The RedCafe Boxing Thread

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Felix Magath with an appearance...
 
Wlad will walk through Tyson Fury - free money if you're a betting man. He's already the lineal champion and frankly you would have to be a fool to dispute that he's the best heavyweight in the game. I very much doubt Wilder will face Wlad, I don't even expect him to face Povetkin - they'll keep the hype train going for as long as possible.

Wlad won't walk through him. It'll be closer than people think and I wouldn't be surprised if Fury won. Sure people will laugh at that and ridicule it but we'll see. Hope so too, Fury is entertaining to watch.
 
Don't sleep on Fury. Kid's got skills, and has greatly improved since the Cunningham fight.
 
Not sure what to think of this fight. Surely Klitschko's vaunted jab and reach advantage will not help him much here.
 
Not sure what to think of this fight. Surely Klitschko's vaunted jab and reach advantage will not help him much here.
I like Fury's chances in this fight, Fury has got a good style and can fight both stances, he also has a reach advantage. Obviously Klitschko is a great fighter and it won't be an easy fight. But it is intriguing.
 
Wlad's jab is out of this world, arguably the best in boxing - there's frightening power and accuracy there. I cannot see Fury eating those for 12 rounds - his chin is suspect as well remember. I find Fury entertaining but I don't give him more than a puncher's chance in this one - Klitschko is light years away in terms of technical ability and ring IQ.
 
No worries.

Mayweather is rumoured to be on CBS in America but it's not been confirmed...I'd imagine it will be free in most places around the world if they're not charging in America. Although with the exception of Pacquiao haven't his last few fights been on Box Nation? I wouldn't be paying if that's the case.

It's an uninspiring choice for a last fight to be honest but I didn't really expect much different as it's been basically confirmed since after the Pac fight. I still think he'll go for 50-0, this is an easy fight to secure a 49-0, put it on free TV in the US. Millions will tune in as it's a free Floyd Mayweather fight, he'll win convincingly and then he'll suddenly have a change of heart about 10 minutes after the fight and say he wants to go for 50-0 and they'll make a fortune off it on PPV being his last fight. I don't know who it would be against though, he can beat everyone in the division fairly easily so he has his pick really. I don't think he's actually overly bothered about the "0" in his record when it's his last fight, he'll get the same pay day regardless.

I definitely won't be paying for it, although Groves is fighting Badou Jack for the WBC title on the undercard and that might be worth watching. Yeah, bettering Marciano's record will be on his mind.
 
I definitely won't be paying for it, although Groves is fighting Badou Jack for the WBC title on the undercard and that might be worth watching. Yeah, bettering Marciano's record will be on his mind.

The Groves fight is in August I think so it won't be on the undercard. Mayweather likes to flood them with average fighters from his promotion anyway a lot of the time. Be interesting to see what happens with Mayweather promotions once he goes, bar 1 or 2 decent fighters none of the others look up to much. Their books will be massively dependent on Floyd fighting.

I hope Floyd gets panned for this.

I imagine he will, it won't be as bad if it airs o n free TV though. He's been a PPV regular for years now....even if it was on PPV I'd guess it would sell good numbers.
 
The Groves fight is in August I think so it won't be on the undercard. Mayweather likes to flood them with average fighters from his promotion anyway a lot of the time. Be interesting to see what happens with Mayweather promotions once he goes, bar 1 or 2 decent fighters none of the others look up to much. Their books will be massively dependent on Floyd fighting.

Ah, makes sense. I was wondering why Grooves was on the undercard, couldn't figure out how he managed that. Is the fight at the MGM? again, I thought it was for some reason but reading up on it nothing is mentioned.

Hard to say, you'd think with the amount of money Floyd has made at this stage he should be able to fund Mayweather promotions without having to fight. Copy the Golden Boy model I suppose, although I've read that Golden Boy isn't in the best shape either, hence the Oscar comeback rumours (not sure how true that is).
 
Ah, makes sense. I was wondering why Grooves was on the undercard, couldn't figure out how he managed that. Is the fight at the MGM? again, I thought it was for some reason but reading up on it nothing is mentioned.

