Y'all gonna see. Tyson Fury will shock the world and win a UD in Germany, fighting as a southpaw.
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Tyson won't be an easy target for a grappling matchShould be good.
I'd hope not. I'm sceptical about any Wlad fight though. It works for him and he's got himself a brilliant career out of what he does but he is just so dull to watch. He nullifies any opponent he faces and just wears them down to the point where theyre miles behind of a scorecard and aren't capable of catching up anymore. It's a good tactic but not good to watch. I'd imagine the problem with actually facing him is the potential for a knockout...64 wins with 53 of them being KOs is a very good record and it would make you wary of facing him and reluctant to let go in a fight and actual try and hit him, it's happened before and to much better fighters than Fury.
I hope it is a good fight like you say but I just can't see it.
I doubt Mayweather will lose any sleep over that. At this stage of his careers belts mean nothing, he's marketable without that title (I'd argue the belts need him more than he needs the belts really)....I think he'd rather have the 200k than the belt.
It can go either way. If it goes bad, it will be terrible. If it's good, it will be very good. Everyone expected Tyson to have a rough time in the Chisora rematch, but he stepped it up big time and won pretty much every round. If he makes that sort of jump again (and he will have to), with Wlad approaching 40, he may have a chance. I'd not bet on it, of course, but I'm not ruling him out just yet.
Yeah agree with all that mate. Fury is better than most the fighters Wlad has fought in the last few years (possibly the only ones I'd say are better are Povetkin and Haye.) I just think the only way the heavyweight division will get more competitive is when Klitschko retires. It's no insult to Wlad...fair enough he's at a level above everyone else but it kind of does kill the division. I hope it's a close fight and it may well be, just history suggest unfortunately it won't be.
Nice pay day for Whyte. Obviously they can build it up with all the amateur background but can't see anything but a Joshua win here. I wouldn't be surprised if Hearn tried flogging this on Box Office as a main event fight, it would be half decent with a stacked undercard in fairness.
The animosity between them might make for entertaining viewing, but like you, I can't see Hearn putting AJ in a ring with a boxer he can't beat right now. I've not seen Whyte fight, though.
Cool interview with Kovalev.
Thurman Collazo on ESPN (Sky channel 426) tonight.
Carl Froch retires and joins sky, kind of expected it, but would have loved to have seen him and GGG have a scrap, fair fecks to him him went out on top after beating groves in front of 80,000 People at Wembley.
When did this happen? I must have missed it, Carl should have said something about it.
No, great fighter though. What I respect most about him is that he never shied away from any fights, he fought the toughest in his division and was only ever outclassed by one fighter -- Ward. Kessler too, but winning the rematch gave him redemption.
Despite dragging out his retirement for what seems like a lifetime he's had a great career. Deserves to retire on his own terms and has always been entertaining to watch. Hopefully joining Sky means the eventual departure of Jim Watt. Carl is actually a good pundit as well when he's not talking about himself. It makes boxing more interesting when someone who has fought in the last 10-20 years is commentating on it....I am dreading any time they show DeGale or Groves though them 2 and they "call out" the retired Carl Froch. Be like Bellew calling out Glenn McCrory after his fights.
Word on the street is that it's Floyd-Berto on free TV. Surely not...
Floyd picking Berto is just so underwhelming, guy is so average. People would still buy the PPV, so free TV is a surprise, but yeah, just not a fight I'm excited by (and I've always loved watching Mayweather's fights).
There is no interesting fights left for Floyd it will be underwhelming regardless of who he chooses.
I would be interested to see him fight Golokin or Thurman.
Floyd Snr says he is only taking easy fights for his last couple. A fight against Berto would be a total joke though.
Maybe Thurman. But Floyd struggles to get to 150 on fight night him fighting a natural middleweight in Golovkin probably won't happen. There could be a possible 30 pound difference on fight night.
I remember reading that Golovkin only re-hydrated to 165lbs for one of his fights which is what Maidana weighed on fight night against Floyd. Floyd usually comes in at 150lbs, it is certainly a challenge that you would expect the self proclaimed GOAT to take on. Remember that Ray Robinson gave up 16 pounds on the scales alone to fight Joey Maxim, Maxim was the lineal Light Heavyweight champions back then so the undisputed champion at 161 - 175, only one title and no Super Middleweights in those days.
I also think that Floyd - Cotto for the lineal Middleweight crown would be interesting. If Floyd took that fight and won then he really would have to duck Golovkin.
Golovkin is a bit of an unfair fight to expect Floyd to take...I've even seen people say he's ducking him. They're in a completely different weight class. Be like saying Floyd is ducking Klitschko, the fight will never happen and it's no ones fault really, Golovkin is just to big.
