And the new! Third judge was a bit generous there, second got it right, first completely bottled it.
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Eubank on last fight form would batter him though, hell he barely showed up, acting like Wayne Rooney after a summer holiday and got points last time!
Dunno. BJS already has the win against Eubank to his name -- not sure Eubank would win. Wasn't comprehensive, but BJS definitely won in my opinion. I think Eubank might have a higher ceiling, but he still looks a bit raw to me.
Any British fighter goes to world level at this weight (technically, this is world level, but it isn't really) they lose to three I mentioned up above. They're a class or five below those fighters. Some good domestic fights to be had, though.
The cards were good again? Something about a gypsy boxer turns a judge honest.
Who's the best pound-for-pound boxer today?
Ward. Unquestionably. GGG next imo.
Kovalev is thereabouts as well. The Ring has Gonzalez as number 1, but that's mainly due to Ward's lenghty time away from the ring imo.
I'd actually put Frampton in the mix as well.
Tyson Fury.
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If he weren't so inactive & picky with his opponents, I'd probably say Ward would be up there. Rigendaux & LSC can't be ignored, but I gotta go with Golovkin. He may not have any huge wins under his belt, but he's so far ahead of anyone else in his division that it's actually kinda scary.
Heard very good things about Guillermo Rigondeaux.
Winner of Frampton/Quigg should go for that match.
I can never spell that buggers name...
Potentially another Froch vs Ward IMO. Rig beats both by wide UD.
Potentially another Froch vs Ward IMO. Rig beats both by wide UD.
Not sure. Think Frampton could do it.
Would be a good fight.Roman Gonzalez. Conquered three weight classes, fought the best, is undefeated an absolutely passes the eye test.
He did win but Eubank didn't look like he was trying til the second half of the fight and he still nearly won! I think Eubank would win in a rematch. I'd hope he does if they fight anyway, BJS has said Golovkin would beat them both so I doubt hell fight him which kind of makes the whole thing hugely frustrating.
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Good video, I'd of had Number 8 as the best one...knocks hm out 3 times with them punches!! Still good to see them all doesn#t realy matter on order I suppose.
17 was hard to watch. I don't like seeing a great like RJJ get slaughtered like that... Old man should've knocked it on the head 10 years ago.
Amir Khan will be seen like such a loser after pining for ages over wife beater, then Pacman. Get the fight with Hearne and Kel done at Wembley etc or go rematch Garcia and stop pissing about!!!
Haye's return fight will air for free on Dave 
Haye's return fight will air for free on Dave
Oh Dave.
Haye's return fight will air for free on Dave
You'd think someone would be interested in it but clearly not. I doubt Dave paid much for it. Wonder who the pundits will be? They'll probably lead into it with an 8 out of 10 cats repeat.
I'm quite pleased. I can't believe the likes of Channel 5 or ITV didn't pick it up if we're to assume it was that cheap for the rights, but I'm sure he'll get a much larger audience than he would on the likes of box nation.
In a world where Anthony Joshua who hasn't fought a decent opponent yet was ppv, we have a former heavyweight champ on Dave. Madness!
Yeah I'd of thought Channel 5 would have it on. Just seems odd, in theory it's good boxing is on free TV. Just a weird channel.
Whilst I don't agree with Joshua being on PPV he is far more interesting to watch than Haye, one is an up and comer the other has been retired the last few years. Equally the guy Haye is fighting is worse than most of Joshua's opponents
http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/...dy-golovkin-improve-offer-cede-home-advantage
Boxing is becoming a mess at the moment it really is. The money he wants is more than GGG has got for any fight I think and yet Saunders thinks he's worth that? It's pathetic the amount of ducking that goes on. It's where sports like MMA benefit with organisations like the UFC and everyone all after 1 title people will fight whoever. Boxing is too much politics.
He'd be mad to get in the ring with Golovkin unless he's getting top dollar. If there are better fights out there for him in terms of him actually having a decent chance of defending his title while making big money then I can see why he'd take those offers first.
That said, it's frustrating for fans. Golovkin in particular is the most ducked fighter around.
Even the offer was more than GGG's ever made.
Losing respect for BJS, thought he was a true gypsy warrior like Tyson Fury. Warren has changed him.
Losing respect for BJS, thought he was a true gypsy warrior like Tyson Fury. Warren has changed him.
BJS is about ten levels below GGG. Would be a mistake to fight him.
I agree but then how much money does he want? He's not getting Mayweather money. Golovkin "only" makes a couple million a fight and he's definitely not going to get any more than him.
Golovkin is a name in America and boxing, BJS is known in UK & Ireland and that's probably it. He deserves good money because he's a world champion but he's not worth anywhere near what he seems to want.
