The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Yeah he wasn't messing around there. Fair play to Fielding for engaging and making it a fire fight. Against the ropes he buzzed Smith with an uppercut and follow up shot but when he tried to drive through on the momentum that created, he opened himself up too much and got caught heavily. From there the end was inevitable. Credit to both.

Tough to gauge right now if that performance puts Smith in the Groves bracket yet or if he needs something else for proof. The perfect fight for him now would be a gatekeeper like big brother Paul but obviously that's never going to happen.
 
Callum Smith is a bit of a monster tbh. No doubt Eddie will try build towards DeGale vs Smith, if Al Haymon allows him too.
 
That is amazing! :lol:

Great stuff from Atlas. Never knew he was a trainer, always thought he was an analyst.

And yeah, Callum Smith looked great Saturday. Get him in there with Jack.


Yeah he's been a trainer for a few big names. He worked with Tyson years ago with Cus D'Amato but got fired for putting a gun to Tyson's head. It'x all in Tyson's book and in his stand up show thing as well from what I remember.

He's meant to be a bit of a lunatic apparently which is ometimes evident when he's analysing stuff.
 
Thanks for the info lads.

Yep something to do with Tyson and a 12 year old girl from Atlas' family....think they made up a while ago though.

Speaking of lunatics, here's another 1:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...zarre-rants-devil-worshippers-Armageddon.html

Don't know how people can want him to beat Wlad, I appreciate the heavyweight division is a bit stale but Fury winning would be terrible I think.

Was rooting for Klitschko anyway, but after reading that I hope he smashes Fury and we never hear from him again.
 
Oscar on Floyd

Dear Floyd:

You did it. You made it to the 49–0 mark, a milestone that you like to say only the great Rocky -Marciano reached but that was actually achieved by others, including my idol Julio César Chávez—but who’s counting? And now you’re retiring. Again. (The first time was after our fight in 2007.) This time you say it’s for real. You’re serious about hanging up the gloves. On to bigger and better things. So I’m writing to you today to wish you a fond farewell. Truth be told, I’m not unhappy to see you retire. Neither are a lot of boxing fans. Scratch that. MOST boxing fans. Why? Because the fight game will be a better one without you in it.

Let’s face it: You were boring. Just take a look at your most recent performance, your last hurrah in the ring, a 12-round decision against Andre Berto. How to describe it? A bust? A disaster? A snooze fest? An affair so one-sided that on one judge’s card Berto didn’t win a single round? Everyone in boxing knew Berto didn’t have a chance. I think more people watched Family Guyreruns that night than tuned in to that pay-per-view bout. But I didn’t mind shelling out $75 for the HD broadcast. In fact it’s been a great investment. When my kids have trouble falling asleep, I don’t have to read to them anymore. I just play them your Berto fight. They don’t make it past round three.

Another reason boxing is better off without you: You were afraid. Afraid of taking chances. Afraid of risk. A perfect example is your greatest “triumph,” the long-awaited record-breaking fight between you and Manny Pacquiao. Nearly 4.5 million buys! More than $400 million in revenue! Headlines worldwide! How can that be bad for boxing? Because you lied. You promised action and entertainment and a battle for the ages, and you delivered none of the above. The problem is, that’s precisely how you want it. You should have fought Pacquiao five years ago, not five months ago. That, however, would have been too dangerous. Too risky. You’ve made a career out of being cautious. You won’t get in the ring unless you have an edge. Sure, you fought some big names. But they were past their prime. Hell, even when we fought in 2007—and I barely lost a split decision—I was at the tail end of my career. Then later you took on Mexican megastar Saúl “Canelo” -Álvarez, but he was too young and had to drop too much weight.

Me? I got into this business to take chances. I took on all comers in their prime. The evidence? I lost. Six times. After 31 wins, my first loss was to Félix Trinidad, and I learned a valuable lesson that is true both in the ring and in life: Don’t run. I didn’t stop taking on the best of the best. After beating Derrell Coley, I took on “Sugar” Shane Mosley at the height of his powers—undefeated and considered by many to be the pound-for-pound best in the world. Again, I lost. After four wins against more top-ranked fighters I took on Mosley again. We can debate who actually won the rematch, but the judges had me losing that one as well.

