How much it says I don't know but you can only beat the man in front of you and Joshua did, clinically and emphatically. Please may someone do that to Fury.
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Just done a quick google search and that does seem the most popular. Although the WBA has been around the longest it is the WBC which is the most prestigious according to the net. IBF is utter shite, I can't believe I thought it was the most prestigious.
Jose better not get in a scrap with Joshua
Come on, ask him about the United job while we can hear the mic.
Lewis was WBC I think. Saying that, WBO was always a bit iffy, but that was Eubank's title when he was at his mighty peak. Maybe depends on bollocks politics/TV network issues at different times in different divisions.Just done a quick google search and that does seem the most popular. Although the WBA has been around the longest it is the WBC which is the most prestigious according to the net. IBF is utter shite, I can't believe I thought it was the most prestigious.
BOOOOOOOM!! Joshua is a monster. Speed & power combined with superb boxing skills. There isn't a heavy weight in the world who'll stand a chance against Joshua. He's destined for greatness. I even think he'll become Britain's greatest sporting star ever!
Absolutely magnificent. Onwards and upwards.
You better beleive it, bowed out as soon as he took a punch, he didn't come to England for the exposure, all about the money.
Wow, really didn't expect him to look that superior tonight but he really was a good few levels above Martin.
Its not really the goal to win just one title. Being the undisputed champion is the aim for most top fighters.
Lewis was the last Heavyweight undisputed champion too. With his power, Joshua could claim that title in the future. He certainly looked a level above from his fight against Whyte.
Lewis was the last Heavyweight undisputed champion too. With his power, Joshua could claim that title in the future. He certainly looked a level above from his fight against Whyte.
For real? Shannon Briggs is an unhinged individual. Dude shouldn't be fighting.
As for Joshua/Martin, it was obvious that as soon as Martin felt that power he wanted out asap.
As expected comfortable win for the homophobe from the Phillipines.
Last night reminded me why I still love Manny Pacquiao. One of the all time greats.
I think he's just very media trained. He does seem a nice guy but a lot of it seems like an image that's been well made by Hearn etc.
Yeah Hearn is planning same day it seems which is a dick move to be honest, kind of shit for boxing fans in general but it's a ego rub or Joshua (or Hearn really.)
Martin was huely disappointing last night, I don't think can say Joshua was great like Sky will have you think he did his job but as soon as Martin went down the 1st time he didn't want to be there. Suppose he cashed out whilst he had the chance, in reality if he fought like that he'd of lost to most top 10 or 20 heavyweights so might as well make a bit of money and lose to the 1 who will make you the most money whilst you can.
Just heading home now, what a night absolutely incredible atmosphere and AJ was awesome. I had a bet on the second round too so was pretty chuffed when that came in. Martin was a joke really you could see he was scared all week it was no surprise it ended early
Fury beating klitscho was great for the division as it spread the belts and got people interested in the heavyweights again however it's blurred the fact that it's still a very weak division. Klitscho and haye would be tough fights given they were (are?) genuine world level and that experience could see them make it awkward but other than them I don't see any challenge to the guy, fury is a bum and would have no chance against him he'll talk big but he's smart and would avoid it for as long as he can imo i highly doubt he'll win the klit rematch anyway
Joshua will rule the division for a very long time
Fury beating klitscho was great for the division as it spread the belts and got people interested in the heavyweights again however it's blurred the fact that it's still a very weak division. Klitscho and haye would be tough fights given they were (are?) genuine world level and that experience could see them make it awkward but other than them I don't see any challenge to the guy, fury is a bum and would have no chance against him he'll talk big but he's smart and would avoid it for as long as he can imo i highly doubt he'll win the klit rematch anyway
Joshua will rule the division for a very long time
He is hedging his bets. If Joshua outperforms Fury on viewer numbers it gives them a better negotiating position when they make the Fury fight. It is a gamble but could be worth millions to them.
I don't see Fury beating AJ either. Fury is being massively overrated since his victory against WK. IMO Klitschko was exposed in that fight, he had reigned in the HW division over smaller fighters that had to bring the fight to him so he could control them on the end of the jab. Against Fury he lost those advantages and as David Haye says Wlad is afraid of getting hit so he didn't take the fight to Fury. Although most rematches end in the same result as the previous fight I actually think Wlad will knock Fury out if he puts himself on the line and goes headhunting. I think he will as well because his pride took a big hit losing to Fury and he really has nothing to lose at this point.