Hard to say, you'd think with the amount of money Floyd has made at this stage he should be able to fund Mayweather promotions without having to fight. Copy the Golden Boy model I suppose, although I've read that Golden Boy isn't in the best shape either, hence the Oscar comeback rumours (not sure how true that is).

Groves is at the MGM yeah, not sure on Mayweather (I'd be surprised if it's not the MGM though.)

It's meant to be near on impossible to make money from boxing, all the Mayweather's, De La Hoya's etc seem to rely on their name and it's fair enough. I'd imagine Mayweather will get even closer to Al Haymon once he retires, possibly merge the Mayweather stuff in with Haymon and make a nice income off that. He must be getting some kind of favour off Haymon if he's willing to lose his PPV money to fight on free TV.
 
I've never been sold on Fury -- he isn't particularly clever, not a great fighter, and is just a bit of a wanker. He tries to be a blend of Ali and Tyson in his press conferences but he doesn't possess the intelligence and wit of the former, or the fear factor of the latter, and it all just comes across as incredibly cringe-worthy.
 
I've never been sold on Fury -- he isn't particularly clever, not a great fighter, and is just a bit of a wanker. He tries to be a blend of Ali and Tyson in his press conferences but he doesn't possess the intelligence and wit of the former, or the fear factor of the latter, and it all just comes across as incredibly cringe-worthy.

Yeah he is a bit of a knob and bit mentally challenged. He talks like a child albeit a massive one.
 
Best bit was at the start of the presser when Tyson introduced himself as 'a sex master from Great Britain' in German, or at least that's what I translated it to.
 
I've never been sold on Fury -- he isn't particularly clever, not a great fighter, and is just a bit of a wanker. He tries to be a blend of Ali and Tyson in his press conferences but he doesn't possess the intelligence and wit of the former, or the fear factor of the latter, and it all just comes across as incredibly cringe-worthy.

As a talker I find him a bit like a rapper, there are a few lines of gold buried in a whole heap of crap.
 
Haters.



"Chisora didn't land a punch on me. The guy you didn't fight twice because you were afraid."
"I was scared to death."

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(slight doubt on Shumenov).
Sums up the entire weekend's boxing imo. Best odds you can get on Kovalev is 1/100! Expecting routine wins for the rest, and what should be a tough fight for Shumenov. I expect him to win, but it should be a cracking fight.
 
Thoughts on the boxing this weekend gents? @Kazi @Mciahel Goodman @Bill.s.preston @Tommy @Classical Mechanic @Oggmonster @FC Ronaldo @Raoul @ha_rooney

Obviously Kovalev wins by KO but Pascal, Shumenov, Blackwell and Mitchell Smith are all in fights I expect them to emerge victorious from (slight doubt on Shumenov).

http://www.oddschecker.com/boxing

Won a bit of money on The Open last week so stuck 20 quid on an accumulator of Blackwell, Fuentes, Sanchez, Pascal and went for BJ Flores against Shumenov just to up the odds really. 210 quid returns at the time so not to bad. I think the one that will probably let me down is Flores but it will be a close fight. The rest of the weekend it seems straight forward.

I was tempted to put 5 quid on Arias against Hughie Fury before. Fury is huge favourite and will probably win but I saw him out on the piss last weekend which isn't exactly the best preparation! He'll probably still win easily mind so would of been a waste of a fiver.
 
Kid Galahad's two-year boxing ban will stand after the UK Anti-Doping agency rejected his appeal.

Sheffield's unbeaten super-bantamweight was the European and Commonwealth champion when he tested positive for a banned steroid after beating Adeilson Dos Santos in September last year.

Galahad argued he drank a protein shake which was spiked by his brother,who backed up the claim with a sworn affidavit.

But UKAD's appeals panel were not convinced by the brother's admission and concluded that "on the evidence before this tribunal the athlete has not established on the balance of probabilities how the prohibited substance entered his body."

Galahad's ban is backdated to September 20, the date of the Dos Santos fight, which will now go down on his record as a disqualification.

