Wouldn't it be best for him to just make a couple of defenses against the mandatory challengers? They'd most likely be Parker and then Pulev, if I'm not mistaken. He'll probably get a few more rounds in those fights, to prepare for the next challenge.
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The HW division is such a mess that the disparity between the top few fighters and the rest is huge. Joshua doesn't just need lots of rounds, he needs them against fighters who will prepare him for the likes of Haye, Klitschko, Fury and even Wilder (who isn't much above Joshua himself, if at all) he needs weaker versions of these types who can replicate elements/problems he'll then face at a later date, and that's where the HW division completely falls apart these days, which has led to so few being dominant for so long.
Whatever people think of Fury, he has been in with genuine threats and dealt with the best jab-based fighter in the division and will do so again in July, he's awkward and uses his frame and movement well, and, he has stamina, which is a questionable attribute where Joshua is concerned. He's also loose and throws shots in ways Joshua has not encountered at all in his career.
If Haye is fit and able and still the fighter he once was, he has the speed, power and movement to give Joshua fits and he has no way to prepare for a fight with him. What Haye said post-fight was spot on: the shots Joshua throws, he'll see and counter in ways Joshua has never experienced. Haye still has CW movement and instincts and would make Joshua work harder than anyone else on the cardio side. I don't know how Joshua prepares for a fight against Haye.
Klitschko is a better orthodox boxer with the best jab in the division and a tactical mindset. Nothing like the bombers and clubbers Joshua has faced thus far. Fury has awkwardness and unorthodox shots and movements on his side that really upset Klitschko's rhythm, Joshua does not.
Wilder only seems to have power and bizarre shots, but he's an unknown quantity despite having so many fights. This is supposedly a future superfight for Joshua. I think he's the smartest choice of the 4 for Joshua in the next 12 months, personally. I think he's the fighter with as many questions over him as Joshua, and whatever Wilder is, he's less refined at it than the rest are at what they do.
Preparing for any of them is next to impossible, which is where Joshua is in quite a conundrum. He's really going to step into the unknown when he makes the step up.
Training and sparring then.
With who?
They can run him through theory, but it'll be nothing like facing the real thing.
Well, he still has to fight someone though, doesn't he? He should be fighting good (but not better) boxers, certainly now, when he's still undefeated and the hype is huge. I'd imagine he'd want to cash in on that, before risking it against the top 5. I appreciate the analysis, but what do you think of my initial suggestion - Parker and Pulev this year, before the big fights against the other champions?
I'm genuinely asking, as I'm just getting into boxing now and don't really know that much yet.
He just has to buckle down and start putting it on the line then. Train and get as many matches as he can in the next couple of years.
maybe 'bum' was a bit harsh, i was still in the post fight night glow
anyway its got nothing to do with liking Fury or not, i'm not the sort to really dislike anyone tbh and agree he doesn't shy away from anything its a shame the haye fight never happened but i don't think haye fancied the height difference, it had the potential to be the same as his wlad fight. I like Haye, he's a skilled fighter who was at one point the best cruiserweight in the world, he's never been a natural heavyweight though and him winning a hw title was yet another sign of the state of the division (Valuev
) For all the (somewhat just) criticism Joshua gets for having fought nobodies i really dont think Furys record is that dissimilar except for the klitscho fight for which not a soul gave him a chance in beforehand. Now because he managed to jab his way through a 12 round snoozefest people are bigging him up as some kind of master craftsman when the truth is he's nothing of the sort, that fight said more about wlads age and having not been in a competitive fight for years than it did fury imvho.
if wlad still has the stomach he'll beat fury next time, but that first performance has raised questions about whether or not he's had enough after almost 70 fights. he might be taking the rematch purely out of pride rather than a genuine desire to win, i suspect he'll retire straight after win or lose
I'm in agreement with everyone else suggesting a couple of fights before he makes the jump. Hearn will want draws though so I think there's more domestic "superfights" likely. Chisora is an obvious one, as mentioned, and I think his camp are going to want an English-speaking fighter/nation over someone like Pulev as they can't sell the fight as easily. Stiverne or Jennings, possibly.
All eyes will be on Wilder's fight with Povetkin, as if he looks good in that, he'll be one to avoid for a while.
I reckon the big fight they'll choose is against the fighter who looks the most vulnerable, so there is an element of wait and see to that, too.
That's what's exciting and equally dangerous about what Joshua faces. With the position he now finds himself in, essentially fast-tracked, he's not going to get a couple of years to tune up. He can't fight bums or lesser fighters for two years as that'll bore the fanbase and lower his value.
