The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Kazi said:
I'm leaning towards Frampton again. Reckon he'll win comfortably on points. Whenever there are two boxers at a high level, the one with more skill almost always win.
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I think people are underestimating Quigg's boxing ability a tad. He's a hardcore fighter and although less flamboyant than Frampton he is a fierce opponent. Frampton I imagine will try and box long, but I reckon Quigg will step inside his jab eventually and knock him out.
 
RedFish said:
I think people are underestimating Quigg's boxing ability a tad. He's a hardcore fighter and although less flamboyant than Frampton he is a fierce opponent. Frampton I imagine will try and box long, but I reckon Quigg will step inside his jab eventually and knock him out.
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I think you're buying into Sky's hype, as was I for a while. Quigg's been matched very safely for majority of his career (his opponents have an overall 50% win ratio) and it'll show against someone of Frampton's ability.
 
Can't wait for the fight Saturday. A real 50-50 fight, no idea who's going to win but the build-up has been great. Quigg maybe getting under Frampton's skin a little. Both trainers and promoters seem to dislike each other as well.
 
Kazi said:
I think you're buying into Sky's hype, as was I for a while. Quigg's been matched very safely for majority of his career (his opponents have an overall 50% win ratio) and it'll show against someone of Frampton's ability.
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I had Frampton as the favourite initially and I do think he's the more stylish boxer, but I rate his performance on the first Martinez fight more than his recent ones whereas Quigg is on an upward curve and on form. Frampton is more likely than Quigg to get KO'd I reckon- although he is the superior long range fighter, he's not may weather a date will get caught. Let's see how he copes when he feels the full force of those shots, especially the left to the body.
 
Rooting for Frampton as I can't stand Eddie Hearn and Joe Gallagher. I think Frampton is going to win anyway, Quigg has had easy for too long. His best win came against a finished Kiko Martinez who Frampton had already beaten twice. Paper world champion.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Rooting for Frampton as I can't stand Eddie Hearn and Joe Gallagher. I think Frampton is going to win anyway, Quigg has had easy for too long. His best win came against a finished Kiko Martinez who Frampton had already beaten twice. Paper world champion.
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Whilst I agree Quigg has probably had the easier fights (and agree Frampton will win) I don't think Martinez was finished when he fought him especially when you use one of Frampton's wins at the same time as a basis he's better. He fought Frampton 10 months before he fought Quigg and had won 5 of his last 6 fights before Quigg. I don't think he was done for or anything, sure he was ageing but I don't think finished is a fair statement.
 
Still can't decide... Probably Frampton, he's just more talented. But I think Quigg can hurt him, knock him down. Will be funny to see Eddie Hearn and Joe Gallagher after the fight if their man has lost.
 
Oggmonster said:
Whilst I agree Quigg has probably had the easier fights (and agree Frampton will win) I don't think Martinez was finished when he fought him especially when you use one of Frampton's wins at the same time as a basis he's better. He fought Frampton 10 months before he fought Quigg and had won 5 of his last 6 fights before Quigg. I don't think he was done for or anything, sure he was ageing but I don't think finished is a fair statement.
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Yeah finished maybe was a bit harsh but I don't think it was the same Martinez that turned up against Frampton. Kiko looked unmotivated for the Quigg fight and to me it's not that impress to stop a guy who your rival has already beaten twice convincingly. Kiko was a perfect matchup for Quigg too. Quigg struggles with fighters who can box on the back foot which Frampton can do really well. I think Frampton's just going to have too much for him tonight.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Yeah finished maybe was a bit harsh but I don't think it was the same Martinez that turned up against Frampton. Kiko looked unmotivated for the Quigg fight and to me it's not that impress to stop a guy who your rival has already beaten twice convincingly. Kiko was a perfect matchup for Quigg too. Quigg struggles with fighters who can box on the back foot which Frampton can do really well. I think Frampton's just going to have too much for him tonight.
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I don't think he looked unmotivated in the first round, he was all over Quigg. OK that is Martinez's style but even so, he was going all out.