It'd be hilarious if he ducked this fight and then lost his next 1....opportunity gone then.
I think time will tell with Fury, equally he's got the advantage he's in a terrible division, I have more faith in him that he would fight top fighters than the likes of BJS but you never know. A lot of fighters have the habit of winning a title and holding it hostage.
He is yeah but equally he's a world champion and is ducking people. It seems odd to me, the best should fight the best and that's not happening. It's ridiculously frustrating, the best boxer in the world at the moment is fighting nobodies because everyone is terrified of their reputation being damaged. There's no shame in losing a fight, especially not to someone of the quality of GGG. I'd argue if he gave him a decent fight and lose his career would benefit from not fighting him at all.
From a practical point of view - If he goes up against Golovkin then that's most likely game over. I'm sure even he recognises that. If he defends against Eubank (who he says is offering more money) then he's got a good shot. Even if he loses against Eubank he'll likely have a re-match clause which given that it'd be one win a piece a decider would likely be a big money spinner here in the UK.
This might be as good as it gets from him so I can see why he'd want to make as much money as he can. I'd do the same. It's easy for the fans to say he should fight the "best" fighter. You might feel differently if it was you putting your career (and safety) on the line.
To be honest I'd rather see a 50/50 Saunders v Eubank Jr again that a one sided demolition job by Golovkin.
He'd probably lose yeah but surely that's not the attitude to take when you're a professional boxer? Fury probably should of lost to Wlad, he won. Marquez wasn't favourite vs. Pacquiao in their most recent fight and knocked him out. Upsets happen in boxing and combat sports it's what makes them so entertaining.
Saunders problem is he's beatable. It's not like just Golovkin could beat him, he almost lost to Eubank Jr and Andy Lee. He should be tempted to take the most money he would of made in his career. If he lost and got stopped it wouldn't be that bad. Boxers are to over protective of their 0 in the sport now, people lose and they have great careers. No one is arsed if BJS has a 0 in his name really, he'd still have a good career if he lost to GGG. I'd argue a loss to GGG would give him more money in the long run than beating the likes of Eubank Jr.
You're right it's easy for fans to say it, but it's easy for football fans to slate LVG style of play or Rooney playing shit, these people put themselves in the firing line and fans are entitled to an opinion on them. Boxing has always been a dangerous sport but if that's the concern then people would want them wearing head guards. It's part of the job unfortunately for them.
Maybe it's just me but I like to see the best vs the best and in a world where we're unfortunate to have 4-5 different titles per division then the 2 best are surely the champions?
Part of me wanted Lee to beat BJS, because he would have been more likely to take the GGG fight. Would have been at NYC on St Patrick's Day, everyone involved would have made good money.
So that means he should fly headlong into a likely suicide mission and give away the belt he's just won after years of trying?
It's his living and he'll be finished in his early 30's most likely - unless he wants to get beaten to a pulp later in his career when he's over the hill - and then deal with all the health issues that brings.
The other fighters you refer to took a chance to win a title, they hadn't just won one. In his case I suspect he wants to secure his and his families financial future first, before he takes on a fight he's highly unlikely to win. The fact is, as a world champion he has more say and is more likely to get paid.
And he says he's been offered more money for a rematch with Eubank which is believable given the size of the fight over here.
At the end of day, as I said, as a fan the Golovkin fight is likely one sided and over fast. Eubank Jr is a 50/50 call. That for me is more entertaining but that's a matter of opinion. Nobody says you're not entitled to yours but it's easy to accuse people of ducking this and that. He obviously is, but for good reason when he might have a couple of years to set himself up before retirement. I suspect after they he's take the fight, or (by the sounds of it) if he was offers silly money he'd take it now.
If you become a champion surely you fight like one? Mayweather got criticised for YEARS for avoiding fighters (even when he did fight some huge names and won convincingly.) He's a world champion, he should have some confidence. Why would you not fancy your chances? Is GGG better? Of course, he's probably the best p4p in the world right now but if that's an excuse for everyone to avoid him then for me it's pathetic. There's risks involved of course but surely back yourself. I'd argue it improved the career of people like Martin Murray, he got signed by a bigger promotion and got a world title fight (and will probably get a rematch) soon after.
Of course it's his living but his living happens to be in the spotlight and he also proclaimed to be a "fighting champion" a few months ago now he constantly moves the goalposts to avoid fighting someone. Again I'd say it again, if he fought and lost similar to Murray it could be good for his career. The reality is a world title doesn't mean that much in boxing. It's a nice achievement but people don't pay to see Mayweather, Pacquiao, Tyson, Lewis etc cos they were champions it was because they were box office. Saunders would never get to that level, I'd argue the only way he will is if he beat someone like GGG, if he was to lose it could improve his career in the long run as I reckon people will have more respect for him. a 0 doesn't mean that much in boxing people understand people lose fights its only the very good who don't and get to the top.