I'd suggest someone like Thurman avoid talking bout Mayweather really. He was hugely underwhelming against Collazo and someone like Mayweather would probably win close to every round against him. It's weird with Mayweather as people say he "ducks" fighters but then they want him fighting the up and comers like Thurman. He fought Maidana when he was talked up and he's not fought since, he fought Ortiz when he was talked up and a promising fighter and he's been a joke since and the same applies to Guerrero. In fairness Canelo came out of a Mayweather fight alright but his record was a lot better than Thurman's. Except for a decent payday I can't see the benefit of Thurman fighting Mayweather really, he'd be better off fighting the class below him and waiting til he retires as he has potential to take the "Mayweather spot."
The Berto fight is a bit of a joke but it's a free fight and knowing what Mayweather has been like in the past I'd suggest the fight will draw in a lot of viewers and he'll "retire" on the back of it for a few months, come back for 1 huge pay day on PPV and get 50-0 before retiring for good, his last fight possibly a rematch vs. Pacquiao and they talk up the injury he had before Mayweather basically does the same to him again. Other possibilities are Khan or Thurman I suppose or maybe even Brook (dependent on how any of them are doing by May next year when Mayweather always fights.)
A completely different weight class? Floyd has boxed at light middleweight a few times and Golovkin said that he would meet him there. In old money they are one weight class apart. It isn't as great as you make out. It is a challenge that the GOAT would take on and that is what Mayweather claims to be. There is no issue with him ducking GGG, just when he does and then claims he is the greatest.
It isn't that Golovkin is too big, it is that he is too good.
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Just looked at Golovkin's most recent fight and he weighed 170 on fight night so it would be 20 more the Floyd would weigh. Which is at least the weight difference that Cotto gave up against Geale on fight night in his MW bout the month earlier. Pacquiao gave up 17lbs against Margarito too so it is toppy in fairness but lets remember that Pacquiao has to bulk up on 5000 calories a day to even get to that disadvantage so Floyd could easily get a lot closer to GGG in weight.
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It's still a bit of a difference though mate. I'd not say Mayweather is ducking him but there is more sensible fighters for him to fight. People throw the term about of "ducking" to often for me, just because a fight doesn't happen doesn't mean it's ducking. Has there ever been a realistic chance of the fight even happening or proper talk of it really? (Similar to May/Pac years ago I mean) I've heard a few interviews where they're both mentioned butn othing concrete. It just seems whoever Mayweather will fight is never good enough for some people. I can see why people don't like him, he fought Pac at the right time but I don't have him as this huge ducker either and wouldn't think he is if he never fought Golovkin.
By your logic I assume you think Golovkin is ducking Ward which is a much more realistic fight for him to take? They can meet in the middle of their weight classes and fight there. If anything out of people "ducking" fighters I'd suggest that's one GGG really doesn't fancy, he's called out Froch at the same weight class but not Ward?
I definitely don't agree with Golovkin being too good, it's opinions though and that's fair enough. If people accuse the likes of Mayweather of fighting nobodies like Berto then what is Golovkin's list? The best fighter he's fought is Martin Murray. Hardly a who's who of world class fighters. I reckon if he was to fight anyone like Mayweather or Ward they'd beat him on points fairly convincingly. I also reckon Canelo has potential to beat him as well.
Totally disagree with you on Golovkin's quality and I do believe he will fight Ward once he earned a bit more money.
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Just looked at Golovkin's most recent fight and he weighed 170 on fight night so it would be 20 more the Floyd would weigh. Which is at least the weight difference that Cotto gave up against Geale on fight night in his MW bout the month earlier. Pacquiao gave up 17lbs against Margarito too so it is toppy in fairness but lets remember that Pacquiao has to bulk up on 5000 calories a day to even get to that disadvantage so Floyd could easily get a lot closer to GGG in weight.
Floyd comes in really tight a the WW limit too, you can see it in his ab muscles he can easily bulk up a little to attain an unremarkable weight difference between the two on fight night.
GGG is not too big for Floyd, he is simply too skilled, to strong and has too much power for Floyd to take that risk. I have no problem with Floyd not fighting him but if he was the 'GOAT' as he claims he would want to lap up that challenge.
GGG makes no such claims to greatness to be in the same league of ducking as Floyd.
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Just looked at Golovkin's most recent fight and he weighed 170 on fight night so it would be 20 more the Floyd would weigh. Which is at least the weight difference that Cotto gave up against Geale on fight night in his MW bout the month earlier. Pacquiao gave up 17lbs against Margarito too so it is toppy in fairness but lets remember that Pacquiao has to bulk up on 5000 calories a day to even get to that disadvantage so Floyd could easily get a lot closer to GGG in weight.
Floyd comes in really tight a the WW limit too, you can see it in his ab muscles he can easily bulk up a little to attain an unremarkable weight difference between the two on fight night.
GGG is not too big for Floyd, he is simply too skilled, to strong and has too much power for Floyd to take that risk. I have no problem with Floyd not fighting him but if he was the 'GOAT' as he claims he would want to lap up that challenge.
GGG makes no such claims to greatness to be in the same league of ducking as Floyd.