Your point about Frampton's style I agree with but I believe that Quigg has got in Frampton's head and that Carl will be drawn into a fight at some point. In the later rounds I think Quigg's fitness and power will come in to play and win him the fight.
 
Anyone else notice Barry McGuigan talking about how his side have an edge because he's been in this situation himself and knows how to handle the pressure? Once Quigg walks out tonight the occasion might hit him. The ring walk could be interesting. If Quigg runs into the ring like Enzo did vs Haye, he might be starting to feel the nerves.
 
Thisistheone said:
Anyone else notice Barry McGuigan talking about how his side have an edge because he's been in this situation himself and knows how to handle the pressure? Once Quigg walks out tonight the occasion might hit him. The ring walk could be interesting. If Quigg runs into the ring like Enzo did vs Haye, he might be starting to feel the nerves.
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I doubt it very much. I think Frampton's camp are overestimating the disparity in support for the two anyway but Quigg isn't that weak minded IMO. His psychological strength is top rate. Listen to the reaction he got from the local crowd for his KO against Martinez in the video I posted above. That was his last fight in Manchester.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I doubt it very much. I think Frampton's camp are overestimating the disparity in support for the two anyway but Quigg isn't that weak minded IMO. His psychological strength is top rate. Listen to the reaction he got from the local crowd for his KO against Martinez in the video I posted above. That was his last fight in Manchester.
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Perhaps I'm over-playing it. But I do think it's handy for Frampton to have someone like Barry in his corner and I think Carl will have more support tonight.

Edit: Watching that Quigg fight back, and the build up for this fight, Eddie Hearn is emotionally invested in him. Really more than any other of his fighters I've seen so far. Joshua might be his cash cow but he seems to genuinely like Quigg.
 
Thisistheone said:
Perhaps I'm over-playing it. But I do think it's handy for Frampton to have someone like Barry in his corner and I think Carl will have more support tonight.
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It is also handy to have Joe Gallagher in your corner. He gets a lot of stick but he is the reigning Ring Trainer of the Year, his record is incredible and I have seen numerous fights where the boxer says after the fight 'we won exactly the way Joe planned'.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
It is also handy to have Joe Gallagher in your corner. He gets a lot of stick but he is the reigning Ring Trainer of the Year, his record is incredible and I have seen numerous fights where the boxer says after the fight 'we won exactly the way Joe planned'.
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True, and winning Ring Magazine trainer of the year is impressive! ...actually, Jonny Nelson was talking about how Quigg listens to Gallagher and in a previous fight you could see Gallagher telling Quigg to jab then throw the right uppercut. Quigg attempted just that in the next round.
 
Thisistheone said:
True, and winning Ring Magazine trainer of the year is impressive! ...actually, Jonny Nelson was talking about how Quigg listens to Gallagher and in a previous fight you could see Gallagher telling Quigg to jab then throw the right uppercut. Quigg attempted just that in the next round.
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I think the fight is as close as you will get to being 50-50.
 
IBF check weight is happening this morning. Can't put on more than 10 pounds. Frampton shouldn't have a problem making that but Quigg looks like he's killing himself to make weight so it wouldn't surprise me if he fails the check weight and the IBF title stays with Frampton regardless what happens tonight.
 
Thisistheone said:
Edit: Watching that Quigg fight back, and the build up for this fight, Eddie Hearn is emotionally invested in him. Really more than any other of his fighters I've seen so far. Joshua might be his cash cow but he seems to genuinely like Quigg.
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I don't think Hearn gets emotionally invested in anyone to be honest. Think he just sees it all as a business. Whilst he probably gets on with some fighters more than others I think he just sees money on them and probably gets a bit excited by that. Probably best way to be as a promoter to be fair
 
Tom Van Persie said:
IBF check weight is happening this morning. Can't put on more than 10 pounds. Frampton shouldn't have a problem making that but Quigg looks like he's killing himself to make weight so it wouldn't surprise me if he fails the check weight and the IBF title stays with Frampton regardless what happens tonight.
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Where do you get that idea from? It is Frampton that has talked about moving up because of struggling to make the weight.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Both of them are big super bantamweights but Quigg looks like the one struggling to make weight. I thought Frampton looked in great shape while Quigg looked drained and very drawn to me.