There's no doubt Klitschko looked like a lesser version of himself verses Fury, but you're putting Fury down for jabbing his way through a long fight with a Klitschko? That's unfair. The fight wasn't pretty and Fury looked ungainly, but he unsettled Wlad in there big time and because of that, he couldn't find his range or his rhythm, you can't just dismiss that. Preventing Wlad from jabbing his way to another decision deserves credit as it's not something he struggles with in his fights. Age, ring rust or whatever may be a factor, but Fury's style was the biggest one of all, imo.maybe 'bum' was a bit harsh, i was still in the post fight night glow
anyway its got nothing to do with liking Fury or not, i'm not the sort to really dislike anyone tbh and agree he doesn't shy away from anything its a shame the haye fight never happened but i don't think haye fancied the height difference, it had the potential to be the same as his wlad fight. I like Haye, he's a skilled fighter who was at one point the best cruiserweight in the world, he's never been a natural heavyweight though and him winning a hw title was yet another sign of the state of the division (Valuev
For all the (somewhat just) criticism Joshua gets for having fought nobodies i really dont think Furys record is that dissimilar except for the klitscho fight for which not a soul gave him a chance in beforehand. Now because he managed to jab his way through a 12 round snoozefest people are bigging him up as some kind of master craftsman when the truth is he's nothing of the sort, that fight said more about wlads age and having not been in a competitive fight for years than it did fury imvho.
if wlad still has the stomach he'll beat fury next time, but that first performance has raised questions about whether or not he's had enough after almost 70 fights. he might be taking the rematch purely out of pride rather than a genuine desire to win, i suspect he'll retire straight after win or lose
Klitschko only opened up in one of the later rounds, and it was hardly domination. It looked like it took a lot out of him to do so and he did it out of desperation because he needed the KO, do you think he can deliver output and aggression like that from the off despite being old and a naturally pragmatic boxer? I'm not sure how he stops Fury's antics if he can't set up and land his trademark jabs.
But Ward isn't a draw is he? He's just an exceptional boxer who can't be usurped.
Whether it was a shit fight or not, Fury has just beaten the best without question. If any other Brit had done it people would be jizzing their pants like they did when Haye beat Valuev in a much worse fight. He's had dips in performances, been dropped but he's always found a way to win and he deserves more respect than he's shown.maybe 'bum' was a bit harsh, i was still in the post fight night glow
anyway its got nothing to do with liking Fury or not, i'm not the sort to really dislike anyone tbh and agree he doesn't shy away from anything its a shame the haye fight never happened but i don't think haye fancied the height difference, it had the potential to be the same as his wlad fight. I like Haye, he's a skilled fighter who was at one point the best cruiserweight in the world, he's never been a natural heavyweight though and him winning a hw title was yet another sign of the state of the division (Valuev
For all the (somewhat just) criticism Joshua gets for having fought nobodies i really dont think Furys record is that dissimilar except for the klitscho fight for which not a soul gave him a chance in beforehand. Now because he managed to jab his way through a 12 round snoozefest people are bigging him up as some kind of master craftsman when the truth is he's nothing of the sort, that fight said more about wlads age and having not been in a competitive fight for years than it did fury imvho.
if wlad still has the stomach he'll beat fury next time, but that first performance has raised questions about whether or not he's had enough after almost 70 fights. he might be taking the rematch purely out of pride rather than a genuine desire to win, i suspect he'll retire straight after win or lose
I don't think Joshua is being criticised as such - he's done what he's needed to do easily but it does leave questions to answer when he's not truly been tested. It's not his fault he's blasted everyone away but the hyperbole surrounding him is ridiculous at this stage. He may well clean out the division but for people to suggest Fury would duck him is ridiculous and if they Joshua and his camp are going to mention Fury's name after the fight it may be best not to already have negotiations in place to face a fighter of Malik Scott's calibre.
Heavyweights suck anyway : )
3:30 into this. Pre 2012 Olympics days. Tyson knew.
Apparently Showtime want to sign Joshua to a contract in the US for the rest of his career! Some serious money there to be made for him and Hearn. Fair play to them if they pull it off.
http://www.badlefthook.com/2016/4/1...-up-anthony-joshua-for-the-rest-of-his-career
http://www.badlefthook.com/2016/4/1...-up-anthony-joshua-for-the-rest-of-his-career
To be fair that wAS in the days when Tyson was punching himself in the face during a fight and getting a gift decision against John McDermott. He has got a lot better since then. Having said that, so has AJ.
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AJ can be boxing's next true superstar if he can keep winning.