Golovkin's problem for me is who he's fought. It's all well and good being talked up as this beast but he's largely fought nobodies. I don't really buy this "no one wants to fight him" stuff either in all honesty that people talk about sometimes, there's been far better fighters than him who top fighters have fought in the past. He was willing to fight Chavez Jr and even Froch at a catch weight but there's never talk of Ward, just seems odd to me. His biggest realistic pay day would be a fight with someone of Ward's quality but he doesn't seem to entertain the thought.
In fairness Geale and Margarito are hardly formidable opponents in the class of Mayweather etc, also watching the Geale fight the amount of weight he had to drop made the whole fight a bit of a shambles as he was fecked after round one.
I don't think it's fair to say he's to skilled at all, Mayweather has fought far more skilled fighters, he'd probably be the hardest puncher he has fought but then Mayweather rarely gets hit. I think it's a bit unfair to judge Mayweather's whole career on hyperbolic statements he makes, his record speaks for itself. I don't think hes' the greatest of all time, but he's got a case to be the greatest of his generation.
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You are essentially acknowledging that it isn't Golovkin's size that makes Floyd not interested in the fight. It is that GGG is too talented in terms of ability, power and strength. He has too many attributes. Floyd would take a fight against a guy his size if he wasn't as talented.
I agree with your assessment of Floyd's all time standing. Definitely the best of his generation.
You are essentially acknowledging that it isn't Golovkin's size that makes Floyd not interested in the fight. It is that GGG is too talented in terms of ability, power and strength. He has too many attributes. Floyd would take a fight against a guy his size if he wasn't as talented.
I agree with your assessment of Floyd's all time standing. Definitely the best of his generation.
If he could he probably would have done it by now. The most he has ever weighed for a fight is 151 even when he was fighting at 154. Plus there is always the chance of bulking up too much and losing quickness and reflexes(see Roy Jones).
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Obviously he wouldn't take the GGG fight. Brook and Thurman are easy fights for Floyd - he always makes mince meat of boxer-punchers who rely on their power. Khan's speed could make that interesting. I think Floyd's biggest test at 147 would be Bradley, who if given the right gameplan (swarm the motherfecker!), could cause Floyd problems.
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Good night of boxing ahead tomorrow lads:
ITV - 9:45pm, live from Texas USA.
Carl Frampton vs Alejandro Gonzalez Jr - IBF Super Bantamweight title
Sky - 7pm
Scott Quigg vs Kiko Martinez - WBA Super Bantamweight title
Darleys Perez vs Anthony Crolla - WBA lightweight title
Sam Eggington vs Glenn Foot - British & Commonwealth titles
Martin Murray featuring in another tune up fight too.
Also here's a decent interview with Paul Smith. Ignore Kugan.
ITV - 9:45pm, live from Texas USA.
Carl Frampton vs Alejandro Gonzalez Jr - IBF Super Bantamweight title
Sky - 7pm
Scott Quigg vs Kiko Martinez - WBA Super Bantamweight title
Darleys Perez vs Anthony Crolla - WBA lightweight title
Sam Eggington vs Glenn Foot - British & Commonwealth titles
Martin Murray featuring in another tune up fight too.
Also here's a decent interview with Paul Smith. Ignore Kugan.
Really hope Crolla can do it. Would be a massive boost to the guy. Can't say I know much about Perez though, what are Crolla's chances?
They are showing an amazing Anthony Crolla documentary on MUTV at the moment, and Sky are also showing it too. Sporting Reds: Anthony Crolla, I really enjoyed it and he came across as a really nice, down to earth lad. And of course, he absolutely loves United! After what he has been through recently, I hope he wins. I don't know much about Perez either, so can't help there.
His only loss is to former P4P top 10 ranked Yuriokis Gamboa. That was a UD by a 5 round margin on 2 scorecards. He's a fairly flat footed fighter but quite agile body mover and has good punching power - 20 kos from 32 wins.
The hope is that Crolla has caught this guy at the right time but all logic suggests, with Crolla's momentum lost following the injury and no tune up fight, he's going to need something special.
Crolla has already been stopped twice and lost 4 times in total with 2 draws by the way.
They are showing an amazing Anthony Crolla documentary on MUTV at the moment, and Sky are also showing it too. Sporting Reds: Anthony Crolla, I really enjoyed it and he came across as a really nice, down to earth lad. And of course, he absolutely loves United! After what he has been through recently, I hope he wins. I don't know much about Perez either, so can't help there.
Had no idea he was a United fan. Extra reason to cheer him on tomorrow. Hopefully us not knowing him is a good thing.
Oh.
Doesn't sound too promising to be honest from that, still I'll be cheering him on. You fancy Perez to win then?
If I was putting money on it, I'd back Perez by late stoppage with a right hand at some point yeah. There seems just too much against Crolla given the events of the past year, derailed momentum and no tune up fight. However, the odds were stacked against Ricky Hatton 10 years ago against Kosta Tszyu and he rallied with the home crowd to pull off the upset. And Perez is no Kosta Tszyu.
Well fingers crossed then let's hope he can produce a shock result, cheers for the info.