UKAD chief executive Nicole Sapstead said: "Kid Galahad is one of the country’s leading boxing talents and through his own actions he has jeopardised his promising career, and his reputation.

"All athletes, at all levels, need to understand the importance of Strict Liability. They are solely responsible for any banned substance that is found in their system, regardless of how it got there or whether there was an intention to cheat or not.

"The principle of Strict Liability can be challenging for an athlete. They have to ensure that they understand the anti-doping rules and that their family, friends, coaches and athlete support personnel understand them too.

"They need to be aware of the risks their career faces if they test positive, and manage that risk at all times.

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/new...ds-two-year-suspension-upheld-as-appeal-fails

Big blow for him that, his excuse was bullshit though so not surprised it happened.
 
@evra would agree with everything that's been said so far by the others tbf.

Dereck Chisora won in 29 seconds tonight on his return. Billy Joe Saunders stopped his opponent in 4 rounds. Frank Buglioni likewise in the 5th.

 
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Sure is, shows just how smug Klitchko is. All this patronising game he's playing is boring with the whole "its good, the therapy has started" because he has a degree is sports psychology or whatever, its a boring routine, as dull as his fights often are. Claiming that he's going to make him a better person etc. He's very diplomatic most of the time in his TV interviews, not trash talking and trying to say the right thing but his smugness and patronising is really coming out here. The way he ordered Tyson around for positioning or camera shot then said please was probably one of the tricks he's learned but I think Tyson got the last laugh, certainly had the crowd laughing.

Agree with the likes of Adam Booth and Johnny Nelson that Fury owned that press conference in Germany, he made it his as he often does, just as he even silenced Haye and you could see Booth sat there giggling his arse off. When he came out with the Klits getting licked line you could see Peter Fury and Henesey dying with laughter but there were some other gems too, the pants line, when I go to sleep I see your ugly mug etc etc. It was Wlad who asked him the question yet when Fury told him to shut up as he's talking and he goes "ok, please" and sits back you can then see Fury get a rise out of him when he says I'm going to smash your face in, he reacts to that in his face and tries to move back to the mic again but Tyson doesn't let him speak, just rolls over him, but this doesn't mean he will win.

Doubt there'll ever be a Prince Naz in boxing who had the whole package but on talking Tyson has some of that excitement, people want to tune in to his interviews and conferences just as much, just really hope he wins as it will be great for boxing, to get rid of this bore. Wlad has the experience, better technically and its a home game for him too but Fury made a good point about all the greats were over at his age or on the way down and he's bigger with a longer reach. We shall see, can't wait.
 
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Sure is, shows just how smug Klitchko is. All this patronising game he's playing is boring with the whole "its good, the therapy has started" because he has a degree is sports psychology or whatever, its a boring routine, as dull as his fights often are. Claiming that he's going to make him a better person etc. He's very diplomatic most of the time in his TV interviews, not trash talking and trying to say the right thing but his smugness and patronising is really coming out here. The way he ordered Tyson around for positioning or camera shot then said please was probably one of the tricks he's learned but I think Tyson got the last laugh, certainly had the crowd laughing.

Agree with the likes of Adam Booth and Johnny Nelson that Fury owned that press conference in Germany, he made it his as he often does, just as he even silenced Haye and you could see Booth sat there giggling his arse off. When he came out with the Klits getting licked line you could see Peter Fury and Henesey dying with laughter but there were some other gems too, the pants line, when I go to sleep I see your ugly mug etc etc. It was Wlad who asked him the question yet when Fury told him to shut up as he's talking and he goes "ok, please" and sits back you can then see Fury get a rise out of him when he says I'm going to smash your face in, he reacts to that in his face and tries to move back to the mic again but Tyson doesn't let him speak, just rolls over him, but this doesn't mean he will win.

Doubt there'll ever be a Prince Naz in boxing who had the whole package but on talking Tyson has some of that excitement, people want to tune in to his interviews and conferences just as much, just really hope he wins as it will be great for boxing, to get rid of this bore. Wlad has the experience, better technically and its a home game for him too but Fury made a good point about all the greats were over at his age or on the way down and he's bigger with a longer reach. We shall see, can't wait.