Did I go easy after that? No. I moved up to middleweight to win a belt and faced one of the greatest middleweights of all time, Bernard Hopkins. After a body shot that I’m still feeling took me out of the fight, I took on two more guys at the height of their power who, many years later, would finally face each other at the ages of 36 and 38—Manny Pacquiao and you. When fighters do that—when they risk losing—that’s when everyone wins. The mantra of my firm Golden Boy Promotions is simple: the best taking on the best. It’s too bad you didn’t do the same.

You took the easy way out. When you weren’t dancing around fading stars (show idea for you: Dancing Around the Fading Stars), you were beating up on outclassed opponents. A lot of your opponents were above-average fighters, but they weren’t your caliber. You’re a very talented fighter, the best defensive fighter of our generation. But what good is talent if you don’t test it? Muhammad Ali did. Sugar Ray Leonard did. You? Not a chance. You spent 2000 to 2010 facing forgettable opening acts like Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N’dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles and Sharmba Mitchell. There were guys out there—tough scary opponents like Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams—but you ran from them. Were you ever on the track team in high school? You would have been a star.

Boxing will also be a better place without the Mouth. Your mouth, to be precise, the one that created “Money” Mayweather. I know you needed that Money Mayweather persona. Before he—and Golden Boy -Promotions—came along, nobody watched your fights. You couldn’t even sell out your hometown of Grand Rapids, Michigan. The Mouth made you money. More money than you could spend in a lifetime. (Wait, I’ve seen those episodes of 24/7. You probably will spend it all.) But the Mouth doesn’t have a place in boxing; save it for the WWE. Unless you’re someone like Ali, whose fights were as scintillating as his banter, the all-talk, no-entertainment model cheapens our sport. Boxers should speak with their fists and with their hearts. They don’t have to say anything to prove themselves. You’re going to have a legacy. You’ll be remembered as the guy who made the most money. As for your fights? We’ve already forgotten them.

Now that you’re stepping aside, attention can be turned to the sport’s real stars: the brawlers, the brave, the boxers who want nothing more than to face the best and therefore be the best. There’s Canelo, Kazakh KO sensation Gennady Golovkin, ferocious flyweight Román González, slugger Sergey Kovalev and a host of up-and-comers including Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko and Keith Thurman. Want to see what a monster fight looks like? Canelo takes on Miguel Cotto on November 21. It won’t do 4.4 million in PPV buys, but everyone who watches it will be thrilled. And that’s no empty promise.

You’re moving on to a new phase of life now, a second act. I’m sure it will be nice not to have to train year-round. To get out of the gym and spend time with your family. But I’m wondering what you’re going to do. You have a lot of time and, at the moment, a lot of money. Maybe you’ll put your true skills to work and open a used-car dealership or run a circus. Or maybe you’ll wind up back on Dancing With the Stars. It’s a job that’s safe, pays well and lets you run around on stage. Something you’ve been doing for most of your career.
 
He's right and could have gone further but I guess he held back as it's already a bitter read as it is.
 
I hope he's got enough vinegar to go with that salt.
 
He's clearly a bit bitter but actually is spot on with a lot of what he says.

Lets see if Floyd responds.
 
We already have an impressive number of belt holders, but fastforward a few years and I think we can do even better :drool:
 
"I don't believe that you understand heavyweight boxing properly. I don't believe that you can teach me anything."

From Wlad, that might be seen as a tiny bit disrespectful (even if entirely true). From Tyson? :lol::wenger:
 


Whilst I don't like Fury he has done a good job of talking himself up in this fight. I really can't see him winning but his confidence is there.

Good few weeks of boxing anyway Murray vs Abraham, Perez vs Crolla, Cotto vs Canelo, Fury vs Wlad, DeGale vs Bute and the likes of Errol Spence and Rigondeaux are fighting on them cards.

Got tickets to Crolla so looking forward to that. Think there's still a good few seats available as well for it.
 
Whilst I don't like Fury he has done a good job of talking himself up in this fight. I really can't see him winning but his confidence is there.

Good few weeks of boxing anyway Murray vs Abraham, Perez vs Crolla, Cotto vs Canelo, Fury vs Wlad, DeGale vs Bute and the likes of Errol Spence and Rigondeaux are fighting on them cards.