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Just watched the video and Quigg does look drawn in fairness.

edit: The check weights have already happened so we should hear soon if there is any problem.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/boxing/10183125/frampton-feeling-relaxed
 
And Frampton has been making the IBF check weight for his last three fights. This is new to Quigg as the WBA doesn't have this check weight. Let's hope both of them make it though as this fight is better with both titles on the line.
 
Oggmonster said:
I don't think Hearn gets emotionally invested in anyone to be honest. Think he just sees it all as a business. Whilst he probably gets on with some fighters more than others I think he just sees money on them and probably gets a bit excited by that. Probably best way to be as a promoter to be fair
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The way he celebrated in the ring with Quigg there, he looked heavily invested, to me anyway.

While we're on the subject of Hearn, what do you think of him? He seems to be doing a good job but also is he lucky to be around at a time when British boxing seems to be booming (12 world champions or whatever it is)
 
Thisistheone said:
The way he celebrated in the ring with Quigg there, he looked heavily invested, to me anyway.

While we're on the subject of Hearn, what do you think of him? He seems to be doing a good job but also is he lucky to be around at a time when British boxing seems to be booming (12 world champions or whatever it is)
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Don't get me wrong he probably gets excited and will probably like most his fighters but I just think he sees it mainly as business. He celebrated similarly for crolla. I think he's just desperate for the next Hatton and can't blame him really! It makes him a lot of money.

I'm in 2 minds with Hearn he is quite funny sometimes but he's just a tit a lot of the time though. I think his fighters love him as I'm sure he pays them well and equally he diverts all the attention and dislike from his fighters on to himself. A prime example is the presser in Belfast when he says Quigg will knock Frampton out. Out of Quiggs team I prefer him to Gallagher though.
 
Eddie says his greatest strength is that he doesn't feel emotion for anyone he works with so he can make cold hard headed business decisions at all times. Bob Arum also has the same philosophy.
 
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Oggmonster said:
Don't get me wrong he probably gets excited and will probably like most his fighters but I just think he sees it mainly as business. He celebrated similarly for crolla. I think he's just desperate for the next Hatton and can't blame him really! It makes him a lot of money.

I'm in 2 minds with Hearn he is quite funny sometimes but he's just a tit a lot of the time though. I think his fighters love him as I'm sure he pays them well and equally he diverts all the attention and dislike from his fighters on to himself. A prime example is the presser in Belfast when he says Quigg will knock Frampton out. Out of Quiggs team I prefer him to Gallagher though.
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Yeah i guess at the end of the day he's a businessman and the search for the next Hatton is his holy grail. Funny that we have so many world champions now but no one near the class of a Calzaghe.

I think he's alright. Definitely a smart guy, and has adapted well with the times, always interacting with fans on social media and as you say, deflects negative attention away from his fighter.
 
Thisistheone said:
Yeah i guess at the end of the day he's a businessman and the search for the next Hatton is his holy grail. Funny that we have so many world champions now but no one near the class of a Calzaghe.

I think he's alright. Definitely a smart guy, and has adapted well with the times, always interacting with fans on social media and as you say, deflects negative attention away from his fighter.
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He's a very clever business man in fairness to him. He could sell ice to eskimos I'd imagine. What will be interesting is how he deals with Joshua he has potential to be the biggest fighter in the world really and you'd back Hearn to manage him right. I think a lot of casual boxing fans probably love Hearn because of how he markets fights. The reality is stuff like Kell Brook situation is a joke with regards to defending a title, he sold out Wembley with Froch vs Groves when in reality Groves wasnt on Froch's level and who knows which way he will go with Joshua. I think one interesting thing with QUigg losing tonight is how Hearn would react. I can't remember the last time one of his potential cash cows lost, mainl because he puts them in pretty easy fights.
 