There's plenty better than Naz....Mayweather creates more of a buzz than Naz did and is a much better boxer. Hamed was very good but then by his last couple of fights he was so unmotivated and once he lost he lost all interest for the sport it seemed. Mayweather out of boxing may be a cnut (but then Hamed can hardly take a moral high ground) but he creates far more hype than Hamed ever did. There's others I'd argue people like Hopkins are much better at it than Hamed as well.

I don't particularly disagree with the rest of your post, however all the talk means nothing when the fight comes and Fury goes on to lose. People like Nelson and Booth will be trying to sell the fight which is fair enough but at the end of the day Wlad has had people talk to him like Fury does before and it's never ended well for the opponent.
 
Sure is, shows just how smug Klitchko is. All this patronising game he's playing is boring with the whole "its good, the therapy has started" because he has a degree is sports psychology or whatever, its a boring routine, as dull as his fights often are. Claiming that he's going to make him a better person etc. He's very diplomatic most of the time in his TV interviews, not trash talking and trying to say the right thing but his smugness and patronising is really coming out here. The way he ordered Tyson around for positioning or camera shot then said please was probably one of the tricks he's learned but I think Tyson got the last laugh, certainly had the crowd laughing.

Agree with the likes of Adam Booth and Johnny Nelson that Fury owned that press conference in Germany, he made it his as he often does, just as he even silenced Haye and you could see Booth sat there giggling his arse off. When he came out with the Klits getting licked line you could see Peter Fury and Henesey dying with laughter but there were some other gems too, the pants line, when I go to sleep I see your ugly mug etc etc. It was Wlad who asked him the question yet when Fury told him to shut up as he's talking and he goes "ok, please" and sits back you can then see Fury get a rise out of him when he says I'm going to smash your face in, he reacts to that in his face and tries to move back to the mic again but Tyson doesn't let him speak, just rolls over him, but this doesn't mean he will win.

Doubt there'll ever be a Prince Naz in boxing who had the whole package but on talking Tyson has some of that excitement, people want to tune in to his interviews and conferences just as much, just really hope he wins as it will be great for boxing, to get rid of this bore. Wlad has the experience, better technically and its a home game for him too but Fury made a good point about all the greats were over at his age or on the way down and he's bigger with a longer reach. We shall see, can't wait.

I don´t even like Wlad and he has shown signs of decline. I also don´t mind a good talker. I just think Tyson is a bum, which makes all his trashtalk ridiculous. He has fought one legit fighter in his whole career, an underpowered cruiserweight and was put on his arse.
 
There's plenty better than Naz....Mayweather creates more of a buzz than Naz did and is a much better boxer.

Nah, I'm in England and Mayweather fights don't generate anywhere near excitment and talk as Nazeems did. He may go down as one of the best 'boxers' ever and successfull in PPV numbers but chucking money at the screen is not coming to the ring on a magic carpet and flipping over the top. The press conferences and overall package from Naz was better to watch and leaves a bigger mark. Same with Fury (on the press conferences and talk only), he creates big interest and makes it fun. Nazeem was more tongue in cheek and often had a smile with his comments though and obviously Fury doesn't have the agility, footspeed, technique or power above his station that Prince Naseem did.

Mayweather promised to fight in England after his jaw dropped at 25,000 Hatton fans in his back yard but he never did, then again he promised Twitter to fight who they picked (Khan or Maidana) and never did. Prince Naz owned USA and England, wherever he went. In fact one of my fav clips of him is the yanks waiting for him to come out for 10 minutes to a waiting Kevin Kelly whilst his shadow dances on a screen. Kelly is going mental pacing around the ring and you can hear George Forman, Larry and co giggling their tits off. Floyd top boxer, big sales but he's never done any of that, as I said overall package. David Haye created a big buzz and drama for boxing, Tyson seems to be the best around at the minute for it.



I don't particularly disagree with the rest of your post, however all the talk means nothing when the fight comes and Fury goes on to lose. People like Nelson and Booth will be trying to sell the fight which is fair enough but at the end of the day Wlad has had people talk to him like Fury does before and it's never ended well for the opponent.