Agreed. He's also in the premier division...not in terms of quality but in terms of people wanting to watch. Heavyweight has always been the blockbuster division. Obviously Mayweather changed that in terms of PPV numbers etc to be fair to him but I'd imagine AJ may bring life back to the heavyweight division, not on his own of course but he will be the face of it.
Looks like the Fury camp want to make the fight after the Wlad rematch as they 'want to move on from AJ', more like get him whilst he is still green, the same applies to David Haye's eagerness. If anything it indicates that they know just how good AJ can become.
I'd imagine there's a lot of stock in being the person who beats Joshua. Look at the McGregor train in UFC for example. Diaz got his biggest payday ever and then more on the press after it. Beating Joshua would probably do similar in boxing.
http://www.boxingscene.com/video-tyson-fury-presser-wladimir-klitschko-rematch--103413
Fury might be aa dick and not everyones cup of tea but he does speak sense in this on the Wlad stuff to be fair to him!
Fury might be aa dick and not everyones cup of tea but he does speak sense in this on the Wlad stuff to be fair to him!
Already making excuses are ya
Fury's a dick
I don't think there will ever be a fight between the two
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/36039559
If he is being sincere and it looks it, he is going to get knocked out in his next fight.
Or he is getting his excuses in early
Controversial opinions aside I quite like Fury, he seems like a fun guy. I just don't think he is a great boxer. His main attributes are his size and confidence.
I don't think there will ever be a fight between the two
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/36039559
If he is being sincere and it looks it, he is going to get knocked out in his next fight.
Or he is getting his excuses in early
Any time Fury is talking boxing and makes these sorts of statements, it's a calculated move.
So they can get AJ in there whilst he is still green and beatable you mean.
Fury beats Joshua now, five years ago and in fifty years time
Joshua's a great athlete, Fury was born to fight
Alright buddy. Lets put this on the shelf for now.
Dont like him , never have done, I know the person who first found him and trained him for a while , if he had of carried on with him , Fury would've learnt some respect for the sport and not been the clown that he is.
He first trained at Jimmy Egan's didn't he? Who's dead now so in fairness to Fury even if he stuck with him he'd of had to find a ne trainer anyway! Equally Fury has always had good stuff to say about him, he tweeted about him after he beat Wlad and ha been back to the gym a few times since.
I don't think Fury is disrespectful really, it's all an act. I'm not a massive fan but he will sell fights doing it (he probably knows he's not that great to watch.) Listen to most the stuff he says about Wlad, he praised him after he beat him plenty of times and even now in press conferences he says he#s a great fighter.
The only other 3 fighters he talks about is Haye, Wilder and Joshua really. He's well within his rights to not like Haye, Wilder is called a bum by boxing fans so it's understandable why Fury may think the same and he obviously thinks Joshua is a drug cheat of some kind...which is hardly unbelievable.
Yeah he did but not by Jimmy , it was by one of his sons Steve Egan , he is still there.
I wouldn't be surprised if Joshua was revealed to be on some PED's. His body is ridiculous, even compared to the most athletic looking in the sports history he has an insanely muscular look.
James Toney was on PEDS when he was fat as feck.
why don't you marry him?
Toney or Joshua?
Joshua is the first guy I have seen who has more then a 6 pack.
I wouldn't be surprised if any athlete is doping TBH. I mean even Paula Radcliffe got dragged into a doping controversy.
Now what I like about Tyson Fury is that he's absolutely taking the mickey out of a lot of things, including the drug use in boxing. Just the other day this is what he said in a press conference about Joshua: "I thought he looked like a pumped up weightlifter, out of his mind on drugs - that's what I thought he looked like." Tyson don't give a feck at all and somehow I can appreciate that.
Joshua is using big time, that's so obvious it's not even funny. He's clearly very talented and works hard but I don't particularly like him as much as many people seem to do. With Fury the cynic in me realises that in the end there's a chance he's also taking some form of PED's, but at the same time when he says he doesn't and points to his physique as proof I can't help but like the guy. He's obviously batshit crazy, manic depressive and self-destructive, but he really developed as a boxer over the years and he's a very solid fighter at the moment. Unless Fury sabotages himself which can definitely happen, I don't think Joshua is ready at all for him at the moment, maybe in two years time or so.
Naz is a proper piss taker.
In fairness again though he's never had a bad word to say about them and occasionally still goes back.
Equally he does respect the sport a lot. You can tell when he speaks about it. His whole point now is he achieved his goal of being a world champion and now fights for money. Nothing wrong with that, he's had a hugely successful career really.