Disagree totally, Fury is technically highly proficient for me.
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Cunningham touched Fury easily. See.
He lacks power and accuracy. Not very fast either. He fought a very intelligent fight against Wlad, but that's not the same as being technically proficient.
Cunningham got them skills though. I don't think that was the best version of Fury that night tbf.
Fury makes lots of mistakes, lots of mistakes. One reason Haye was reluctant to get close to WK is because of the immense power in his fists. That is why he was seen as bottling it. You have to take a few to get in. Fury holds no such fear because he doesn't even set himself to generate power most of the time.
Wlad was afraid to close the range against Fury because of his past (he has an Amir Khan chin) and having a style designed to dealing with smaller lighter guys. He was exposed in that fight rather Fury having a coming out party IMO
Credit to Tyson but every decent HW worth his salt will be licking their licks at getting a shot at him. Tyson is the modern day Primo Canero IMO.
Floyd Mayweather is highly technically proficient fighter, wash your mouth out @lem8sh
You obviously didn't see his second fight v Chisora... He may be a plank out of the ring but he's a damn good boxer and if his performances thus far are anything to go by, he has a few levels to go up and through yet.
On AJ, all this talk of world titles is far too premature. The fact is, he went life and death with a British-level fighter on Saturday and he's nowhere near the Povetkins or Pulevs of this world, never mind Fury, Wilder or Wlad...
I did see the first and second fights with Chisora. Fury can utilise the jab but David Haye is one of the fastest and hardest counter punchers out there. Fury is chinny and makes mistakes in every fight. Haye won't be as reluctant to come in against Fury because his lack of power and the fact the he doesn't jab as well as WK whilst leaving a lot more openings.
Fury will be an awful Champion anyway because the only way he beats the top guys is stinking out the joint with his size a la Wlad. We have had enough of that type of champion for now. After he was dropped hard against against Cunningham he spent the rest of the fight leaning all over him until he was gassed and finished. Not the kind of boxing I enjoy.
'Life and death'?
Do you even watch boxing. It was like 6-1 in rounds before a brutal knockout and Whyte was the Commonwealth Champion, undefeated in 18 who is a good puncher in his own right. And Whyte was lucky to get out of the first round.
Weird thing is I think that Fury is an amusing character and I have massive respect for what he has in the face of all the naysayers, it takes tremendous character to do so. But to call him technically proficient in a sport with guys like Rigondeaux, it makes me feel all funny.
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I think people forget that with regards to Fury. It is a welcome change to see a new champion but if he retains the titles for a few fights then people will just moan again. It's hardly as if a fighter as exciting as prime Mike Tyson won the title. For what it's worth I can't see him successfully defending his belts many times anyway.
True, equally though he is a world champion and will be a multi millionaire as a result. I'd say if Whyte somehow (I don't think he will by the way) got close to that level it's classed as somewhat of a successful career and above a Chisora level.
This is how I saw the fight as well and surprised many people see it any other way. Maybe reacting to the Joshua hype?
I thought he went out super aggressive in the first 2 rounds trying to light Whyte up and end the fight quickly (over-confident/arrogant maybe, but justified based on his last few fights) got tagged a few times, and got rattled. Fought his way through the 3rd round where he was definitely on the back foot and head was scrambled and then controlled the fight using his ability as a boxer, rather than just someone that can punch hard and out-fought Whyte picking his shots and getting the KO (also Whyte took some huge hits throughout the fight that would have KO'd a weaker willed man).
I know the whole 'Joshua needed rounds' thing is a bit overblown, but he won a fight on his ability as a boxer as much as his explosive power. That's no bad sign.
Most definitely. Everyone's been saying can Joshua take a punch. He showed he can and come back and control a fight and win another way. Promising.
I'm in the camp with those who think Haye would struggle to beat Joshua. In fact, I think Joshua would annihilate him. You say it yourself...Haye was a great cruiserweight....but at heavyweight he was a chancer. Joshua is an absolute beast and Haye would struggle to contain him - his physicality would be too great for Haye to handle. I've never seen a boxer with the explosive power of Joshua... he's a roided up machine who also happens to be technically sound. I would be very surprised if he failed to put Haye to sleep by the 7th round.
I'm hoping for Fury-Joshua if Fury manages to see Wlad off in the rematch. One more fight for Joshua and I think he will be ready.
You make a good point, but Haye simply wouldn't miss the opportunities that Whyte did. Joshua leaves himself open (left himself open) -- any one of those numerous occasions against Haye and it's a KO. No doubt in my mind.
When I say Haye isn't a natural heaveyweight, I'm referring to his style of fighting (and general build, which is suited to cruiserweight division tbf) more so than his stature. I mean, at 6.3 he's only an inch shorter than Whyte is, and with a reach of 78inches, he has the exact same reach as Whyte.