Can't wait for Fury to expose Joshua. Will be such a sweet day. Hopefully he gets to do it before someone else does.
Don't disagree with his logic but it's just a bit shit for boxing fans. Joshua will probably outperform Fury in PPV numbers and ticket sales as a) it will be at a bigger stadium b) it will be on Box Office hwich more people have access to than Box Nation. In fairness to Joshua though he is more popular than Fury regardless of them stats so I'm talking shite really!! I would like them on different dates still though.
It's impossible to say I'd give Fury the advantage through is experience really. Fury has been raised a level since his win over Wlad you're right but out the 2 of them he's fought the much higher level of fighters. Joshua has risen to a status he shouldn't really be at yet. I actually agree and think Wlad will beat Fury which will give him no where to go but a Joshua fight probably. The problem for Fury with the Wlad rematch is it wasn't exactly a classic so if he does lose I doubt people will be begging for it for a 3rd time! That will give Joshua and Hearn in particular all the bargaining power vs. him.
Fury's experience could be key. Joshua has never been seriously tested and as you say he is now at the elite level without that kind of experience. That said, if he wants to become a boxing legend then becoming the lineal champion after 20 or so fights would be a big step to doing that.
True don't disagree with any of that really. Joshua was right in the press conference that the fight with Fury (and Haye) will definitely happen so we will find out soon enough.
To Joshua's credit during the build up he did seem to spot his mistakes vs Whyte and look to improve on them, albeit he wasn't give the opportunity to last night. I'd like to see him beat Fury but just can't say he will at the moment.
What do you mean by expose?
Nobody, not even the fighter, has claimed him to be the finished article. What is there to expose? If anything, he's in a lofty position he shouldn't be because the HW division is so weak. Joshua has a tough road ahead of him with a lot of dangerous fights for someone of his experience and quality of opponents to date.
He needs at least two more fights before getting in with the likes of Haye or Fury, imo.
Not the finished article but they're all proclaiming him to be the best in the division. Fury would expose him, as would Wlad. Luis Ortiz would destroy him.
Who is?
Surely the talk is of him having the potential to be the best in the division, which may or may not be true.
His handlers will steer him well clear of the true threats in the division until at least 2017. Hyping up a Fury (should he remain champion) super fight in the meantime is just good business.
If Fury offered Joshua's camp the fight straight after his next defense, I doubt they'd take it as it's just too soon.
His team (Eddie has said it on numerous occasions prior to last night), majority of his fans. Look at this horrible old man...
That's just hyping a future fight, and from your reaction, it's working. They'll want 1000's of others to think the same and want to pay for the fight, and job's a good 'un.
God I forget how intolerable Barry Hearn is. It makes me appreciate Eddie! He's like a really bad Bricktop from Snatch
Probably be a loaded card as well, and not on Box Office to really make the comparison with Fury being PPV on Boxnation
I think he'll do it on box office as Joshua is a big name and does sell fights. He'll definitely stack the card though...rumour is its at Wembley so he'll have to put some names on it to sell that out.
A Joshua card that isn't PPV? That must be some sort of Hearn nightmare.
Give over.
If you don't like Fury then fair enough but he's hardly shyed away from a challenge and he has more ability than he's given credit for. He signed to fight Haye, went to Germany to fight Wlad and then takes the rematch as well. I don't doubt he would fight AJ straight after either win or lose.
Sounds like Joshua has signed to defend against Malik Scott anyway. No doubt the casuals will lap it up and fill Wembley and Fast Eddie will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Joshua has all the tools to be a big deal but lets not get carried away off the back of who he's beaten so far. Whyte is a domestic level operator who buzzed him badly and barely anyone knew who Martin was. He was so poor that he repeated the same lazy, slow southpaw jab for the knockout that led to him being dropped seconds earlier. He may aswell have stood still and said hit me.
In fairness he had just been dropped seriously hard. Fighters tend not to make the best decisions in that state.
I agree though, Martin was an awful awful champion.