Yep and as said in my post "doesn't mean Fury will win just because he owned Wlad in his own presser in Germany" if you re-read mate. Don't get how Booth would be trying to sell a Fury fight, what involvement does he have in it? Also is the fight even on Sky? Even if it is, Johnny Nelson wasn't talking on his show, he was talking to Kugan Cassius on IFL youtube channel, it seemed his genuine view, not promo, that Tyson lead the way in the press conference. I agree.
 
Nah, I'm in England and Mayweather fights don't generate anywhere near excitment and talk as Nazeems did. He may go down as one of the best 'boxers' ever and successfull in PPV numbers but chucking money at the screen is not coming to the ring on a magic carpet and flipping over the top. The press conferences and overall package from Naz was better to watch and leaves a bigger mark. Same with Fury (on the press conferences and talk only), he creates big interest and makes it fun. Nazeem was more tongue in cheek and often had a smile with his comments though and obviously Fury doesn't have the agility, footspeed, technique or power above his station that Prince Naseem did.

Mayweather promised to fight in England after his jaw dropped at 25,000 Hatton fans in his back yard but he never did, then again he promised Twitter to fight who they picked (Khan or Maidana) and never did. Prince Naz owned USA and England, wherever he went. In fact one of my fav clips of him is the yanks waiting for him to come out for 10 minutes to a waiting Kevin Kelly whilst his shadow dances on a screen. Kelly is going mental pacing around the ring and you can hear George Forman, Larry and co giggling their tits off. Floyd top boxer, big sales but he's never done any of that, as I said overall package. David Haye created a big buzz and drama for boxing, Tyson seems to be the best around at the minute for it.





Yep and as said in my post "doesn't mean Fury will win just because he owned Wlad in his own presser in Germany" if you re-read mate. Don't get how Booth would be trying to sell a Fury fight, what involvement does he have in it? Also is the fight even on Sky? Even if it is, Johnny Nelson wasn't talking on his show, he was talking to Kugan Cassius on IFL youtube channel, it seemed his genuine view, not promo, that Tyson lead the way in the press conference. I agree.



I'm in England as well mate, the reality is that England is insignificant for fights for US boxers. What is the logic in Mayweather coming fighting over here for example? He makes $100million+ a fight in America and gets record PPV numbers every fight. Look at all the big UK Boxers, most of them their biggest fights were in America. Hamed vs Barrera, Hatton vs Mayweather, Calzaghe vs Hopkins or Roy Jones Jr, Lewis vs Tyson...the list goes on. Stuff like this is subjective and in the grand schemes of ranking boxers is pretty insignificant, although I did like Hamed and his showman ship I'd still argue Mayweather is better than him in most them aspects. Even if you don't like the artists he's had some of the biggest names in music walk (and rap) him to the ring. It's all a big show and he does live up to hit. For what it's worth some people hated Hamed's entrances and saw them as unprofessional.


For what it's worth Hamed was accused of the same stuff as Mayweather as well...ducking opponents (although I'd argue Mayweather has actually fought the best in his divison, Nas did once...and lost.) There's no way people can say Mayweather hasn't had that buzz, he has 4 of the 10 top PPV buys in America, that's ridiculous. People call him a boring boxer so he must sell them fights somehow?

Nelson will be promoting the fight on the chance it's on Sky, no TV Deal has been announced yet as there's a few bidding for it. Most people with any interest in boxing will try and sell a fight, it's common sense to promote something you're involved in. Directly or indirectly they'e both affected by it.
 
Have to say its interesting someone brings up Mayweather in Klitchko talk, both are boring as F. Although Floyds tash talk, albeit often nasty, is still more preferable to Wlads patronising doctor routine and pretending to be nice guy. If Wladamir was fighting someone else I wouldn't be watching I don't think, Fury though especially, certainty to watch it, its already worth it now just for the press conferences and comments and they aren't even in England doing it yet.
 