Oggmonster said:
He's a very clever business man in fairness to him. He could sell ice to eskimos I'd imagine. What will be interesting is how he deals with Joshua he has potential to be the biggest fighter in the world really and you'd back Hearn to manage him right. I think a lot of casual boxing fans probably love Hearn because of how he markets fights. The reality is stuff like Kell Brook situation is a joke with regards to defending a title, he sold out Wembley with Froch vs Groves when in reality Groves wasnt on Froch's level and who knows which way he will go with Joshua. I think one interesting thing with QUigg losing tonight is how Hearn would react. I can't remember the last time one of his potential cash cows lost, mainl because he puts them in pretty easy fights.
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Luke Campbell. He was potentionally a 10 ten P4P boxer from me but got whopped in his last fight.

Even if Quigg loses tonight he can still be a force in the division. The actual best outcome for Hearn in this fight is a close loss for either fighter. A rematch in Belfast perhaps would be great business.
 
Definitely. A split decision tonight or a dodgey stoppage ala Froch Groves 1 Would make the 2nd fight an even bigger pay day for Hearn.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Luke Campbell. He was potentionally a 10 ten P4P boxer from me but got whopped in his last fight.

Even if Quigg loses tonight he can still be a force in the division. The actual best outcome for Hearn in this fight is a close loss for either fighter. A rematch in Belfast perhaps would be great business.
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True, although losing earlier in his career on an undercard is probably not as "bad" for Hearn than it would be if he lost on a headline card for example. He can quietly rebuild himself now.

I don't disagree with the second statement, it's not the end of the world for ether. Although theyre probably the 2 biggest fighters in the division (Rigo is better but he doesn't have the fanbase these 2 have.) I reckon one, or both, will move up a weight soon after this fight.
 
I imagine if you're either promoter you don't want your man going anywhere near Rigo. Sadly he's just too talented for his own good and doesn't come with many incentives purse-wise. Kind of lose-lose for the promoter and also us fans who won't get to watch it.

Hearing rumours of Lomachenko fighting Walters at 126. That would be a great watch.
 
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evra said:
I've written a small gambling preview of tonight's action if anyone is interested in that kind of thing.....

http://gamblegeek.com/2016/02/26/weekend-boxing-betting-preview-and-tips-2/?platform=hootsuite
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Nice one, agree on QUigg vs Frampton as well there.

Kazi said:
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Whilst true I can't blame them for fighting each other before him. Both are on for a huge pay day and this fight is much bigger than one wiht Rigo really. You'd think he would be there tonight to promote himself a bit really, sell a future fight with the winner.
 
Oggmonster said:
Nice one, agree on QUigg vs Frampton as well there.



Whilst true I can't blame them for fighting each other before him. Both are on for a huge pay day and this fight is much bigger than one wiht Rigo really. You'd think he would be there tonight to promote himself a bit really, sell a future fight with the winner.
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He boxes Jezza Dickens in the UK in March so you are right he really should be there. That said, he has refused to sell himself in Americas so it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't show.
 
Oggmonster said:
Whilst true I can't blame them for fighting each other before him. Both are on for a huge pay day and this fight is much bigger than one wiht Rigo really. You'd think he would be there tonight to promote himself a bit really, sell a future fight with the winner.
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Agreed. Rigo does have difficulty getting the big names for a number of reasons; one of the major reasons is himself.
 
Flamingo Purple said:
I get the impression Quigg lives for boxing whereas Frampton could live without it; I'd be devastated for Quigg if he lost.
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Thing is, with Quigg he doesn't, from what I understand, have much outside of boxing whereas Frampton has a young family, people say that the fact that Quigg only focuses on boxing and lives for it makes him more likely to win, for Frampton he knows a win pretty much secures the future for his family. I'd say that is a massive boost for him, just as much as Quigg who lives to box.
 
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