Got tickets to Crolla so looking forward to that. Think there's still a good few seats available as well for it.

Rigondeaux has signed up with Roc Nation so that hopefully means we get to see more of him and fingers crossed a fight against Lomachenko.
 
Rigondeaux has signed up with Roc Nation so that hopefully means we get to see more of him and fingers crossed a fight against Lomachenko.

Yeah hopefully fights more, the only problem is the risk of people like Al Haymon not letting him fight his fighters and he basically ruins his own career signing with Roc Nation.
 
It would be a massive shame to see such a talented boxer (arguably the most talented around) waste away because of promoters and other fighters not wanting to get in the ring with him. Crazy that being so good gets you less big fights. Should be the other way around.
 
It would be a massive shame to see such a talented boxer (arguably the most talented around) waste away because of promoters and other fighters not wanting to get in the ring with him. Crazy that being so good gets you less big fights. Should be the other way around.

Aye, Rigo is 35 as well as it is so I doubt were going to see much more (if any) of his peak - a real shame as you say.
 
Aye, Rigo is 35 as well as it is so I doubt were going to see much more (if any) of his peak - a real shame as you say.

Exactly. 35 already so now is the time to get him in the ring as much as possible (he is yet to fight in 2015) and to get him big fights against the likes of Lomachenko, Frampton, Santa Cruz etc. Rigo is a genius and the fans deserve to see that, even if he is a bit boring in comparison to GGG. The promoters need to act now.
 
It would be a massive shame to see such a talented boxer (arguably the most talented around) waste away because of promoters and other fighters not wanting to get in the ring with him. Crazy that being so good gets you less big fights. Should be the other way around.

Boxing is hugely political though. I agree with what you say completely but with so many people under different belts and different agents etc it's all about protecting an investment. Just look at the UFC this weekend and it's a huge amount of money potentially lost. I don't agree with it but it's been a downfall of boxing for years. I can't think of many fighters who are willing to fight anyone really once they get to the top level? Mayweather, Pac, Khan etc all avoid people. The only ones I can think of are GGG and Wlad.
 
Must say, I'm impressed and surprised that Jay-Z has signed two highly talented but not so popular fighters in Ward and Rigo, especially the latter. Hope he knows what he's doing with them. Getting them on Cotto's undercard is a good start.
 
If he sets Ward up with anyone in the top 50 then that'll be impressive enough for me.
 
Boxing is hugely political though. I agree with what you say completely but with so many people under different belts and different agents etc it's all about protecting an investment. Just look at the UFC this weekend and it's a huge amount of money potentially lost. I don't agree with it but it's been a downfall of boxing for years. I can't think of many fighters who are willing to fight anyone really once they get to the top level? Mayweather, Pac, Khan etc all avoid people. The only ones I can think of are GGG and Wlad.

Yeah totally and if only Boxing could get back to the days when it was just one world champion per division and only 8 divisions. Money and politics won't allow it though like you say. I remember reading that the Leonard Hearns 1st fight was on regular TV on a Tuesday night or something. One of the great fights, featuring HOF boxers, free on a week night. These days we're asked to pay £14.99 for Tony Bellew vs Nathan Cleverly.
 
I'd like to see Haye vs Joshua.

Yeah I don't mind Haye, he seems a nice enough guy and is a hugely entertaining boxer. His "comebacks" are usually more desperate for attention than anything like Froch which annoys me a bit but I wouldn't mind seeing him fight again.

If Fury loses I'd imagine Haye is a good fall back option for him and the likes of Joshua. Although he's a huge risk for someone like Joshua I think at this moment in time.

The cynic in me says it's another one that won't happen though...
 
David Haye is back (again.....) and announced his return via TheLadBible of all places.


Despite the Klitschko and Fury farce I still like David Haye and I think he's a really good fighter. I reckon he'll make his comeback on the Frampton v Quigg undercard.

Speaking of Frampton v Quigg, the press conferences over the last few days have been interesting. A lot of people seem to think Frampton is rattled a bit. It's clear he dislikes Eddie Hearn and Joe Gallagher. I don't blame him, Hearn is alright but Joe Gallagher is a knob. I'm picking Frampton to beat Quigg convincingly.