not have the looks and sellability of Joshua so has never really had broadcasters lining up to show him on ppv.
I agree with comments re Hearn etc- that Martin fight was a farce and as a fan of boxing for a long time i am sick of the Sky/Hearn machine.
I really like Joshua but i am finding it hard to get behind the likes of him and the Hearn stable due to their arrogance through Hearn's/Sky's machine.
I like the way sky present boxing but the commentary always favours in house fighters- Quigg vs Frampton was an example of that- i wanted Quigg to win as a local lad but it was never the 50/50 they sold it as and even when Quigg was 6 rounds down they were still understating Frampton in the commentary.
On Box Nation they tend to say it how it is - it's never biased towards Warren's stable and i enjoy it for that.
A mixture of the 2- so Skys format- with the Box Nation way of commentary would be brilliant but as long as Hearn has his exclusivity deal with Sky we will never see it.
I really hope next time the contract is up that it is not renewed and we can get more of a mix other than Hearns stable on there in future...
I agree with comments re Hearn etc- that Martin fight was a farce and as a fan of boxing for a long time i am sick of the Sky/Hearn machine.
I really like Joshua but i am finding it hard to get behind the likes of him and the Hearn stable due to their arrogance through Hearn's/Sky's machine.
I like the way sky present boxing but the commentary always favours in house fighters- Quigg vs Frampton was an example of that- i wanted Quigg to win as a local lad but it was never the 50/50 they sold it as and even when Quigg was 6 rounds down they were still understating Frampton in the commentary.
On Box Nation they tend to say it how it is - it's never biased towards Warren's stable and i enjoy it for that.
A mixture of the 2- so Skys format- with the Box Nation way of commentary would be brilliant but as long as Hearn has his exclusivity deal with Sky we will never see it.
I really hope next time the contract is up that it is not renewed and we can get more of a mix other than Hearns stable on there in future...
Agree with this really but in fairness mate Sky have always got to sell most fights as 50/50 especially when it's 2 champions. Surely that's the whole point of selling a fight? They can't turn around before hand and say "Yeah Frampton will win this easily but buy it anyway." It's all about getting most eyes on the product. I don't like Hearn really, think he's a bit of a tit but he is very good at selling fights and making it believable that anyone could win and everything is a tough fight. The only one he's really struggled to do it with is Kell Brook....even Sky basically say his fights are a joke.
Spot on. All of that. Especially the bold bit though. It's all a strategy and ploy. Mayweather perfected that model and while Fury isn't anywhere near that global attraction level, he has that quality of being a watchable, entertaining (even to a marginal degree) and affable enigma.
That in turn brings in the money for his back pocket and further proves that while styles make fights, characters make money. No Floyd fight was ever truly entertaining like the hype made it out to be. No fury fight will be either.
For someone who doesn't care about Boxing....seems to know a fair whack about an absolutely nobodies past fights. He basically fluked a win and is running with it as much as he can, as he should, because people lap it up.
He didn't say he doesn't know a lot about boxing though. In fact in the press conference he calls himself a boxing historian. He just said he doesn't like doing it.
He didn't really fluke a win either he deserved to win the fight. Whether people like him or not he's the current world champion and an unbeaten fighter. He's hardly a bum.
People are giving Fury too much credit when they label his behaviour some form of ploy and marketing cleverness. He's not all there and his (draconian) beliefs are very real.
It was a fluke in that he seemed to catch Wlad on a massive day off, I doubt he wins the rematch if that wasn't obvious already....though I'd prefer he did, but only if he does the deed with Joshua and/or Haye afterwards. Couple of legit All-Brit heavyweight battles that don't include Williams, Fraudley and Chisora? Yes please.
I don't think anyone doubts that he's got some very outdated beliefs but that has nothing to do with his behaviour. Its all part of his unorthodox style and it has helped to make him world champion, whether people want to accept it or not.
Him boxing a good match against Wlad has nothing to do with dressing up as Batman and behaving like an imbecile. He's a tricky fight for any heavyweight regardless of all that, don't you think?
I think a lot of what goes on outside the ring can influence what happens inside it.
Couldn't be more wrong in almost every aspect mate. He's a very knowledgable boxing enthusiast and has been since an early age. He certainly didn't fluke that fight either.
Hope klitchsko KO's fury, fury is a disrespectful got, he has shown a lot of contempt for the sport that has made him a very rich man, and has shown disregard to every hard working, hard training boxer that fights, the thing we all admire in these fighters is how they put their bodies through, what mere mortals like myself can't, to dedicate your life to the sport is an admirable task, and should not be dumbed down by the heavyweight champ, even if it was tongue in cheek.
One night hopefully soon he's gonna have to have a large serving of humble pie rammed down his throat, let's hope he doesn't choke , too quickly
One night hopefully soon he's gonna have to have a large serving of humble pie rammed down his throat, let's hope he doesn't choke , too quickly
That's not really a fluke though surely. Fury turned up and fought to the best of his ability and won. If Wlad has a massive day off then more fool him. You can only beat what's put in front of you. It's pretty harsh on Fury to discredit what is arguably the biggest win in heavyweight boxing of the last 10-15 years as a fluke.
I get people don't like him but give credit where it's due. If Joshua did the same as Fury I really doubt anyone could say it's a fluke. You could argue Joshua's world title is a much bigger "fluke" if you want to use that word than any of Fury's. It was pretty much handed to the guy he fought due to a fluke injury of someone else and Joshua got gifted one of the easiest opponents ever. Fury fought the best and won.
I don't agree with his views but I try and stay away from boxers or any athletes personal views on stuff. The reality is a lot of boxers are probably dicks even the ones who are quite well liked. I'll give Fury credit for speaking his mind even if his views are outdated.
The latter idea, the Batman thing, is obvious marketing as well. It got people talking and was all over Facebook, Twitter, Sky, Youtube etc. I don't think it's fair to label him not all there when you don't know him because of comments he makes, he's entitled to his opinions whether they're dated views or not.
Joshua being in a world title situation which was ridiculously easy to win was a fluke by the way, I don't think anyones going to argue otherwise. He'll now ride that title against bums for like 18 months I assume since Fury won't fight him and Hayes doing an endless tune up tour.
I don't think Fury won't fight Joshua, he's said he'd fight him a few times but he has a rematch clause so can't. It works out better for him anyway as the Joshua fight is a huge fight for him so win or lose he's got 2 big fights lined up.
Bit harsh on Haye doing an endless tune up tour as well. May turn out to be the case but he's only on to his 2nd fight. Surely give him 12 months or a couple more fights before criticising him for that?
They want Joshua now, well haye most certainly does,whilst he's not the finished article, cause by the time AJ masters the science of the sport, he will take some stopping, think Fury is entirely money motivated, nothing wrong with that of course, but that attitude won't leave much of a legacy.