Haye beats Joshua imo, only due to Joshua's relatively short career and inexperience. In a few years time, and with the right development, then Haye (or whoever else) wouldn't stand a chance.
Joshua needs to fight a David Price type fighter now imo. Maybe Chisora, but not sure he's ready for that yet. Chisora is Whyte but a lot more experienced. Gave Wlad serious problems... incidentally, Haye sparked him.
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Look, you lot, do you think David Haye is likely to beat Fury? I certainly don't. Haye still wouldn't beat Klitschko. Joshua could very well get knocked out by Haye at this stage of his career. Joshua has some way to go before he's ready to fight Tyson Fury.
At the time of their original match, I had Haye to win by TKO within 8. Now, I'd pick Fury as favourite in a heartbeat. Haye will always have the puncher's chance as a minimum in any fight with any man but with over 3 years of ring inactivity I think not even the staunchest Hayemaker fans would pick him to beat Fury tomorrow without serious doubts. Haye needs at least 2 top level performances before he screams for that fight to be remade for a 3rd time.
I'd give Fury the edge over Haye. Even at the time of the original fight I thought Fury would probably win... styles make fights (as Fury proved against Wlad, and certain boxers just aren't suited to facing certain boxers).
Lets be honest here, Whyte only had him against the ropes at times in the second round and the rest of the fight was all Joshua working at him. He nearly finished it in the first round too but the bell saved Whyte. He showed a lot in this fight and also has had some weaknesses exposed too.
I'm a big Joshua fan but his head stays too still right now. He needs to keep it moving. If he learns that from the Whyte fight then he beats Haye IMO. I don't know if Haye has ever been punched by anybody as powerful as Joshua.
Bloody hell, where have all these boxing experts been hiding?!
Fury won't fight Haye unless he's mandatory, after the shit he pulled the last 2 times.
I think at this stage Haye beats Joshua and Fury beats both. Maybe after 18-24 months of some tough education, Joshua will become a different proposition, but like you say he is way, way off being a 'contender'.
If Haye wins his first return fight against the 10th ranked heavyweight (WBA) in style, then a fight against Haye becomes appealing to Fury. No other heavyweight in the division will sell more tickets than Haye (except for possibly Joshua, but Joshua is nowhere near ready to fight Fury).
Haye and Fury don't like each other for well known reasons, but in boxing, money often talks loudest. It would be a Wembley sell out, do well on ppv (domestically, at least), and is a fight that Fury would be confident of winning. I can definitely see it happening.
Sure, but in interviews Fury and his camp explicitly said that they would simply not give Haye the chance of a pay day and I can understand why. I honestly believe he'll not give Haye the time of day, unless he's defending or mandatory. Money talks, but I just get the feeling Fury would say no. We'll see.....
Yep, I get that. But Haye could be worth more to Fury than vice versa if things go the right way. Who can Fury fight (and be reasonably confident of beating) that will sell out Wembley and do those sorts of figures on ppv? Not a single other person in the division imo. Wilder, but Wilder isn't going to fight Fury any time soon (and it wouldn't even be a unification fight now, as the IBF has taken their belt from Fury).
Massive overrating of Fury in here IMO. Styles make fight and Wlad had all his advantages taken away from him against Fury. I expect him to win the rematch and then we can look forward to a trio of shite.
Chris Eubank Jr leaves Matchroom
Haye defeats Joshua now, with Fury easily defeating both of them.
Joshua needs another 2-3 good fights before he is ready for Haye, and another 2-3 other fights to compete for the world title. He also needs to get some good sparring partners. Though I am not sure if there is any top boxer who will take him as sparring partner.
Nobody watching tonight?
Should be good. Gonna go with Saunders.
Say whatever you want about Hearn, but at least he can put on a show. BoxNation is so tacky.
Hearn>Warren times a million.
Hearn>Warren times a million.
After what Tyson Fury did, I don't think I can ever bet against a gypsy warrior again. BJS by wide decision or late stoppage.
BJ looking good so far...
I don't usually gamble as its a mugs game but did put a few quid on Fury to win the same night Eubank Jr fought Billy Joe and also went with Eubank who cost me, so maybe you're right!!
Saunders KO. Impressive.
It's coming...
It's coming...
Lee doing well to stay alive here.
Fair fecks, makes the bell.
Fair fecks, makes the bell.
BJS is too sharp for him
BJS is the best in the division (UK, that is). GGG is best on the planet, alongside Ward. Kovalev too actually.
Saunders win, surely. Lee done well in the last few rounds, but Saunders has to win that.
I have it 114-112 for BJS