Have to say its interesting someone brings up Mayweather in Klitchko talk, both are boring as F. Although Floyds tash talk, albeit often nasty, is still more preferable to Wlads patronising doctor routine and pretending to be nice guy. If Wladamir was fighting someone else I wouldn't be watching I don't think, Fury though especially, certainty to watch it, its already worth it now just for the press conferences and comments and they aren't even in England doing it yet.

Would many people be watching if Fury was fighting someone else though? He's fought on BoxNation but he's hardly a "box office" name. He rarely fights in big arenas (he's from Manchester and never fought at the M.E.N!!) Wlad is the far bigger name and sells this fight far more than Fury does. Don't get me wrong, fury is a decent talker, although I find him hugely cringing he can sell a fight, but Wlad is the box office name here. I agree he's boring to watch but mainly due to his dominance....it's not his fault no one is good enough to beat him, Id do the same as him if I was that good, getting 20mil a fight to easily beat people and never get hurt himself.

I'm not trying to convince people to dislike Fury here either. If people like him fair enough, I can see why people do as he has one of them personalities of love him or hate him (like most personalities) just not a fan myself and don't particularly by the hype he's created for himself.
 
Would many people be watching if Fury was fighting someone else though? He's fought on BoxNation but he's hardly a "box office" name. He rarely fights in big arenas (he's from Manchester and never fought at the M.E.N!!)

Perspective. Klitschko is 39, Tyson Fury is just 26, he may be huge and look older but that's all he is, about Joshuas age!!! When Wlad was about 27 he was getting knocked out in some arena in Germany to Corrie Sanders and again later to Brewster. Not fighting the guy who held all the belts in a 50,000 stadium abroad having fought at the O2 in London before. And one of his fights was meant to be at the MEN so again, fail. And lets not forget, had David Haye not gotten injured that was a stadium fight seller too. But again, you miss the point, like Floyd v Hamed that you're trying to kick off, I don't care about the PPV or ticket numbers, its about the whole package, press, comments, ring entrances, boxing in the ring etc as well as the stadiums or titles they fight for. Wlad is boring, Mayweather too me is boring, both in and out the ring certainly for Klitschko, that is what I was on about first post, not how many muppets by it on tv. Westlife and Boyzone sold massive units, means F all to me mate. Last fight I paid for was Khan v Prescott in MEN, look how that turned out, never paying for tv again.

Wlad is the far bigger name and sells this fight far more than Fury does. Don't get me wrong, fury is a decent talker, although I find him hugely cringing he can sell a fight, but Wlad is the box office name here.

Sure, he's the long time champ with all the belts, but on excitment/buzz, Fury is clearly ahead as seen in the presser reactions, this again is the point!!!! Tyson is still just getting started, he may well lose and may not win all the belts but at this stage, similar ages he is ahead IMO as stated above.

I agree he's boring to watch but mainly due to his dominance....it's not his fault no one is good enough to beat him, Id do the same as him if I was that good, getting 20mil a fight to easily beat people and never get hurt himself.

He's been beating 3 times so someone was obviously good enough to beat him, lol.

I'm not trying to convince people to dislike Fury here either. If people like him fair enough, I can see why people do as he has one of them personalities of love him or hate him (like most personalities) just not a fan myself and don't particularly by the hype he's created for himself.

Yeah, can see why many would hate Fury, Hamed or Mayweather over Wlad but there the dull ones who forget the best days of boxing involved Eubank, Hamed, Mike Tyson and the crazy drama like Lewis rolling about with boxers. They're the kind of people who get steamed up when they hear fans booing a football team or boxers national anthem and need to get a grip, not watch paint dry. If none of those moments existed or we didn't have Haye or Fury etc now then I'd rather take Mayweathers crap over what Klitschko comes out with, that's how bad he is. Boring inside, boring outside the ring, robotic is a good term. Joshua is for better in the ring than Fury to watch but like Hearne says, he's had media training from the olympics and not really like that, so very Wlad like, diplomatic but without the patronising. Fury is making boxing interesting, weather he turns out to be any good or not. We'll see.
 
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GGG vs Lemieux at Madison Square Garden, October 17th.

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