It really is a shame how political boxing has got where hte champions don't fight each other is my point, so what if one isn't as good as the other, surely that's the risk involved? Buster Douglas wasn't as good as Mike Tyson and knocked him out.
On paper its one sided but boxing and combat sport isn't done on paper, on paper McGregor shouldn't of knocked out Aldo in 13 seconds but he did. I agree BJS vs Eubank is a closer fight but for me that doesnt mean it's better. It's a fighter he's already beat....and one he constantly says doesn't deserve a title shot yet, so why give it him? He's a "fighting man" in his own words but then wont fght the best fighter. Kind of contradictory.
For me I think fighters like BJS are waiting for GGG to decline, he's 33 now and BJS is 26 that's a huge age advantage....it's not just a BJS criticism but it would be a huge shame if the most exciting fighter of the last few years is stuck fighting the likes of Willy Monroe Jr and Martin Murray cos champions such as Saunders and Canelo won't fight him, surely everyone would agree with that? I don't wish any ill health on any boxer I just want the best fighting the best and that really isn't happening at the moment, again not just BJS but across the board and at every weight.
OH and further to all this....apparently Eubank Jr is scared and shit....but of course BJS has got to look after his safety.
If I'd been on the long road as a boxer and I won a world title, if think very long and hard what I did in terms of my first defence. I would look to get paid but I'd be very cautious about fighting a bloke who is knocking everyone out for fun and who could be one of the best of his generation - that is, unless the deal was far too good to turn down.
If there was other lucrative fights out there I'd look at those - especially if I'd already beaten the bloke.
He is not the only one ducking Golovkin as it stands and most of those others are long standing champions or ex-champions who are multi-millionaires many times over.
You clearly take exception to the man thinking of his future and trying to sort himself out. As a man with a family of my own, I have no issue with it and wouldn't criticise him for it frankly. There is plenty of time for him to take on Golovkin, and/or anyone else. As it stands I think he deserves a chance to try and do what's right for him.
So if you're asking me would I risk it all for a "punchers chance" against Golovkin in my first Defence - just so I could act up to some macho "I don't duck anyone, even if I get killed" bollocks then no, I wouldn't, especially when much bigger and better are ducking him and have done for years.
You can talk all you like about Tyson, or Mayweather - they're greats who will be remembered. Saunders likely isn't and while jumping straight in with Golovkin now might be brave, it's also stupid when he can take that fight, or other challenges in the future. As he says, if Golovkin wants to unify then subject to him keeping his belt then the fight is likely still there for him later. If not there will be others.
This is what I don't get. You're a world champion...he's a world champion. He MUST have some confidence in himself but instead he opts to not fight him and everyones fine with it? How can any boxing fan be happy that the best aren't fighting the best? Basically you're saying that if people avoided the likes of Tyson, Roy Jones Jr, Lewis in their prime you'd be fine with it because they're better or more dangerous than everyone else? I find that baffling personally.
Just being the only one doesnt make it any better on him. They're all as bad as each other (except the ones who have had the bollocks to fight Golovkin.
I don't take exception to it at all either, I've said it's bad everyone is doing it. There's nothing wrong with looking after a family but there's something wrong with the fact he called himself a fighting champion, said he'd fight anyone, called Eubank Jr shit and scared of Jacobs etc.....and then he is clearly moving the goalposts and doesn't want to fight Golovkin. If he came out and said it it would be fair enough. Saunders is a good boxer but beatable, I imagine if he loses his next fight which isn't GGG he'll never get the opportunity at the money being offered to him t the moment. He probably will lose but I doubt he'd die in the ring or something, it can enhance his stock if he loses and has a good performance.
Again it's not BJS problem who ducked Golovkin and I'm not excusing them but they're not the issue at the moment, Saunders is....it's hugely frustrating. I'm a boxing fan and want the best to fight the best, reality is I don't really know (or care) about boxers private lives I just want to see good fights and time and time again these so called "fighters" avoid Golovkin.
For me I'll say it again theyre all waiting for Golovkin to age and they'll jump at the chance. If the best constantly don't fight the best then the sport will slowly lose fans and peoples interest will go. Promoters, boxers etc will only have themselves to blame as well. Who gives a feck about watching Golvokin vs another 30 ranked fighter or BJS defending against the local taxi driver?