I think both Joshua and Fury deserve credit for their positions. I'd agree Fury probably did it the harder way but both are world champions whether it's too early or not. Equally it sets up a huge fight down the road which people can finally look forward to. The heavyweight division has been dead for years. You've got to give fury in particular credit for ending the dominance but also Joshua for bringing excitement to the division even if it is against not so great fighters.
With Joshua I think he's in a tough position, he needs to up the level of opponent before he fights Fury or a fighter of his calibre. Fighting people who you beat inside 2 or 3 rounds isn't going to prepare him for a Fury fight, he desperately needs rounds more than anything and a test. I think his coaches know that but I'm not sure if Eddie Hearn really cares, there's money in heavyweights who destroy everyone relatively easy...a prime example being Mike Tyson who is arguably the most famous boxer ever. It's a shame really because boxing has become obsessed with unbeaten fighters. if Fury and Joshua put on a classic and 1 lost there's no shame in it, just seems people are quick to say a career is over because of 1 loss.
With Joshua I think he's in a tough position, he needs to up the level of opponent before he fights Fury or a fighter of his calibre. Fighting people who you beat inside 2 or 3 rounds isn't going to prepare him for a Fury fight, he desperately needs rounds more than anything and a test. I think his coaches know that but I'm not sure if Eddie Hearn really cares, there's money in heavyweights who destroy everyone relatively easy...a prime example being Mike Tyson who is arguably the most famous boxer ever. It's a shame really because boxing has become obsessed with unbeaten fighters. if Fury and Joshua put on a classic and 1 lost there's no shame in it, just seems people are quick to say a career is over because of 1 loss.
Totally agree with the unbeaten fighter obsession. No fighter remains unbeaten if they take on the biggest challenges available to them on a consistent basis.
I think Hearn does know that Joshua is rising a little too fast and easily. Johnny Nelson said before the fight that he spoke to Hearn and he was genuinely worried that they were moving him too fast and he could bankrupt his investment because of that.
I think Wilder is the most winnable big fight in the short term for AJ. Beyond his monstrous power he is not a very good boxer and AJ has decent fundamental defence, gets his hands back up quick and holds when he over commits.
I think Haye and Klit beat AJ right now. Fury, I am not a big fan and would pick AJ if they were to fight.
Yeah you look at more modern unbeaten fighters and there's probably an argument they don't fight the best (or do past their prime/when it suits) Mayweather, Brook, Calzaghe, Golovkin haven't really fought the best when they were at their peak. I'd say Mayweather was the closest to doing it but it was usually on his terms, albeit I do think he'd of won them fights anyway but there's never any proof of that.
I think Hearn had no choice with the Martin fight in the end. In hindsight whoever fought Martin next was probably going to win and would of been a better fighter. Hearn knows Joshua is money and hugely marketable...unlike Tyson Fury. He's even passing it off that he's THE heavyweight champion of the world rather than A heavyweight champion of the world. The reality is Joshua got a belt that Fury pretty unfairly had taken off him.
Yeah Wilder wouldn't be a bad shout but he is dangerous albeit hugely limited fighter. I'd expect a few names who are "Top 15" but not really that good.
I'd guess Joshua would lose to all of them myself at the moment. I think he has potential to hurt all 3 but he's never fought anyone near their quality.
I think Del Boy would a good next step for AJ. Someone durable and decent but not much of a threat overall, just to give him a few rounds, then someone like Stiverne before he takes on one of the better fighters in the division.
It would be tempting to gamble with AJ though, if he becomes the lineal champion in his next two fights he will become an absolute sensation which means crazy money for all involved.
I didn't realise that Wilder was fighting Povetkin next. That will be a good indicator of how good Wilder actually is.
Yeah Chisora would be a good shout he's fighting in May though so think he's out the question for July. I saw an interview with Hearn before and he wants a July fight and then a November fight as well so I'd guess he is wording people up for November as well to keep diaries free! I can't see a Fury fight this year in all honesty unless he loses to Wlad. Even then I reckon he'd go for the winner of Wilder vs. Povetkin first to make it champion vs. champion.
I don't know how much Hearn would gamble with Joshua at this stage, it's his cash cow. Brook can't sell on PPV, Quigg has just lost convincingly, Croola is only really big in Manchester and DeGale gets a lot of stick. Other than that the rest aren't the world title level as of yet. He'll milk Joshua for all it's worth and can't really blame him to be honest. Both of them are surely doing well off it.